VOTE: How will Tom Izzo be punished for the Travis Walton Rape Cover Up?

[Franisdaman]

I think you are confusing the words Tom Izzo with MichiganState University. They aren't the same thing. Izzo didn't break the law by not reporting anything. Michigan State University may have if they didn't launch a title 9 investigation.

Are you able to make that distinction? There is a really big difference.

And please stop with the multiple copy and paste jobs. You don't seem to understand what you are posting

Again,

"...Athletic Director Hollis told OCR (Office of Civil Rights) officials that coaches [ie, TOM IZZO] knew they were to report ANY INCIDENTS DIRECTLY to the office that handled Title IX complaints."


Tom Izzo failed to report on 3 different occasions in 2010. 3 times in ONE YEAR.

Are you able to comprehend this?

I am guessing not based on your post.

 

[Tylerl_28]

Again,

"...Athletic Director Hollis told OCR (Office of Civil Rights) officials that coaches [ie, TOM IZZO] knew they were to report ANY INCIDENTS DIRECTLY to the office that handled Title IX complaints."


Tom Izzo failed to report on 3 different occasions in 2010. 3 times in ONE YEAR.

Are you able to comprehend this?

I am guessing not based on your post.

and what federal law was broken if izzo did not report those incidents?

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

and what federal law was broken if izzo did not report those incidents?

Ahhh, the old Paterno defense. Well played old chap.

 

[Franisdaman]

Ahhh, the old Paterno defense. Well played old chap.

exactly right. and Paterno got fired. Izzo? Still employed.

 

[Tylerl_28]

Ahhh, the old Paterno defense. Well played old chap.

its not a defense...its about making the slightest effort of understanding the facts.

 

[Franisdaman]

Watch the video at the end of this post.

As you will hear, Izzo has no regrets and he can't remember why Travis Walton left his coaching staff.

Does anyone believe Izzo when he says that?

Uh, Travis Walson punched one girl and knocked her out at a bar. A few months later Travis Wilson & 2 MSU players raped a different girl and Izzzo and the MSU AD kept this GANG RAPE quiet/in house. And Izzo can't remember why Travis Wilson left his coaching staff? Perhaps it was because he is a rapist?

Watch:

 

[board_poster]

Watch the video at the end of this post.

As you will hear, Izzo has no regrets and he can't remember why Travis Walton left his coaching staff.

Does anyone believe Izzo when he says that?

Uh, Travis Walson punched one girl and knocked her out at a bar. A few months later Travis Wilson & 2 MSU players raped a different girl and Izzzo and the MSU AD kept this GANG RAPE quiet/in house. And Izzo can't remember why Travis Wilson left his coaching staff? Perhaps it was because he is a rapist?

Watch:

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The video posted above is older news. Izzo spoke out again about this topic in October 2018. This was approximately 8 months after the posted video.

MSU conducted a Title IX investigation.

The NCAA investigated MSU Basketball.

The State of Michigan hired a Special Prosecutor who also conducted a Title IX investigation.

Time to give it a rest & move on.

 

[IamHawkeye]

The video posted above is older news. Izzo spoke out again about this topic in October 2018. This was approximately 8 months after the posted video.

MSU conducted a Title IX investigation.

The NCAA investigated MSU Basketball.

The State of Michigan hired a Special Prosecutor who also conducted a Title IX investigation.

Time to give it a rest & move on.

The punishment was being designated a 2 seed and put in with Duke (eventually).

 

[Franisdaman]

The video posted above is older news. Izzo spoke out again about this topic in October 2018. This was approximately 8 months after the posted video.

MSU conducted a Title IX investigation.

The NCAA investigated MSU Basketball.

The State of Michigan hired a Special Prosecutor who also conducted a Title IX investigation.

Time to give it a rest & move on.

You have the video of Izzo speaking in Oct 2018?

The Title IX investigations have not been completed.

Time to move on? The many victims of Izzo's basketball program disagree with you. They want justice.

