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[naturalbornhawk]

Not nearly what they should be making on antipsychotics for you.

I think my kids last shots were about 15 bucks before insurance (which covered it 100% because they know their worth). I'm a physician, and my kids will be getting the recommended vaccines on the recommended schedule.

From the article I posted: "According to their website, VAERS receives around 30,000 adverse event reports annually with 13% classified as serious (e.g., associated with disability, hospitalization, life threatening illness or death). That works out to around 4,000 cases per year. What is not usually discussed, but is openly admitted by VAERS, is that because this is a self-reporting system and diagnosing adverse events can be very subjective, it is estimated that only 1-10% of all adverse reactions are ever reported to VAERS. Doctors have been conditioned to not connect a child's subsequent maladies with vaccine visits, therefore the bulk of the cases go unreported.

Yeah sounds like big time profits on the back end to me, whether you like it or not. JW I bet you, being a physician, do your due diligence and report these adverse reactions if you suspect it was caused by a vaccine., don't you? No of course you don't, because vaccines are a golden child. Thanks for being part of the reason why they have to estimate the 1-10%.

 

[m.stoops2013]

As the father of a autistic daughter, I feel like there is something to the vaccine thing, yet I still have reservations about blaming it all on vaccines. I think it is a combo of vaccinations, GMO & steroid /antibiotic injected foods, pesticides & unclean air.
Autism is a epidemic in this country, why can we not find the reason? Why is money not being poured in to this problem? My guess is they already know the cause & don't want to rock the gravy train.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Maybe, maybe not.

But, I'm not going to say its because of safety concerns without any proof what so ever other than causation.

I think common sense pardons me enough to assume that at least a partial (if not entire) reason is not everyone is on board with the US's aggressive vaccination schedule due to safety concerns. Why else would they delay, or space them out more?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

As the father of a autistic daughter, I feel like there is something to the vaccine thing, yet I still have reservations about blaming it all on vaccines. I think it is a combo of vaccinations, GMO & steroid /antibiotic injected foods, pesticides & unclean air.
Autism is a epidemic in this country, why can we not find the reason? Why is money not being poured in to this problem? My guess is they already know the cause & don't want to rock the gravy train.

Absolutely agree.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

By the way, VAERS has coughed up some good money because of autism-like symtoms....but they can't say because of autism....just autism like symptoms. Without the word autism. Makes sense

 

[Greenway4Prez]

The content of this thread so far is completely unexpected. About a year ago I started a vaccine thread where I contended that parents should have the right to choose whether or not vaccines should be given to their children and posters were downright nasty in that thread. I don't think there's been a vaccine thread since, probably because people wanted to avoid the subject after seeing that thread. I'll admit though I haven't been able to follow HROT enough to say for sure. You guys remember, right? The tone in this thread has changed considerably, is that because people are finally waking up?

Probably because people recognize the screen name and realize they're wasting their time trying to engage in this discussion with you.

 

[HIWB]

As the father of a autistic daughter, I feel like there is something to the vaccine thing, yet I still have reservations about blaming it all on vaccines. I think it is a combo of vaccinations, GMO & steroid /antibiotic injected foods, pesticides & unclean air.
Autism is a epidemic in this country, why can we not find the reason? Why is money not being poured in to this problem? My guess is they already know the cause & don't want to rock the gravy train.

I hope your daughter stays healthy and receives the care she deserves.
But for every kid with full blown autism today, I bet we can find another kid that is now diagnosed as "on the spectrum" these days, that would have been written off as perfectly normal, but socially awkward 25 years ago.

 

[10CHawkeye]

Has anyone seen it yet?

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This is garbage and pseudo science.

 

[JWolf74]

From the article I posted: "According to their website, VAERS receives around 30,000 adverse event reports annually with 13% classified as serious (e.g., associated with disability, hospitalization, life threatening illness or death). That works out to around 4,000 cases per year. What is not usually discussed, but is openly admitted by VAERS, is that because this is a self-reporting system and diagnosing adverse events can be very subjective, it is estimated that only 1-10% of all adverse reactions are ever reported to VAERS. Doctors have been conditioned to not connect a child's subsequent maladies with vaccine visits, therefore the bulk of the cases go unreported.

