Urban Meyer knew of domestic abuse in 2015

[staygoldponyboy]

Meyer's record at Ohio State
2012 Ohio State 12–0 8–0 1st ‡ ‡ 3
2013 Ohio State 12–2 8–0 1st L Orange† 10 12
2014 Ohio State 14–1 8–0 1st W Sugar†, W CFP NCG† 1 1
2015 Ohio State 12–1 7–1 T–1st W Fiesta† 4 4
2016 Ohio State 11–2 8–1 T–1st L Fiesta† 6 6
2017 Ohio State 12–2 8–1 1st W Cotton† 5 5

 

[grayhair81]

Greg Schiano!!! Didn't he get run outta Knoxville before he ever stepped on campus. That's it fire a coach for covering up spousel abuse and replace him with a guy who covered up for a pedophile. Big problems in Columbus

The Schiano allegations are BS. A coach said another coach told him Schiano told him he saw something. It was at best third-hand information Schiano denies ever happened and there is zero proof it ever did. The feds investigated nearly everyone who was around PSU in those years and they never mentioned Schiano as having any culpability. The rumor got dredged up again by Clay Travis because he wouldn't settle for anyone other than Gruden as coach at UT.
Schiano did an amazing job at Rutgers, was loved by his players and respected within the coaching fraternity. I would take him in a heartbeat if KF retired.

 

[millah_22]

He covered for the most replaceable coach. Now he’s on leave with an investigation. If it’s enough evidence to put him on leave, it’s enough to fire him.

 

[Douglas C. Neidermeyer]

per cbssports.com:

"Meyer said he was aware of a domestic violence incident involving Zach Smith in 2009 when the latter was an assistant at Florida....Zach was ultimately not charged in the incident, though per Courtney, two of Meyer's closest friends -- Hiram de Fries, who is Meyer's "life coach", and former Ohio State coach Earle Bruce -- asked her to drop charges of aggravated battery of a pregnant victim. The influences of those voices on Meyer are key components to that allegation. Bruce, who passed away in April, was not only an Ohio State great, but Zach's grandfather and a close mentor of Meyer's. "


Zach Smith was Earle Bruce's grandson. Earle Bruce, former ISU head coach. Just sayin'......................

 

[PinchotPenthouse]

What more do you think Ferentz should have done? The players were booted from the team,
and he reported what he knew to his superiors. Anything more would be beyond his responsibility and would have jeopardized the victim’s anonymity.

What more do you think Ferentz should have done? The players were booted from the team,
and he reported what he knew to his superiors. Anything more would be beyond his responsibility and would have jeopardized the victim’s anonymity.

I suppose there are different rules and expectations depending on who the coach happens to be. You're correct, Ferentz did what he was supposed to do in reporting to his superiors He released the players from the team. He did not want to interfere and jeopardize the victim's anonymity. The truth is, there really aren't many people outside of Iowa alums/fans and college football fans who know or care who Ferentz is. If he were Meyer or Paterno, then the media and public would be frothing at the mouth to have him fired. Evidence and due process be damned. I'm sure you think both of these guys are evil to the core.

Outsiders are the ones who want to blame any wrongdoing by players/coaches on the head coach. But, when it come to their own school/team, they shout down anyone who has a negative word to say about the head coach. If you want to hold others to high standards, then you also need to hold your own up to the same high standards. Otherwise, you're just full of it.

 

[David1979]

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Nice try.

 

[Franisdaman]

This.

If those two weren’t fired after the Nasser info came out and it’s 1,000 times worse, no way UM gets fired. He might resign but highly doubt he is fired for all the “good” he has done at tOSU. (Sarcasm meter blowing up).

Also, if this was a player that did this the first time, not a coach, UM would of boot’d him no questions asked. Amazing how he allowed the coach to stick around, kinda like the Nebraska coach getting three DUI’s and still on staff. I call them, look the other way schools that place winning ahead of all else.

The B1G continues to get black eyes because of employee abuse of children, (both boys and girls) and women.

Penn State, Michigan State, and now Ohio State. When does it end?

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

Schiano...was loved by his players and respected within the coaching fraternity.

