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[86_90]

If you don't like the posts, attack the message. Answer me this...what did the Sandusky incident have to do with Cael and PSU wrestling? What did it have to do with 99.9% of Penn Staters? Nothing. It's a red herring provided by you to hit them with because of the success of the PSU program and some of their DBag fans. That's all.

86...when you are posting on wrestling, I enjoy your posts. But on this issue? You are lacking the plastic thingy that holds the six-pack together. C'mon on back to the circle of trust brother.

We look at things differently azchief . Have principles and stick behind them, not the institutions that purport to advance them. Isn't is true that arrogance is a deadly sin? I'll stick by my comments.

Answer me this, as I have already done: If it was revealed that the University of Iowa was involved in a similar scandal tomorrow, how would you respond as a fan of their sports teams? Continue to proudly and in many cases here --loudly and arrogantly-- support and revel in their successes? This should tell you all you need to know about where you and I stand on this issue.

 

[Lion8286]

We look at things differently azchief . Have principles and stick behind them, not the institutions that purport to advance them. Isn't is true that arrogance is a deadly sin? I'll stick by my comments.

Answer me this, as I have already done: If it was revealed that the University of Iowa was involved in a similar scandal tomorrow, how would you respond as a fan of their sports teams? Continue to proudly and in many cases here --loudly and arrogantly-- support and revel in their successes? This should tell you all you need to know about where you and I stand on this issue.

You're always good for a chuckle. Is this still a wrestling forum?

 

[86_90]

You're always good for a chuckle. Is this still a wrestling forum?

Sad you find humor in your school's history of enabling pedophiles. Sick and not funny.

 

[TarpHawk]

Why would you consider it ... stupid? Because, our society has no shame? Because no action is without forgiveness?

Why? Because arrogant posts by pen staters on an Iowa site, believe it or not, I am actually offended by that. When I see this particular pen state arrogance I attack it--with the truth. I understand people don't want this crap on the board, neither do I. However, I equate arrogant pen state posts with the same Joe Pa arrogance that ruined that institution's good name. It should be obvious to most that their are many, not all, but many pen state posters who still carry this same arrogance--they've apparently learned nothing.

Some don't like that I won't let my opinion "go" that pen state is a tainted institution of filth, with many supporters who would LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN FOR THE CRIMES OF JOE PA AND SANDUSKY TO BE FORGOTTEN?

The fact I have to hear from pen staters how great they are on an Iowa/pen state lite wrestling site sickens me. IF, as many allege, the institution of filth helped cover up the abuse allegations for years with payoffs, witness intimidation and firing whistle-blowers why are so many HERE so quick to forget about it and let pen staters rewrite their history. I'm beginning to think I'm in the minority when it comes to things like despising child-abuse, pedophiles, and people who now want to classify homo-sexual pedophilia as a normal act of love. In my eyes, this is as low as it goes.

I never thought I'd see the day when these things are the not completely reprehensible and without debate. Again, I only bring it up to remind those arrogant bast..rds that they've got more important things to do than pollute an Iowa site. Their arrogance created an environment where Sandusky could attack with impunity. When I see arrogant posts by pen staters it reminds me of the arrogance of Joe Pa and his ignorance and outright criminal actions as they related to his then friend and trusted assistant.

Arrogance created the Sandusky/Joe Pa legacy of abuse at pen state and the arrogance of pen state posters is what drives me to remind them that they have nothing, repeat nothing, to be proud about in Happy Valley. Our society today has no shame, but I still believe it serves a purpose.

If this happened in Iowa City I would burn every reminder of the institution and never look back. But then again, I don't wrap my own worth as man in the associations or accomplishments of others. I would also be too ashamed to admit any sort of affiliation, let alone brag about it.

Here's why you need to cool it, 86. Equating child molestation with bad conduct on a message board doesn't elevate the seriousness of the latter, it makes a mockery of the former. It's like screaming "Nazi!" when someone takes your parking spot. This is just wrestling. Chill.Chhhiiiillllll.

 

[Husker Hank]

We only won 26-12.