* The girl who got knocked out by Izzo's assistant coach (Travis Walton) wants justice.

* The girl who got gang raped by Izzo's assistant (Travis Walton) & 2 of Izzo's players wants justice. After all, Izzo and the MSU AD did their own investigation and kept this GANG RAPE in house. Izzo talked to the players; he did NOTHING else. The police were never called. The Title IX office was never notified, which is required by FEDERAL LAW.

You say it's time to move on. What a joke. How do these victims move on? Their lives were shattered by Izzo's basketball program.

 

[mandb2019]

We're a 2 seed with Duke. Is that not severe enough.
Get Fran to play some defense and you will be ok

 

[hooper56]

Izzo said he would have something to say at the proper time and about Larry Nasser said he just hoped they got the right guy. Still waiting for his statement.

 

[Franisdaman]

Izzo said he would have something to say at the proper time and about Larry Nasser said he just hoped they got the right guy. Still waiting for his statement.

Izzo and the AD covered up a gang rape involving his assistant coach (Travis Walton) and 2 of his players (their names are unknown at the moment). They kept it quiet and in house. They did not notify the police. They did not notify the Title IX office. They did their own little in house investigation and found no wrong doing; Izzo simply "talked" to his team as punishment.

Why is Izzo still an MSU employee?

After all, the MSU President & MSU AD are long gone. Izzo should be long gone, too.

I give PSU a little credit; they at least fired Joe Paterno when it was learned of Paterno's involvement and his lack of action when it came to Jerry Sandusky.

Michigan State? They don't seem to have a moral compass. It's all about winning. Michigan State's culture is sick, to say the least.

 

[board_poster]

You have the video of Izzo speaking in Oct 2018?

The Title IX investigations have not been completed.

Time to move on? The many victims of Izzo's basketball program disagree with you. They want justice.

* The girl who got knocked out by Izzo's assistant coach (Travis Walton) wants justice.

* The girl who got gang raped by Izzo's assistant (Travis Walton) & 2 of Izzo's players wants justice. After all, Izzo and the MSU AD did their own investigation and kept this GANG RAPE in house. Izzo talked to the players; he did NOTHING else. The police were never called. The Title IX office was never notified, which is required by FEDERAL LAW.

You say it's time to move on. What a joke. How do these victims move on? Their lives were shattered by Izzo's basketball program.

See link below with external reporting:

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...big-ten-media-days/1ftf4vk5ek1iu1d2rgcdbrrle7

With regard to your claims that the investigation was kept in-house, that the Title IX office was never notified, and that a Title IX investigation was never initiated: Your statements are categorically false. A recommendation for you is to read the article. As you will see, the State of Michigan hired a Special Prosecutor to complete an outside investigation specifically including a Title IX investigation. This information refutes your specific claims as they relate to a Title IX investigation.

Additional investigatory action also took place at the Federal government level, specifically by the U.S. Department of Education.

Understand that the situation you are referring to was fully and completely investigated at both the Federal and State government levels.

 

[Franisdaman]

See link below with external reporting:


http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...big-ten-media-days/1ftf4vk5ek1iu1d2rgcdbrrle7


With regard to your claims that the investigation was kept in-house, that the Title IX office was never notified, and that a Title IX investigation was never initiated: Your statements are categorically false. A recommendation for you is to read the article. As you will see, the State of Michigan hired a Special Prosecutor to complete an outside investigation specifically including a Title IX investigation. This information refutes your specific claims as they relate to a Title IX investigation.


Additional investigatory action also took place at the Federal government level, specifically by the U.S. Department of Education.


Understand that the situation was fully and completely investigated at both the Federal and State government levels.

WRONG. Let me spell it out for you.

Regarding the girl who got gang raped by Izzo's assistant (Travis Walton) & 2 of Izzo's players (names currently unknown):

* Izzo and the MSU AD did their own investigation

* Izzo and the MSU AD kept this GANG RAPE in house.

* Izzo talked to the players; he did NOTHING else.

* The police were never called.

