Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget
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You're against taxpayers paying student loans off for people who could use the help with student loans. HOWEVER, you are totally fine with taxpayers paying for the college educations of kids from well to do families. These vouchers are a handout to these families, who can already afford private school. They can now put our tax dollars into their bank accounts to help pay for their kids' college. It's a crazy way for you guys to think.
And millions agree.
The voucher program was voted down in Arizona but the republican legislature pushed it through anyway.
Data. Not feelings. Perhaps private schools better align with their values. That’s fine. Pay for it then. If a public school provides for
An education don’t expect me to pay extra for a private voucher. You can pay for it yourself.
You do understand the vouchers to date have had income limits attached to them?
Taxpayers paying off someone's poor choice of going to college (huge loans) is apples and oranges to providing a child's parents with the choice of where they go to school.
Who said I was against student loan payoff? I am all for it if we have a balance budget and are paying off our debt. Of course that means that you might have to take away programs and make some people have an ounce of personal responsibility.
Many if not all private schools have close to a 100% graduation rate while the public schools languish in the 60's or 70's for graduation rates, not feelings but fact.
They don't in Arizona which has been held up as the example for other states. They soon won't in Iowa.
The vast majority of recipients have not been in public schools.
That is because it is currently a better product in general. The public school should take all of this as a way to look at what they are doing and why so many families don't want to go to their schools. Look at actual ways to make things better and ways that they can eliminate some of their spending.
Instead, you get people saying that public schools are being killed and sabotaged. Now they have to act with some semblance of being a business that they don't get every tax dollar.
Interesting that you are for a program that is massively over budget and serving a fraction of the intended beneficiaries.
Seems as though your for a balanced budget only after your side gets their money.
They get to choose their participants, why wouldn't they be better? Yet studies show that kids using the vouchers don't have better outcomes.
And then you have the fact these massive amounts of taxpayer dollars have no oversight or accountability.
Almost 95% of all private school graduates go on to either a 2 year or 4 year college, public schools struggle to get 45% into college. The outcome clearly indicates that kids going to private schools have better outcomes.
What if public schools don't align with my values, why should have to support public schools with my tax dollars? Your argument in reverse.
The left has politicized education and now they want to prevent students from leaving. Sorry my education funding shouldn't pay for your political nonsense. Just stick with the RRR's.
Doesn’t seem that complicated to understand, does it?
Let’s do like students. Let’s group students by socioeconomic class. Things like that. Outcomes are very similar. Your feelings don’t matter.
You’re full of it. My values don’t align at all with Christian schools, particularly catholic schools. I shouldn’t support that. The vouchers are going directly to the church. The schools are raising tuition and pulling church money from the schools. The voucher money is replacing church support.
If someone wants to try a secular private approach to replace public schools, let’s give it a shot. But it won’t work
You believe lies. Your values? You vote for a rapist felon conman. Public schools don't teach that. It is truly amazing the damage Trump has done to Americans. All of this has been explained over and over and over and you guys ignore all of it. Willful ignorance.
So you believe in keeping people in chains? Do you realize what you posted above? You're basically saying intelligence is based on your classification in life, poor people have dumb kids.
Do you really believe that?
NOPE, I know exactly what his point was.
He moonwalked and then went to page 2 of the liberals guide to talking points and started classifying students into groups based on their families' financials.
I didn’t say anything like that. I mean, what are you talking about even? I’m saying that when you normalize outside factors like income, outcomes are pretty similar.
Translation = put children into categories so you can make excuses for grades.
Translation. Make things up that others posted when it doesn’t fit your narrative. I’m not putting anyone into categories. Do you have any idea what it means to look at data? Of course not, you stopped your education at the 5th grade.
You can manipulate data to show anything you want it to show. The bottom line is the parents who send their children to private school using the vouchers do so because those children will receive a better education, plain and simple. Graduation rates are higher at private schools no matter what color you are or how what neighborhood you live in. Graduates of private schools go on to a 2-year or 4-year college at a tremendously higher rate than public school graduates.
Eat wherever you like. Pay for it yourself.
Horseshit. Multiple large studies have determined that there is no difference in outcomes between public and private schools when socio-economic factors are comparable.
It’s not just more efficient.
It also results in a more diverse pool of producers for consumers to select to better meet the consumers’ needs.
Why not keep public funding, but allow individual choice?
Why insist on the political/bureaucratic control of production? What’s the advantage, when you already acknowledge the inefficiency?
Have outcomes improved since Carter gave us the Education Department?
Grocery stores are trying to entice customers to come into their doors with their money. If they do things that drive customers to the 10% you’ll witness that ratio flip faster than any school board could fathom operating.
There might be a halal grocer willing forego 95% of the market, but he’s a godsend to the other 5%.
That’s something that happens in almost innumerable dimensions, and bureaucracies are ill-equipped to nimbly navigate it.
The evolutionary power of producers having to earn the customers’ dollar can’t be underestimated.
You’re really just telling the poor to eat cake, but you’re too ignorant to realize it.
I moved to a ‘good school zone’, because I could afford it for my kids.
This thread! Phucks sake. And some posters wonder why they aren’t worthwhile arguing with on this topic.
Why do you continue to compare food stamps to school vouchers when they aren't even close to the same thing? Using your logic Medicaid is just like school vouchers.
I bet he's one of those guys that stands behind someone using food assistance that judges the "choices" they are making with tax payer funded money.
They’re both government subsidies that inherently recognize the value of consumer choice.
Why do you prefer political/bureaucratic direction of resources over consumer choice?