However, we did with 7 out of 10 matches, whereas they only won 6.

On the other hand, if you want to compare:
PSU smoked the Huskers while the Iowa and Nebraska dual was closer than the score.

some matches of interest

149 Sorensen dec Sueflohn 6-5 Retherford maj Sueflohn 11-3 (and it wasnt that close)
157 Nolf TF Berger 19-3 Cooper dec Berger 7-6 (with berger seconds from winning takedown at the end)
174 Nickal dec Barnes 10-3 Meyer dec Barnes 2-0
184 McCutchen dec Dudley 8-7 Dudley pin Brookes in the 1st


125: #2 Thomas Gilman (IOWA) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 11-4 (IOWA 3, NEB 0)
133: #3 Cory Clark (IOWA) dec. #14 Eric Montoya (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Topher Carton (IOWA), 7-6 (IOWA 6, NEB 3)
149: #2 Brandon Sorensen (IOWA) dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 6-5 (IOWA 9, NEB 3)
157: #16 Edwin Cooper, Jr. (IOWA) dec. #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 7-6 (IOWA 12, NEB 2)*
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Patrick Rhoads (IOWA), 2-0 (IOWA 12, NEB 5)
174: #12 Alex Meyer (IOWA) dec. #16 Micah Barnes (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 15, NEB 5)
184: #11 TJ Dudley (NEB) pin #7 Sammy Brooks (IOWA), 1:40 (IOWA 15, NEB 11)
197: #3 Nathan Burak (IOWA) dec. #15 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 4-2 (IOWA 18, NEB 11)
HWT: #7 Sam Stoll (IOWA) dec. #18 Collin Jensen (NEB), 6-2 (IOWA 21, NEB 11)

125: #4 Nico Megaludis (PSU) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 8-5 (PSU 3, NEB 0)
133: #5 Jordan Conaway (PSU) dec. #12 Eric Montoya (NEB), 5-3 (PSU 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Kade Moss (PSU), 4-1 (PSU 6, NEB 3)
149: #1 Zain Retherford (PSU) major dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 11-3 (PSU 10, NEB 3)
157: #3 Jason Nolf (PSU) tech. fall #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 19-3 (PSU 15, NEB 3)
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Geno Morelli (PSU), 3-2 (PSU 15, NEB 6)
174: #1 Bo Nickal (PSU) dec. #14 Micah Barnes (NEB), 10-3 (PSU 18, NEB 6)
184: #13 Matt McCutcheon (PSU) dec. #5 TJ Dudley (NEB), 8-7 (PSU 21, NEB 6)
197: #1 Morgan McIntosh (PSU) tiebreaker-1 #16 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 2-1 (PSU 24, NEB 6)
HWT: #17 Collin Jensen (NEB) major dec. Wes Phipps (PSU), 9-1 (PSU 24, NEB 10)

 

[rafferty06]

In remembrance of Kyle Dake at National Duels last year yelling in Carver....let's play "high low" Predicted highest ceiling and lowest floor at NCAAs

Iowa
Gilman 1,4 *
Clark (healthy) 1,3 *
Grothus 5, 1-2
Sorenson 1,3
Cooper 8, 0-2
Paddock/Rhoads 1-2, non qualifier
Meyer (The Current Meyer) 8, 1-2
Brooks 1, 7 *
Burak 2, 5
Stoll 5, rd of 12

PSU
Mega 1, 4 *
Conaway 7, rd of 12
Guilbon (healthy) 8, 1-2
Retherford 1, 3 *
Nolf 1,3 *
Rasheed 6, rd of 12 *
Nickal 1, 3 *
McCutheon (Healthy) 5, rd of 12
Mcintosh 1, 3
Johnson 1-2, non qualifier

*= wrestlers with major bonus point potential

We're not worlds apart from PSU, but we have a very slim margin of slips up. We gotta wrestle a perfect tourney to contend with PSU at NCAAs.
The performances by PSUs studs just solidified what we already knew about their young talents. They're the real deal. Hopefully the field at NCAAs slows them down.
Recruiting note...quality over quantity, PSU's recruiting is flowing a river of talent.