* The Title IX office was never notified, which is required by FEDERAL LAW.

 

[Franisdaman]

See link below with external reporting:

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...big-ten-media-days/1ftf4vk5ek1iu1d2rgcdbrrle7

With regard to your claims that the investigation was kept in-house, that the Title IX office was never notified, and that a Title IX investigation was never initiated: Your statements are categorically false. A recommendation for you is to read the article. As you will see, the State of Michigan hired a Special Prosecutor to complete an outside investigation specifically including a Title IX investigation. This information refutes your specific claims as they relate to a Title IX investigation.

Additional investigatory action also took place at the Federal government level, specifically by the U.S. Department of Education.

Understand that the situation you are referring to was fully and completely investigated at both the Federal and State government levels.

The Payne & Appling case did FINALLY get investigated AFTER public outrage.

But make no mistake; there was a COVER UP of the Travis Walton PLUS 2 player (names unknown) GANG RAPE. 3 Michigan State "men" (one coach, 2 players) vs one girl. How you can't see that Izzo covered up this GANG RAPE tells me you are a Michigan State fan.

 

[board_poster]

WRONG. Let me spell it out for you.

The girl who got gang raped by Izzo's assistant (Travis Walton) & 2 of Izzo's players:

* Izzo and the MSU AD did their own investigation

* Izzo and the MSU AD kept this GANG RAPE in house.

* Izzo talked to the players; he did NOTHING else.

* The police were never called.

* The Title IX office was never notified, which is required by FEDERAL LAW.

Again, specific quotes from the linked externally reported article, refute your claims:

"The school conducted a Title IX investigation" (paragraph 12)

"There has also been a Title IX investigation and an investigation by a special prosecutor hired by the state of Michigan"
(paragraph 17)

 

[Franisdaman]

Again, specific quotes from the linked externally reported article, refute your claims:

"The school conducted a Title IX investigation" (paragraph 12)

"There has also been a Title IX investigation and an investigation by a special prosecutor hired by the state of Michigan"
(paragraph 17)

You are confusing the 2 gang rapes that we know of that occurred under Tom Izzo's watch.

GANG RAPE # 1: The Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police.

GANG RAPE # 2: The 2nd gang rape involved 2 of Izzo's players, Payne & Appling; this case was turned over to the Title IX office only after public outrage and news coverage.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

Everybody knows Travis Walton was raped by aliens.

 

[Franisdaman]

Before the most recent gang rape accusation:

There were 2 gang rapes that we know of that occurred under Tom Izzo's watch.

GANG RAPE # 1: The Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police.

GANG RAPE # 2: The 2nd gang rape involved 2 of Izzo's players, Payne & Appling; this case was turned over to the Title IX office only after public outrage and news coverage.

 

[KLucas1]

The Payne & Appling case did FINALLY get investigated AFTER public outrage.

But make no mistake; there was a COVER UP of the Travis Walton PLUS 2 player (names unknown) GANG RAPE. 3 Michigan State "men" (one coach, 2 players) vs one girl. How you can't see that Izzo covered up this GANG RAPE tells me you are a Michigan State fan.

The Payne and Appling case was investigated back in 2010 dummy. Let's get some facts straight.

That last paragraph is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. How do you have any idea if a gang rape occurred or not? How do you know that Izzo covered it up?

Christ, you are an ignorant fool.

 

[Franisdaman]

The Payne and Appling case was investigated back in 2010 dummy. Let's get some facts straight.

That last paragraph is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. How do you have any idea if a gang rape occurred or not? How do you know that Izzo covered it up?

Christ, you are an ignorant fool.

Ironic word choice, because you clearly are the ignorant fool.

I clearly wrote that Appling and Payne were investigated, but ONLY after public outrage and news coverage.

Interesting that you do not comment on Travis Walton punching a girl in a bar when he was an assistant under Izzo and living in Izzo's basement. You ask how do we know that Izzo covered it up? Seriously? Travis Walton was living in Izzo's basement when he was arrested. Izzo did not punish/suspend Walton for punching a girl in the face!