I really don't care one way or the other, I'm just curious what your source is for this, because I have pretty much been hearing and reading the exact opposite for 10+ years.

 

[iowanole1]

I am really concerned for Meyer! What if his heart condition comes back?!?! At least he has all those royalties from that amazing and insightful book on leadership and life.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Go listen

You're a card carrying cult member of Curt Ferentz.

Go lick your wounds elsewhere you heroin hillbilly.

 

[grayhair81]

I really don't care one way or the other, I'm just curious what your source is for this, because I have pretty much been hearing and reading the exact opposite for 10+ years.

Try this one for starters

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BRAB&usg=AOvVaw2WTNza9-XdNrbHt8UVqoht&ampcf=1

 

[grayhair81]

I really don't care one way or the other, I'm just curious what your source is for this, because I have pretty much been hearing and reading the exact opposite for 10+ years.

The source of the allegations about Schiano and Sandusky is Mike McQueary-the same 6'5 240 pound coward that testified that he himself saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower and did nothing to stop it. McQueary said during the investigation that another coach had told him that Schiano had told him . . . But SOMEBODY said it so it must be true.

 

[Cougar63]

JoePa knew

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

i wonder what Tim Tebow makes of all this?

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

You're the mofo from Ioway. Stupid effin' meth head.

Great material troll. So sorry to see you go so soon.

 

[Quintana]

does this mean we're back in the DJ Carton sweepstakes???

 

[hawkfinfan]

As most of Wednesday has been spent speculating on what Urban Meyer did or did not know about his former wide receivers coach Zach Smith, separate reports have further illustrated the abuse Smith’s ex-wife, Courtney Smith, says she endured over the course of their marriage.

According to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, police were involved nine times between Jan. 1, 2012, and July 26, 2018. Those nine calls include the damning 2015 call in which Courtney Smith says she made Shelley Meyer and the rest of the Ohio State’s coaches’ wives aware.

Further calls range from threatening to just plain sad. On Oct. 21, 2015, Courtney Smith called Powell, Ohio, police to say she was being followed by a black SUV and to say she was having issues with her “soon to be ex-husband.” On Jan. 5, 2016, Smith was pulled over for speeding and proceeded to break down in tears, visibly upset over the issues she was having with her husband.

On Dec. 17, 2017, Courtney Smith called police because neighbors reported seeing Zach peering into her car windows and banging on the front door of her home at 1:30 a.m. Zach Smith was issued a trespassing warning after that incident.

Smith’s alleged efforts to intimidate his ex-wife were much more personal than that, however.

The Columbus Dispatch obtained court documents on Wednesday from an affidavit Courtney Smith filed on Dec. 18, 2015, where she said, “Zach has made threats toward me and has become physically violent.” She would go on to say, per the Dispatch:

“The stalking and harassment never stopped. He never followed the shared parenting plan and would tell me he didn’t have to because he knew I couldn’t afford to pay for an attorney.

“He would corner me in my laundry while groping me and pulling his pants down and begging for sex.”

Courtney Smith also said she discovered hidden cameras inside her home, which she said Zach used to spy on her, her children and her boyfriend.

“All the (coaches) wives knew,” Courtney Smith told Brett McMurphy in his bombshell report Wednesday. “They all did. Every single one.”

Smith was fired as Ohio State’s wide receivers coach on July 23.

 

[Btowngold]

If UM's wife so much as wiped a bloody nose or placed a bandaid on on the victim, she can't tell her husband. Since she is considered a healthcare provider, she is bound by HIPPA and can't disclose any PHI without the signed consent of the victim. In absence of any document trail or digital footprint, this is how Meyer survives. His wife will get on board.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

So, Dan McCarney of course was a wife beater. ISU knew when they hired him, and hid the info, correct? Or can someone correct me on his timeline.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

Steve Alford is a piece of shit human being.

I'll throw enabler Bob Bowlsby in there as well.

 

[Johnsoda123]

If UM's wife so much as wiped a bloody nose or placed a bandaid on on the victim, she can't tell her husband. Since she is considered a healthcare provider, she is bound by HIPPA and can't disclose any PHI without the signed consent of the victim. In absence of any document trail or digital footprint, this is how Meyer survives. His wife will get on board.