Yeah sounds like big time profits on the back end to me, whether you like it or not. JW I bet you, being a physician, do your due diligence and report these adverse reactions if you suspect it was caused by a vaccine., don't you? No of course you don't, because vaccines are a golden child. Thanks for being part of the reason why they have to estimate the 1-10%.

My kid handles the shots just fine. If I felt there was an adverse event I'd tell his pediatrician. I don't see pediatric patients personally. So again, what you know of me and the members of my profession is as limited as your knowledge of the research behind vaccines.

 

[ANYCHawk]

I think common sense pardons me enough to assume that at least a partial (if not entire) reason is not everyone is on board with the US's aggressive vaccination schedule due to safety concerns. Why else would they delay, or space them out more?

Got it, they do it because of my preconceived notion, not science, so it must be true!

Solid common sense there chief

 

[Greenway4Prez]

If I had my ass handed to me on a subject so many times, I'd like to think I'm smart enough to just stop posting about it.

 

[bhawk24bob]

Absolutely agree.

Ok, so youre both just guessing here

 

[naturalbornhawk]

My kid handles the shots just fine. If I felt there was an adverse event I'd tell his pediatrician. I don't see pediatric patients personally. So again, what you know of me and the members of my profession is as limited as your knowledge of the research behind vaccines.

Your kid handles them just fine, it's all good then never mind about all of this.

I assume since you didn't answer me back on the herd immunity issue that you're stumped? I'd really like to hear what a physician has to say about it.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

This is garbage and pseudo science.

What specifically here is pseudo science?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Ok, so youre both just guessing here

Believe it or not, it's not just me and him. It's literally at least hundreds but probably more like thousands of doctors and scientists all saying the same thing, with more doctors coming to the realization that vaccines are a problem every day. The stubborn short sighted HROT naysayers should take note.

But these thousands of doctors and scientists are running off information that is just completely baseless. Riiiiight.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

If I had my ass handed to me on a subject so many times, I'd like to think I'm smart enough to just stop posting about it.

Are you talking about me? This is my 3rd time bringing up the subject. One I brought up a documentary that didn't hardly get any play at all. It had been about a year since I've posted on the off topic board.

 

[Greenway4Prez]

Are you talking about me? This is my 3rd time bringing up the subject. One I brought up a documentary that didn't hardly get any play at all. It had been about a year since I've posted on the off topic board.

Third? It sure feels like more than that.

Crap, now I sound like SP or something.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

They said the same thing about tobacco. I guess you missed Russell Crowe's performance in 'The Insider'. Why would any company wish to protect their money flow? It's just a mirage. Nothing to see here, folks. Keep moving.

Damn. You realize your argument has zero merit, right? I can't even read past this post proving how clueless you are, For your claim to have ANY merit we wouldn't have had EXTENSIVE research for decades pointing out the dangers of cigarettes. The cigarette companies would have quashed it just like you seem to actually believe that BIG PHARMA is quashing research into the "dangers" of vaccines. It's an idiotic argument deserving only scorn and derision.

Got anything else?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Crowe's character in the movie was being shot at in his home. That's the extent companies will go to keeping the money stream flowing.

Nope. Wigand claimed he found a bullet in his mailbox along with a threatening note. He also claimed he was followed. There is no independent verification for either claim.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Believe it or not, it's not just me and him. It's literally at least hundreds but probably more like thousands of doctors and scientists all saying the same thing, with more doctors coming to the realization that vaccines are a problem every day. The stubborn short sighted HROT naysayers should take note.

But these thousands of doctors and scientists are running off information that is just completely baseless. Riiiiight.

This should be posted at the top of this site:

You saying it doesn't make it so.

 

[Fools_Rush_In]

Now that's more like it! Tell me more about why you think my stance is "retarded".

I'll tell you. Because you're ignorantly drawing a line in the sand against a vaccine process that has prevented millions of illnesses and deaths. Now your spoiled, selfish ass want to break away from society with your kids, but then jump back into evil society as you need it. Then, when you jump back in, your sickly, weak kids put all others at risk.

You're a damn embarrassment to society and you're too stupid to know you're ignorant you selfish bastard.