Interesting, too, that you do not comment on the Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape that was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police. You ask how do we know that Izzo covered it up? You are an idiot because it is CLEAR Izzo covered it up because it was reported that Izzo talked to his team and that is all he did. The AD did nothing as well. It was all kept quiet and within the athletic dept.

To put it mildly, you are the ignorant, blind foolish one. And you created an account on here to defend gang rape at Michigan State.

What does that make you? An enabler, for starters. A disgusting human being, as well.

The facts are the facts.

Again, the facts are this:

There were 2 gang rapes that we know of that occurred under Tom Izzo's watch.

GANG RAPE # 1: The Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police.

GANG RAPE # 2: The 2nd gang rape involved 2 of Izzo's players, Payne & Appling; this case was turned over to the Title IX office only after public outrage and news coverage.

 

[KLucas1]

Ironic word choice, because you clearly are the ignorant fool.

I clearly wrote that Appling and Payne were investigated, but ONLY after public outrage and news coverage.

Interesting that you do not comment on Travis Walton punching a girl in a bar when he was an assistant under Izzo and living in Izzo's basement. You ask how do we know that Izzo covered it up? Seriously? Travis Walton was living in Izzo's basement when he was arrested. Izzo did not punish/suspend Walton for punching a girl in the face!

Interesting, too, that you do not comment on the Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape that was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police. You ask how do we know that Izzo covered it up? You are an idiot because it is CLEAR Izzo covered it up because it was reported that Izzo talked to his team and that is all he did. The AD did nothing as well. It was all kept quiet and within the athletic dept.

To put it mildly, you are the ignorant, blind foolish one. And you created an account on here to defend gang rape at Michigan State.

What does that make you? An enabler, for starters. A disgusting human being, as well.

The facts are the facts.

Again, the facts are this:

There were 2 gang rapes that we know of that occurred under Tom Izzo's watch.

GANG RAPE # 1: The Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police.

GANG RAPE # 2: The 2nd gang rape involved 2 of Izzo's players, Payne & Appling; this case was turned over to the Title IX office only after public outrage and news coverage.

Christ, you are really dumb. The Payne and Appling case was investigated 9 years ago. It isn't new.

You know Izzo covered up a rape because all he did was talk to his team about it? Lol. How do you know a rape ever occurred? How do you know anyone was punched in the face?

How can you say somebody covered something up when there's no evidence that any of this ever happened?

Nobody is defending gang rape you ignorant fool. I am asking for facts that these incidents actually happened before crucifying someone.

 

[Franisdaman]

Christ, you are really dumb. The Payne and Appling case was investigated 9 years ago. It isn't new.

You know Izzo covered up a rape because all he did was talk to his team about it? Lol. How do you know a rape ever occurred? How do you know anyone was punched in the face?

How can you say somebody covered something up when there's no evidence that any of this ever happened?

Nobody is defending gang rape you ignorant fool. I am asking for facts that these incidents actually happened before crucifying someone.

You are an ignorant blind fool.

I have laid out all the facts and I have clearly shown how Izzo turned a blind eye and you are still here supporting Izzo. Izzo clearly turned a blind eye to his coaches and players physically and sexually assaulting women.

You are a blind idiot. You seriously asked "How can you say somebody covered something up when there's no evidence that any of this ever happened?"

Well, here is that evidence, you freaking idiot:

(1) YES, Izzo and the AD covered up a rape because they did not report it to the police and the Title IX office, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW. Izzo supposedly talked to his team and the AD "investigated." That is a cover up if I ever saw one. Izzo & the AD did not want the rape allegation to get out.

(2) YES, Travis Walton punched a girl in the face. There are medical records. There are police records. Yet you say there's no evidence that any of this ever happened. NO EVIDENCE? SERIOUSLY????

Travis Walton's crimes are very well documented, yet you seriously claim that there's no evidence that any of this ever happened.

You are an incredibly disgusting human being.