This isn't really very hard to comprehend. Urban Meyer is done at OSU and probably never coaches again.

 

[staygoldponyboy]

If UM's wife so much as wiped a bloody nose or placed a bandaid on on the victim, she can't tell her husband. Since she is considered a healthcare provider, she is bound by HIPPA and can't disclose any PHI without the signed consent of the victim. In absence of any document trail or digital footprint, this is how Meyer survives. His wife will get on board.

He already admitted he knew

 

[Btowngold]

He already admitted he knew

He will be terminated for cause then

 

[Mike Zierath]

If UM's wife so much as wiped a bloody nose or placed a bandaid on on the victim, she can't tell her husband. Since she is considered a healthcare provider, she is bound by HIPPA and can't disclose any PHI without the signed consent of the victim. In absence of any document trail or digital footprint, this is how Meyer survives. His wife will get on board.

SMH, you sir....should refrain from posting...…..

You really think SM wouldn't tell UM that Courtney Smith was being beaten by Zach and that she had treated Courtney because of said abuse?

The world isn't quite as politically correct as everyone thinks it is. Husbands and wives talk...……..

Mike

 

[Btowngold]

SMH, you sir....should refrain from posting...…..

You really think SM wouldn't tell UM that Courtney Smith was being beaten by Zach and that she had treated Courtney because of said abuse?

The world isn't quite as politically correct as everyone thinks it is. Husbands and wives talk...……..

Mike

No, but she can say she didn`t tell him and cite HIPPA

 

[iahawkeyes17]

No, but she can say she didn`t tell him and cite HIPPA

With those texts I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

I don’t see any way UM survives this one. Sounds like the guy that broke the story has more info that’s probably even more damning. He’s probably officially out by Monday I’d guess.

 

[dciowa]

If UM's wife so much as wiped a bloody nose or placed a bandaid on on the victim, she can't tell her husband. Since she is considered a healthcare provider, she is bound by HIPPA and can't disclose any PHI without the signed consent of the victim. In absence of any document trail or digital footprint, this is how Meyer survives. His wife will get on board.

His wife would be a mandatory abuse reporter by law. She should have reported every known incident to the police or she is in trouble too.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

Try this one for starters

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BRAB&usg=AOvVaw2WTNza9-XdNrbHt8UVqoht&ampcf=1

Meh, so the embattled Tenn A.D. heard he was a nice guy.....

That entire article was more of a condemnation of the culture of U of Tenn football and not a ringing endorsement of the character of Greg Schiano.

I really don't need education on the Sandusky situation. I didn't even know he was an assistant there until this went down last year. His reputation had already preceded him well before that.

Although I didn't like the lynch-mob mentality that went on with him at Tenn, I'm not sure all of Hawkeye Nation would welcome him with open arms the way you would.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

His wife would be a mandatory abuse reporter by law. She should have reported every known incident to the police or she is in trouble too.

Dude, mandatory reporter laws are for protecting abused children and vulnerable adults (elderly, disabled, etc). No one is required by law to report an abusive spouse to authorities.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

No, but she can say she didn`t tell him and cite HIPPA

You knucklehead. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

You seriously think that anyone who provides any kind of basic first aid is considered a healthcare worker and is bound by the Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act? (BTW, that's HIPAA, not HIPPA; you'd think you'd know that, considering how much you think you know about it).

I guess everyone out there should carry their own malpractice insurance, just in case this situation happens to them.

I agree with the above guy who said that you need to just stop posting.

 

[SoFla-Hawkeye]

If Missus Urban is a nurse at tOSU Hospitals is she not required to report the violence under Title IX requirements? And if she did report, it would appear tOSU did nothing. And if she didn't report, she is effed.

 

[yiana]

Shit will blow over in a couple weeks. No one will gaf.

 

[Btowngold]

You knucklehead. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

You seriously think that anyone who provides any kind of basic first aid is considered a healthcare worker and is bound by the Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act? (BTW, that's HIPAA, not HIPPA; you'd think you'd know that, considering how much you think you know about it).

