Urban Meyer
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Brian Ferentz purportedly on a Greyhound bus between Iowa City and Columbus.
Next you'll be telling me Iowa beat an Urban Meyer-coached team by 31 points lol, as if..........
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You are half right for now but i am sure he will get the axe soon
Odd, where are all the "no politics on this board" purists? This was posted on Tuesday and no one has said shit.
I guess the football board is a Safe Zone for Trumptards. Interesting.
Weren't you one of the ones bitching about no politics on this board last week?
Lol. Morons and hypocrites.
Lol I had to look that one up.
While it's true I think Trump is a joke, I was more poking fun at the people losing their poop last week when I made a negative Trump reference since this board is supposedly free of politics.
I found this comment on an OSU board. Thoughts?
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Here is the best comment I read today on this...
Sometimes opinions and personal agendas get in the way of fact. Let's just stick with what we know as fact. Tell me what I am missing here using nothing but "fact." By the way, I am not here to defend Meyer but far too often now days people jump to conclusions to drive an agenda without any fact.
In 2009 Smith was charged with DV and Meyer admitted to knowing about that. Charges were later dropped and the couple remained married several more years.
In 2015 Police were called to Smith's house for "suspicion of domestic violence and felonious assault." That said, to my knowledge no charges were ever pressed. Smith was never arrested. The couple divorced in 2016 (a year later).
This year (2018) Smith was arrested for "misdemeanor charge of criminal trespassing." Smith was then fired by Meyer.
There are text messages between Shelly Meyer and Smith's wife in 2015. Those exchanges talk about Courtney accusing Zach of domestic abuse without using those exact words. There is no record of Zach being arrested in 2015 or Courtney pressing any charges. We only know of the text exchanges and now a Police report showing they were called to the scene.
So, with all that said, we know Meyer knew about 2009 and fired Zach in 2018 for his second arrest. In 2015 what is Meyer being accused of exactly? Having a conversation with his wife who spoke to the wife of his assistant in the middle of a he said she said incident? How do you prove he knew the Police were called if there was no arrest? How do you define and "incident?" Is an incident having a conversation with your wife about a couple you know is having problems? That seems a little loose to me. I would call an incident knowing he was arrested again and doing nothing. Two very different topics. What am I missing here?
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what is he missing here?
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Here is the best comment I read today on this...
Sometimes opinions and personal agendas get in the way of fact. Let's just stick with what we know as fact. Tell me what I am missing here using nothing but "fact." By the way, I am not here to defend Meyer but far too often now days people jump to conclusions to drive an agenda without any fact.
In 2009 Smith was charged with DV and Meyer admitted to knowing about that. Charges were later dropped and the couple remained married several more years.
In 2015 Police were called to Smith's house for "suspicion of domestic violence and felonious assault." That said, to my knowledge no charges were ever pressed. Smith was never arrested. The couple divorced in 2016 (a year later).
This year (2018) Smith was arrested for "misdemeanor charge of criminal trespassing." Smith was then fired by Meyer.
There are text messages between Shelly Meyer and Smith's wife in 2015. Those exchanges talk about Courtney accusing Zach of domestic abuse without using those exact words. There is no record of Zach being arrested in 2015 or Courtney pressing any charges. We only know of the text exchanges and now a Police report showing they were called to the scene.
So, with all that said, we know Meyer knew about 2009 and fired Zach in 2018 for his second arrest. In 2015 what is Meyer being accused of exactly? Having a conversation with his wife who spoke to the wife of his assistant in the middle of a he said she said incident? How do you prove he knew the Police were called if there was no arrest? How do you define and "incident?" Is an incident having a conversation with your wife about a couple you know is having problems? That seems a little loose to me. I would call an incident knowing he was arrested again and doing nothing. Two very different topics. What am I missing here?
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what is he missing here?
I was listening to my ESPN affiliate radio program last night hoping to hear about some NFL news and they kept talking about the freaking anthem protests again. As a sports fan I don't care about their contracts or what their views on world issues are. I watch sports to escape that stuff. ESPN used to show highlights and talk about trades, or coaching performances on the field. Yesterday sports talk was centered on domestic assault, players uniting to protest police brutality and how much max players were going to get next year.
I already know domestic assault is awful, I suspect most listeners do as well. I don't need ESPN personalities discussing for hours how despicable the action is. Dr. Phil is still on the air for that audience.
We live in the #metoo era, It's the start of August. Urban Meyer and Ohio State are big brands, people love drama. Guilty until innocent is the moniker for any man when it comes to women accusing them of any misconduct. In my opinion the fact that Dantonio was not put on paid leave after that mess is now an even bigger mystery. Ohio State is bending to the media's pressure. Unless there is actual evidence Urban did anything wrong I don't buy this crap. What we have is a woman claiming Urban knew what was happening.
I am skeptical because she is appearing on television getting her 15 minutes because she named a big name. Until Urbans name came into this there was little mention. Now it is dominating mainstream media.
I think domestic assault is a major issue, don't get me wrong. I am merely skeptical of the timing. When it first came out that Smith was let go for domestic assault there was a tiny bit of chatter. When it came out Urban Meyer at Ohio State may have known about it then the story blew up. The woman is now being lauded as a hero for her courage to take on such a big presence. Why not get out of the marriage right after it happened? Why call her courageous only after Urban Meyer's name came into the story?