 

[Franisdaman]

The woman said that THIS GANG RAPE occurred just after MSU’s 2015 Final Four run. The three MSU basketball players are not identified by name in the lawsuit.

What follows is from the Detroit Free Press & they nail it.

MSU’s Counseling Center should be a safe haven for scared young people in their most vulnerable hour. If the school’s counselors aren’t believing victims of sexual assault and, instead, are protecting their alleged perpetrators, beloved athletes in this case, MSU is sicker than we realized.

This is what all of Nassar’s victims were shouting about. This, in part, is what ESPN was reporting — that MSU’s athletic department had a role in this sickness.

Know this: Very few women lie about this. The percentages are in the single digits, according to several advocacy groups.Reporting a sexual assault is a miserable, traumatizing, toxic experience.

Imagine being all but turned away.

The young woman in this case, who remains enrolled at MSU, alleges the following in the lawsuit:

-When she disclosed to the counselor that the three attackers were notable MSU athletes, members of the basketball team, the counselor suddenly announced that she needed another person in the room with her and the plaintiff. The counselor’s demeanor completely changed.

-She was told by the MSU Counseling Center staff that they had seen a lot of these cases with “guys with big names" and the best thing to do is to “just get yourself better,” implying to her that it would not be in her best interest to report the incident to law enforcement.

-She was expressly told that “if you pursue this, you are going to be swimming with some really big fish.”

-The MSUCC staff did not notify her of her option to report the rape(s) to the Office of Institutional Equity. Nor did they notify her of her Title IX rights, protections and accommodations.

-The MSUCC staff referred her to the Michigan State University Sexual Assault Program. Because she felt so discouraged and frightened after her encounter at the MSUCC, she did not seek assistance from that program until 10 months later. Nor did she report her assault to police.

It’s a stunning dose of callousness and malfeasance. After a gang rape.

And, if this is in fact how the university responded, what are the odds it’s an isolated reaction?

We already know it’s not an isolated sexual assault involving MSU athletes.

...among the reasons Izzo is paid so handsomely is that buck stops with him. He can’t control what his players do. But if they do wrong, it reflects on his program. On him.

For the university, a reckoning is coming. Nassar’s victims have done what MSU wouldn’t — make other sexual assault victims feel safe coming forward.

The worst, for MSU, might be yet to come.



LINK: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...ee-basketball-players-couch-column/504714002/

 

[Ronman]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/michigan-state-basketball-rape-accuser-comes-forward-040326702.html

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Dear women,

If you are raped, REPORT IT TO THE POLICE. Period. Full stop.

Rape is a crime. The police, prosecutorial, judicial, and corrections systems deal with crimes. College offices deal with menus and dorm rooms.

Let’s review:

Vicious crime? Police.

Mistake on your trancript? Some college office.

 

[Crazy Hawk]

There are school teachers in Michigan who have faced more consequences for not reporting a high schooler drinking then Izzo has received for not reporting rapes.

 

[Tylerl_28]

(1) YES, Izzo and the AD covered up a rape because they did not report it to the police and the Title IX office, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW. Izzo supposedly talked to his team and the AD "investigated." That is a cover up if I ever saw one. Izzo & the AD did not want the rape allegation to get out.
.

who broke the federal law?
do you know what "cover up" means?

 

[Raptorpeeps]

I was gang raped. I told my university counselor about it. She failed to inform me of my Title IX rights. Pay me.

What a joke.

If you are raped, go to the police. They will collect this thing called PHYSICAL EVIDENCE which can be used to bring your assailants to justice. If someone beat you nearly to death would you go to a university counselor? If someone stole your stereo system would you go to a university counselor?

Isn't anyone bothered by media's glossing over of the fact that this allegedly gang raped woman didn't bother going to the police? We're all supposed to be outraged by the fact that some university counselor making $14,000 a year failed to seek every outlet for justice for a woman who failed to take even the first step in reporting a crime committed against her?

It's nonsense.