 

[BioHawk]

Well the problem is that w/out being able to use placebo, in most of these safety studies the control groups get a dose everything else but the active ingredient. Well, it's the everything else that's the skeptics are contending that are causing the problems. So where exactly does that get you? Another item of contention is that the studies are too short term. Another, many are funded by big pharma that creates an obvious conflict of interest. 107 studies is not all encompassing. New studies are being done all the time. What if your precious studies found safety issues? Would you pay attention or look the other way - because your short term, flawed design studies done by those with a conflict of interest have told you they are safe? By the way peer-reviewed studies have indeed found safety issues, and VAERS has paid out for a number of them.

You're right. 107 studies is not all encompassing? You know where you find that? The CDC, AMA, NIAID, WHO, and any other reputable e research organization. All of these organizations say you are wrong and your uninformed, amateur opinion is dangerous. But please, keep posting this worthless drival. I'm sure you will find some evil Bond villain organization to blame for whatever illnesses your children get because of your stupid decisions.

 

[10CHawkeye]

What specifically here is pseudo science?

The whole thing. All of it. No reputable scientists or doctors believes this BS. And easily influenced rubes buy into this garbage and become a danger to the rest of society by not vaccinating their kids.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

I'll tell you. Because you're ignorantly drawing a line in the sand against a vaccine process that has prevented millions of illnesses and deaths. Now your spoiled, selfish ass want to break away from society with your kids, but then jump back into evil society as you need it. Then, when you jump back in, your sickly, weak kids put all others at risk.

You're a damn embarrassment to society and you're too stupid to know you're ignorant you selfish bastard.

Make assumptions much? Maybe I don't have kids, or maybe my kids are already vaccine damaged. Maybe I've seen the damage first-hand and I believe parents should have a choice for what goes inside their children's body so I can avoid more parents from going through what I've seen. Just how many deaths have vaccines prevented? You won't find that information because nobody knows. Look at the data and you'll figure out these diseases were on their way out anyway, long before the vaccines were even introduced to the population. Vaccines sometimes cause the disease they were meant to prevent! Now, how many destroyed lives have there been because of autism and other diseases and how many babies have been killed by vaccine-caused SIDS? How many more will there be? Look at the mess that Gardasil is creating. Many, many girls that were just fine before receiving the vaccine are now paralyzed and chronically ill shortly thereafter. If vaccines are mandated, that one gets mandated too, along with any new problematic vaccines they introduce for other probably non-fatal diseases. Do vaccines have their hand in cancer? Probably yes. Again, no long-term double-blind, placebo-controlled studies to know for sure so I don't want to hear that they don't. How about the 3.4 B paid out by VAERS, 1-10% get reported. Many of the diseases we vaccinate for would easily go away on their own with no permanent damage, and we'd be left with lifelong immunity. There are a lot of things to consider here, and those concerns I listed are not even close to being all encompassing. Not to mention your post assumes herd immunity, which I've posed as a highly questionable idea that none of you folks have even cared to even attempt to counter. Your post is a short-sighted one-sided heap of assumption filled garbage.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

The whole thing. All of it. No reputable scientists or doctors believes this BS. And easily influenced rubes buy into this garbage and become a danger to the rest of society by not vaccinating their kids.

That is absolutely false. And again, there's that herd immunity assumption. Please see the question I posed.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You're right. 107 studies is not all encompassing? You know where you find that? The CDC, AMA, NIAID, WHO, and any other reputable e research organization. All of these organizations say you are wrong and your uninformed, amateur opinion is dangerous. But please, keep posting this worthless drival. I'm sure you will find some evil Bond villain organization to blame for whatever illnesses your children get because of your stupid decisions.

Did you not see my post about those studies? And, there are thousands of highly reputable non-amateurs out there saying the exact. same. thing.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

The whole thing. All of it. No reputable scientists or doctors believes this BS. And easily influenced rubes buy into this garbage and become a danger to the rest of society by not vaccinating their kids.

....and how are unvaccinated kids a danger the vaccinated if they're immune?

 

[Nat Algren]

Damn. You realize your argument has zero merit, right? I can't even read past this post proving how clueless you are, For your claim to have ANY merit we wouldn't have had EXTENSIVE research for decades pointing out the dangers of cigarettes. The cigarette companies would have quashed it just like you seem to actually believe that BIG PHARMA is quashing research into the "dangers" of vaccines. It's an idiotic argument deserving only scorn and derision.

Got anything else?

Yeah...you're a fat, stinking douche with a disturbing fascination for dancing tigers with little boys.