I guess everyone out there should carry their own malpractice insurance, just in case this situation happens to them.

I agree with the above guy who said that you need to just stop posting.

she is an RN. Do you not read? Are you really that ignorant that you don`t know what a healthcare provider is? Do you know what phi is?

 

[dciowa]

Dude, mandatory reporter laws are for protecting abused children and vulnerable adults (elderly, disabled, etc). No one is required by law to report an abusive spouse to authorities.

https://family.findlaw.com/domestic-violence/mandatory-reporting-of-domestic-violence.html

 

[Hwk-I-St8]

Yes I believe a PAULA arrest is different than a domestic violence arrest. Proper punishment should be, and was, administered in EACH case.

FIFY

 

[BubsFinn]

I suppose there are different rules and expectations depending on who the coach happens to be. You're correct, Ferentz did what he was supposed to do in reporting to his superiors He released the players from the team. He did not want to interfere and jeopardize the victim's anonymity. The truth is, there really aren't many people outside of Iowa alums/fans and college football fans who know or care who Ferentz is. If he were Meyer or Paterno, then the media and public would be frothing at the mouth to have him fired. Evidence and due process be damned. I'm sure you think both of these guys are evil to the core.

Outsiders are the ones who want to blame any wrongdoing by players/coaches on the head coach. But, when it come to their own school/team, they shout down anyone who has a negative word to say about the head coach. If you want to hold others to high standards, then you also need to hold your own up to the same high standards. Otherwise, you're just full of it.

What the hell are you talking about? No one is suggesting any coach should get fired when his players or assistant coaches do bad things.
It isn't the assistant coach's domestic abuse charges that have Urban in trouble. It's the fact that he probably knew about it and said he didn't. That has huge ramifications beyond the field. It is a potential Title IX violation.
No one accused Paterno of fondling boys in the shower, but the fact that he knew about it and turned a blind eye to it, destroyed him. Do you seriously not see the difference? Believe me, if it came out that Ferentz was aware of anything like this and did nothing about it, the Hawkeye fanbase would be the first to demand is dismissal.
As for if I believe Meyer and Paterno are evil to the core? No, probably not, but they did put the public image of their football program above the wellbeing of innocent victims. If this is all true about Meyer, and we don't know for sure if it is, then he and Paterno chose to ignore, or potentially actively cover-up, wrongdoing within the program that if made public would damage its image. Is that evil? Maybe, maybe not, but it is corrupt.

 

[BubsFinn]

If UM's wife so much as wiped a bloody nose or placed a bandaid on on the victim, she can't tell her husband. Since she is considered a healthcare provider, she is bound by HIPPA and can't disclose any PHI without the signed consent of the victim. In absence of any document trail or digital footprint, this is how Meyer survives. His wife will get on board.

The victim texted Shelley Meyer. She sent her pictures of the abuse. Shelley texted back that she should tell Urban and the victim agreed to it. There is a lengthy series of texts that prove the victim wanted Urban to know about it, and that Urban did know about it. There's your digital footprint.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Jim Tressel - players trading memorabilia - lied about it - terminated

Bruce Pearl - recruit attends picnic at his house - lied about it - terminated

Urban Meyer - knows about one his coaches and spouse abuse - lies about it - ?

The first two examples are nothing burgers, but the coach ended up getting fired because of the lies. It sounds like it has been proven that UM knew about the abuse, but retained the coach anyway. Then, he lied about it.

If OSU can fire Jim Tressel for lying to protect his players for something harmless, then will certainly fire UM for this.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

she is an RN. Do you not read? Are you really that ignorant that you don`t know what a healthcare provider is? Do you know what phi is?

A nurse who gives someone a bandaid on the street doesn't create a provider-patient relationship. Did she keep medical records? Did the victim sign proper forms? Yes, I know what Protected Health Information is. You obviously didn't even know what HIPAA stood for. There is absolutely no way the victim or any entity could reprimand the good samaritan.

That's a funny story, though. Telling her to cite HIPAA sounds like something Ted Kennedy would have come up with.