Where there's smoke...? BS. This woman had every opportunity to gather and present ACTUAL EVIDENCE. She didn't. Now she wants to be paid according to some tangential federal law.

Again, nonsense.

Izzo is a little dickhead but I'm not about to besmirch him and his coaches without ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

The powers that be are rapidly trying to dispense of all remnants of anglo-saxon justice but we're not there quite yet no matter how poignant the NY Times articles are.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

I still don't get how Title IX has anything to do with stuff like this. Rape is a serious crime whether the people involved are athletes or not...it has nothing to do with NCAA rules designed to give women equal access to athletic opportunity.

 

[fred m trapp]

1. So he was never charged with sexual assault then? I'm not familiar with this case. Were there charges for the incident at the bar?

We already know Michigan State has a permissive culture of allowing sexual assault to be perpetrated by their "student athletes" so what you're describing sounds like a piss in the ocean.

 

[Franisdaman]

I still don't get how Title IX has anything to do with stuff like this. Rape is a serious crime whether the people involved are athletes or not...it has nothing to do with NCAA rules designed to give women equal access to athletic opportunity.

Remember the 10 Minny football players who trained a girl?

TWO HUGE POINTS:
* The police investigated; the district attorney did not press charges because he did not thing there was enough evidence.

* Alleged sexual assaults of ANY STUDENT, per Federal law, MUST be reported to the school's Title IX office. The EOAA office investigates sexual assault complaints on campus as part of the federal Title IX law

Hennepin County authorities twice declined to charge any of the players, citing a lack of evidence, but the federally mandated Title IX investigation carries a lower burden of proof.

MN's Title Office investigated & found that there was enough evidence to support the girl's allegation and as a result, several of the 10 were expelled.

Several of the players then appealed the punishment handed down to them. A University of Minnesota panel cleared four students, eased the sanctions on one player and upheld the punishments for the other five.

Antoine Winfield Jr. (one-year suspension), for example, had his recommended punishments dismissed.

From CBS News:

University spokesman Evan Lapiska said “the law does not allow us to talk about further specifics about the events behind the suspensions. Title IX and other related proceedings are also confidential throughout the due process that the university’s policies provide.”

The EOAA office investigates sexual assault complaints on campus as part of federal Title IX law and recommended the punishments after concluding the players violated the student conduct code. The players denied wrongdoing and remained enrolled in the university despite being suspended from the team.

LINK: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/univer...rs-4-players-in-sexual-assault-investigation/

 

[papabeef]

He has the same advantage as democrats- never punished for their crimes

or rethuglicans not punished enough .

 

[win1forthe]

More shining examples how much of college athletics is rotten to the core. It’s all about the $, just like every business and institution.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

I was gang raped. I told my university counselor about it. She failed to inform me of my Title IX rights. Pay me.

What a joke.

If you are raped, go to the police. They will collect this thing called PHYSICAL EVIDENCE which can be used to bring your assailants to justice. If someone beat you nearly to death would you go to a university counselor? If someone stole your stereo system would you go to a university counselor?

Isn't anyone bothered by media's glossing over of the fact that this allegedly gang raped woman didn't bother going to the police? We're all supposed to be outraged by the fact that some university counselor making $14,000 a year failed to seek every outlet for justice for a woman who failed to take even the first step in reporting a crime committed against her?

It's nonsense.

Where there's smoke...? BS. This woman had every opportunity to gather and present ACTUAL EVIDENCE. She didn't. Now she wants to be paid according to some tangential federal law.

Again, nonsense.

Izzo is a little dickhead but I'm not about to besmirch him and his coaches without ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

The powers that be are rapidly trying to dispense of all remnants of anglo-saxon justice but we're not there quite yet no matter how poignant the NY Times articles are.

PTSD is a thing. Especially in rape cases. It is easy for us to say that if someone robs your house or hits your car, then call the police. But if someone raped you, or in this case multiple people raped you, you probably aren’t thinking correctly. The expectation in our society is that if a victim of rape communicates the crime to a person in a position of authority, that person is responsible for helping them. Including reporting to the police. In many cases the women are so emotionally hurt/embarrassed/or some other emotion immediately after the crime that they don’t want to report it because they don’t want to relive it.