Tobacco companies had known the dangers of their product as early as the 40's, but failed to disclose so.

 

[BioHawk]

Did you not see my post about those studies? And, there are thousands of highly reputable non-amateurs out there saying the exact. same. thing.

You're an internet activist. You have no authority to say the things you do so I don't give a shit what you say about those studies because you have as much credibility as my 5 year old daughter does on the subject. The CDC, WHO, AMA, and the dozens of other organizations do have the authority to make the claims they do. If you want to start convincing people of this massive conspiracy on the level of the Manhattan project, then you need to start convincing these reputable organizations of your claims. Good luck with that.

And for the record, if these organizations do start to say vaccines cause [whatever] then I will believe it. It's called "following the science".

 

[BioHawk]

....and how are unvaccinated kids a danger the vaccinated if they're immune?

This statement right here shows how little credibility you have. Anyone that had any knowledge of this topic would be able to answer this question.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

This statement right here shows how little credibility you have. Anyone that had any knowledge of this topic would be able to answer this question.

Then answer it.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Make assumptions much? Maybe I don't have kids, or maybe my kids are already vaccine damaged. Maybe I've seen the damage first-hand and I believe parents should have a choice for what goes inside their children's body so I can avoid more parents from going through what I've seen. Just how many deaths have vaccines prevented? You won't find that information because nobody knows. Look at the data and you'll figure out these diseases were on their way out anyway, long before the vaccines were even introduced to the population. Vaccines sometimes cause the disease they were meant to prevent! Now, how many destroyed lives have there been because of autism and other diseases and how many babies have been killed by vaccine-caused SIDS? How many more will there be? Look at the mess that Gardasil is creating. Many, many girls that were just fine before receiving the vaccine are now paralyzed and chronically ill shortly thereafter. If vaccines are mandated, that one gets mandated too, along with any new problematic vaccines they introduce for other probably non-fatal diseases. Do vaccines have their hand in cancer? Probably yes. Again, no long-term double-blind, placebo-controlled studies to know for sure so I don't want to hear that they don't. How about the 3.4 B paid out by VAERS, 1-10% get reported. Many of the diseases we vaccinate for would easily go away on their own with no permanent damage, and we'd be left with lifelong immunity. There are a lot of things to consider here, and those concerns I listed are not even close to being all encompassing. Not to mention your post assumes herd immunity, which I've posed as a highly questionable idea that none of you folks have even cared to even attempt to counter. Your post is a short-sighted one-sided heap of assumption filled garbage.

Wow, simply amazing how many incorrect statements and half-truths are in this paragraph. Too many to count. And if you have a child or relative with autism, I'm sorry for you and him/her. I have two close relatives on the spectrum.

But one thing I don't do is suggest that there is a massive conspiracy involving every major health organization. If you are to be believed, these organizations are staffed with thousands of parents who are complicit in covering up adverse information about vaccines and autism that will adversely impact the lives of their children and grandchildren. For a conspiracy to be plausible it has to be small, otherwise, a conspirator will eventually talk and/or Occam's razor controls.

Is it plausible the someone assisted Lee Harvey Oswald and thus there was a conspiracy? Sure. Is it plausible that tens of thousands of parents who work for every major world health organization are covering up vaccination dangers and have remained silent on the "truth" of vaccine-caused autism, but go along with it because they are either financially beholden to big Pharma or just truly evil people -- and all without even one corporate whistleblower spilling the beans regarding the "truth" of what you desperately want to believe? Not a chance in hell.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You're an internet activist. You have no authority to say the things you do so I don't give a shit what you say about those studies because you have as much credibility as my 5 year old daughter does on the subject. The CDC, WHO, AMA, and the dozens of other organizations do have the authority to make the claims they do. If you want to start convincing people of this massive conspiracy on the level of the Manhattan project, then you need to start convincing these reputable organizations of your claims. Good luck with that.

And for the record, if these organizations do start to say vaccines cause [whatever] then I will believe it. It's called "following the science".

You're on a macro scale, assuming (again) that the system is working as it should. Rather than flinging insults, you should try countering with a good idea or article or something that nullifies my idea(s). You all seem to have this very same problem. For instance, find the long term placebo peer reviewed study, or possibly answer the question I posed regarding herd immunity, or an answer indicating how you know for sure the science is legit.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Wow, simply amazing how many incorrect statements and half-truths are in this paragraph. Too many to count. And if you have a child or relative with autism, I'm sorry for you and him/her. I have two close relatives on the spectrum.