Are we more interested in the action or the names involved? Nobody is talking about the guy who committed the crime. They are all discussing how wrong Urban Meyer was. I'm sorry, I didn't know Urban Meyer was responsible for another couples issues. I wonder how many bosses interfere in their employees personal affairs.
I guess he was enabling it by not firing him sooner or beating the justice out of him. He must have seen it happen and done nothing to stop it right? No, the only claim against him is that he might have heard about it through his wife.
But then, look at Jerry Sandusky & Joe Pa.
I think there is a tendency to keep the victim(s) out of the limelight (I'm OK with that) After all, haven't they already gone through enough?
The assistant coach will be judged by the media to be guilty until proven innocent. Gets more clicks that way, right?
Next in line is always the one who has more to lose (the bigger story), the guy that should have know better.
It seams like there was enough smoke and previous history around this perpetrator, that a high quality program, AD and Head Coach believed to be among the best in the country, that has first pick of assistants with clean backgrounds that will never need a 2nd chance or have to plea for his University to wait until he's proven guilty.
Urban knew better, and looked the other way.
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The Sandusky thing has numerous witnesses, it included children. This has no witnesses or any claim outside of the woman that he did know anything. The woman in question can only say she spoke to Urbans wife. There are no texts or testimony nailing Urban to anything.
This dispute was between two adults, Urban has never been accused of trying to keep this quiet. This was an issue between a man and a woman, neither was Urban Meyer. If Urban or his wife later come out and admit this then I will agree with you. Until there is tangible evidence I will not condemn him.
Again the woman claims she spoke to his wife, she doesn't even know for sure that he was told. If Urban knew for sure, saw it or had the man admit to it then there is fire. Until any of this has been confirmed I don't see where he did anything wrong. We need to be patient and see where this goes.
We are on the same
There are text messages between the woman and Meyer's wife. Pictures. One of marks around her neck....where the guy picked her up by the neck. In another post you say the woman is looking for her 15 minutes of fame, she wants to be a star. She is a victim and you are an enabler.
So Urban knew because of his wife's alleged text messages? I would like to see this evidence that you saw. I have not seen anything, so please link it for me. I am not doubting that abuse occured, I put that 100% on Zach Smith. If these text messages are confirmed to show Urban Meyer knew and lied then I want him to be held accountable. Pictures that abuse happened only prove the abuse did happen. Verified text messages of the wives has been authenticated correct?
A person can both be a victim of a crime and also a person looking for fame for it. All of these women that are involved in the #metoo movement stayed silent for decades. You calling me an enabler because I refuse to condemn a man without evidence is silly. I have not seen or heard anything that points to Urban trying to keep this quiet or enable this woman to be abused.
If somebody can go under oath or present such evidence I will change my stance. Show me the evidence and I will grab my pitchfork with the rest of you. Until then I will not give into this mob mentality because the media tells me to. Judging somebody without letting due process take it's course is irresponsible. Lumping somebody in with a abuser without evidence is unfair. Don't give me this hunch crap either, you need evidence or an admittance of guilt. I have not declared Urban innocent, I have only chosen to withhold my judgment until sufficient evidence has been presented. I would hope all of us would do the same.
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Well this just came out, so it wasn't available to read before. He said he has always reported events up to conduct. Come on Urban, if you knew in 2015, you needed to take care of this crap then.
Urban’s a liar. Sounds like he only came clean b/c Smith’s interview clearly caught him in that lie and the pictures and texts just show that there was evidence of it that refute what Zach told him. Didn’t fire the guy until the third and (hopefully) final incident.
This is wild. How could he work next to a guy knowing he was a domestic abuser? I couldn’t live with that.
This is wild. How could he work next to a guy knowing he was a domestic abuser? I couldn’t live with that.
Believe me, I understand what you're saying. Sports are an escape from every day life, or at least they're supposed to be.
I do, however, also see the side of using that platform to reach a wide audience. I think it can become a slippery slope, though, and go too far. I don't know where the line should be drawn.
It is what it is. People like feel-good stories, i.e. The Wave at Kinnick. Unfortunately, after Ped State, Baylor, MSU, etc., it seems the other side of that is dealing with the elephant in the room: a lot of prominent people in sports have failed their obligation as a human being for many years now because winning was more important than a moral compass.
In short, there's an image problem right now in high-profile sports, and media spotlighting some of these issues, like violence against women, is part of the process of cleaning it up, I guess.
I already posted that it has, I was never going to judge him before there was evidence or he admitted it however. He knew about it so now he must face the consequences of his actions.
Interestingly enough is that he was suspended for lying about knowing. If he had just admitted to knowing I doubt there would have been as big a backlash. I am more upset that he didn't take care of this when he found out about it. No place for this crap anywhere.
People like to pretend this is a new phenomenon. I would wager abuse has always been there with athletes we looked up to. It was a controlled narrative back then.
I just wish I could enjoy the entertainment for what it is. I forget these people are humans and lead human lives because I choose to take the entertainment it provides me at face value. Now I know the guy smacking quarterbacks to the ground may also be doing that to women off of it.
Imagine the Romans visualizing the gladiators as tools for their entertainment. I used to view the games (Not people) as a venue for me to escape reality and watch these guys do superhuman feats. Now I know about C.T
E and other negative effects. That and the political protests and domestic assault has made me question the costs of my enertainment.
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