What has happened here is that people think they answer to the idea of protecting their employer. When in actuality they answer to the expectations of society. If their rape was reported to the police, it would have been investigated and MSU would take a small PR hit but move on. But instead they tried to sweep it under the rug and now many incidents are coming out at roughly the same time. Just like with the PSU stuff, the coverup was worse for the university than the actual crime.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

Remember the 10 Minny football players who trained a girl?
/

Understood. University codes of student conduct already exist, with lower burdens of proof than legal courts, and athletic scholarships typically carry certain written expectations of behavior.

My question is how does title IX go from an equality in athletics amendment to a second tier criminal court...in effect. If a woman is assaulted it has nothing to do with athletics...it's a crime. If there's not enough evidence or the prosecutor chooses not to file charges... student code of conduct and/or rules of scholarship compliance kick in if athletes or students are involved. Strikes me as a reach to use title IX

 

[Raptorpeeps]

PTSD is a thing. Especially in rape cases. It is easy for us to say that if someone robs your house or hits your car, then call the police. But if someone raped you, or in this case multiple people raped you, you probably aren’t thinking correctly. The expectation in our society is that if a victim of rape communicates the crime to a person in a position of authority, that person is responsible for helping them. Including reporting to the police. In many cases the women are so emotionally hurt/embarrassed/or some other emotion immediately after the crime that they don’t want to report it because they don’t want to relive it.

What has happened here is that people think they answer to the idea of protecting their employer. When in actuality they answer to the expectations of society. If their rape was reported to the police, it would have been investigated and MSU would take a small PR hit but move on. But instead they tried to sweep it under the rug and now many incidents are coming out at roughly the same time. Just like with the PSU stuff, the coverup was worse for the university than the actual crime.

All this is a bunch of speculation designed to obfuscate and excuse the fact that this woman claims to have been gang raped and did not report it to the police. Maybe she was. Maybe it was a case of post coital regret. Maybe something in between. The point is, we can't know now because of the way she handled it. Maybe she indeed had PTSD. Maybe she didn't. It's not fair to replace due process, evidence and proof with post hoc excuses for her lack of agency.

These calls to burn Izzo and MSU are mob level virtue signaling BS.

When I see convincing evidence, I'll be the first calling for justice. Haven't seen any yet though and NY Times me too bullshit is not even a poor substitute.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

All this is a bunch of speculation designed to obfuscate and excuse the fact that this woman claims to have been gang raped and did not report it to the police. Maybe she was. Maybe it was a case of post coital regret. Maybe something in between. The point is, we can't know now because of the way she handled it. Maybe she indeed had PTSD. Maybe she didn't. It's not fair to replace due process, evidence and proof with post hoc excuses for her lack of agency.

These calls to burn Izzo and MSU are mob level virtue signaling BS.

When I see convincing evidence, I'll be the first calling for justice. Haven't seen any yet though and NY Times me too bullshit is not even a poor substitute.

Have to disagree with you, Peeps. There's enough of a pattern at MSU to warrant concern. We're not talking about a one-off where the facts are murky or uncertain. We're talking about an accumulation of events over time. Burn in hell is a little strong, buy things are clearly pretty sleazy in East Lansing.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Have to disagree with you, Peeps. There's enough of a pattern at MSU to warrant concern. We're not talking about a one-off where the facts are murky or uncertain. We're talking about an accumulation of events over time. Burn in hell is a little strong, bug things are clearly pretty sleazy in East Lansing.

I would agree that there is enough evidence to support the idea that MSU is fostering a toxic culture (at the very least) with respect to its revenue programs.

Is that enough to support this woman’s accusation? No way. Not even remotely close. Even under the lowered title ix standard. Not even close.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Yes, there are so many incidents at MSU I can't keep up with all of them.

Sad.