But one thing I don't do is suggest that there is a massive conspiracy involving every major health organization. If you are to be believed, these organizations are staffed with thousands of parents who are complicit in covering up adverse information about vaccines and autism that will adversely impact the lives of their children and grandchildren. For a conspiracy to be plausible it has to be small, otherwise, a conspirator will eventually talk and/or Occam's razor controls.

Is it plausible the someone assisted Lee Harvey Oswald and thus there was a conspiracy? Sure. Is it plausible that tens of thousands of parents who work for every major world health organization are covering up vaccination dangers and have remained silent on the "truth" of vaccine-caused autism, but go along with it because they are either financially beholden to big Pharma or just truly evil people -- and all without even one corporate whistleblower spilling the beans regarding the "truth" of what you desperately want to believe? Not a chance in hell.

I'm sorry for your situation as well. We have our whistleblowers and massive dissent though. These people risk/lose everything they've worked so hard for, trash their reputation, and risk their family's well being. It's a lot to give up, and a big reason why you wouldn't see more than what we've seen. In a physician and scientist's line of work you simply won't see the amount of dissent we've seen unless they're seeing that something is truly wrong.

 

[shank hawk]

Then answer it.

Why answer a legitimate question when they can simply hurl insults at you natural? Isn't that how one always wins a debate?

 

[BioHawk]

You're on a macro scale, assuming (again) that the system is working as it should. Rather than flinging insults, you should try countering with a good idea or article or something that nullifies my idea(s). You all seem to have this very same problem. For instance, find the long term placebo peer reviewed study, or possibly answer the question I posed regarding herd immunity, or an answer indicating how you know for sure the science is legit.

Yeah, typical internet activist. You are smarter than the folks at all of those research institutions. I'm sorry you think me saying you have no credibility is an insult. The fact is, you do not have any credibility. You do not have a PhD in immunology. If you did, then you might have some ground to stand on. But you don't. You are not smarter than the people who have made it their life's work to study this stuff.

 

[BioHawk]

Why answer a legitimate question when they can simply hurl insults at you natural? Isn't that how one always wins a debate?

Please identify the insult. Pointing out why someone does not have credibility is not an insult. It is providing evidence to support a statement.

 

[shank hawk]

Please identify the insult. Pointing out why someone does not have credibility is not an insult. It is providing evidence to support a statement.

naturalbornhawk said: ↑
The content of this thread so far is completely unexpected. About a year ago I started a vaccine thread where I contended that parents should have the right to choose whether or not vaccines should be given to their children and posters were downright nasty in that thread. I don't think there's been a vaccine thread since, probably because people wanted to avoid the subject after seeing that thread. I'll admit though I haven't been able to follow HROT enough to say for sure. You guys remember, right? The tone in this thread has changed considerably, is that because people are finally waking up?
Lmao I wouldn't be patting myself on the back that a handful of retards are now in agreement on HROT with your retarded stance on vaccines

25 bhawk24bob, Saturday at 2:44 PM

That was real hard, but in your defense saying over and over that someone has no credibility isn't as bad as saying they are retarded. Maybe you should just go with this to mix things up a bit?

That should end the debate once and for all.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Yeah...you're a fat, stinking douche with a disturbing fascination for dancing tigers with little boys.

Tobacco companies had known the dangers of their product as early as the 40's, but failed to disclose so.

So. What? There was tons of independent research indicating the dangers of tobacco, you moronic twit. There is zero credible evidence indicating this for vaccines. The tobacco companies couldn't suppress the evidence then and "BIG PHARMA" couldn't do it now...if it existed. Your argument is stupid and vacuous but since you decided to get personal, so are you. Not that that's a surprise to anyone.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

....and how are unvaccinated kids a danger the vaccinated if they're immune?

Damn, you really are this clueless. They're a danger to infants who haven't been immunized and the immunocompromised who can't tolerate vaccines. They're also a danger to other children whose parents are as stupid as the other anti-vaxxers. Those children don't get a choice.

This isn't hard at all if you actually research the information rather than relying on conspiracy sites.