Hopefully this is the year of the Hawkeyes. 12-0 in football , 1st place for basketball right now, so why not a couple of upsets and a national title for the wrestling team? Don't count our eggs just yet but we have had an amazing school year so far...Go Hawks

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

On the other hand, if you want to compare:
PSU smoked the Huskers while the Iowa and Nebraska dual was closer than the score.

some matches of interest

149 Sorensen dec Sueflohn 6-5 Retherford maj Sueflohn 11-3 (and it wasnt that close)
157 Nolf TF Berger 19-3 Cooper dec Berger 7-6 (with berger seconds from winning takedown at the end)
174 Nickal dec Barnes 10-3 Meyer dec Barnes 2-0
184 McCutchen dec Dudley 8-7 Dudley pin Brookes in the 1st


125: #2 Thomas Gilman (IOWA) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 11-4 (IOWA 3, NEB 0)
133: #3 Cory Clark (IOWA) dec. #14 Eric Montoya (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Topher Carton (IOWA), 7-6 (IOWA 6, NEB 3)
149: #2 Brandon Sorensen (IOWA) dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 6-5 (IOWA 9, NEB 3)
157: #16 Edwin Cooper, Jr. (IOWA) dec. #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 7-6 (IOWA 12, NEB 2)*
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Patrick Rhoads (IOWA), 2-0 (IOWA 12, NEB 5)
174: #12 Alex Meyer (IOWA) dec. #16 Micah Barnes (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 15, NEB 5)
184: #11 TJ Dudley (NEB) pin #7 Sammy Brooks (IOWA), 1:40 (IOWA 15, NEB 11)
197: #3 Nathan Burak (IOWA) dec. #15 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 4-2 (IOWA 18, NEB 11)
HWT: #7 Sam Stoll (IOWA) dec. #18 Collin Jensen (NEB), 6-2 (IOWA 21, NEB 11)

125: #4 Nico Megaludis (PSU) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 8-5 (PSU 3, NEB 0)
133: #5 Jordan Conaway (PSU) dec. #12 Eric Montoya (NEB), 5-3 (PSU 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Kade Moss (PSU), 4-1 (PSU 6, NEB 3)
149: #1 Zain Retherford (PSU) major dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 11-3 (PSU 10, NEB 3)
157: #3 Jason Nolf (PSU) tech. fall #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 19-3 (PSU 15, NEB 3)
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Geno Morelli (PSU), 3-2 (PSU 15, NEB 6)
174: #1 Bo Nickal (PSU) dec. #14 Micah Barnes (NEB), 10-3 (PSU 18, NEB 6)
184: #13 Matt McCutcheon (PSU) dec. #5 TJ Dudley (NEB), 8-7 (PSU 21, NEB 6)
197: #1 Morgan McIntosh (PSU) tiebreaker-1 #16 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 2-1 (PSU 24, NEB 6)
HWT: #17 Collin Jensen (NEB) major dec. Wes Phipps (PSU), 9-1 (PSU 24, NEB 10)

I'm not seeing such a huge difference. I think we can all agree that the fall at 184, while a nice move to be sure, was a case of one guy catching the other in an even match-up. I'd also argue that Grothus is our best option at 141, and I think he beats Abidin. Furthermore, especially with McCutcheon's injury, I'd favor Dudley in a rematch there.

So one could argue that the result at 184 makes the IA-NE team score look disproportionately close, while the results at 141 and 184 aren't necessarily representative of the strength of Iowa's lineup as compared to PSU's. As such, I don't think one can draw much of a conclusion from comparing the team scores of IA-NE and PSU-NE, except that Retherford, Nolf, and Nickal are beasts.

 

[Azchief32]

We look at things differently azchief . Have principles and stick behind them, not the institutions that purport to advance them. Isn't is true that arrogance is a deadly sin? I'll stick by my comments.

Answer me this, as I have already done: If it was revealed that the University of Iowa was involved in a similar scandal tomorrow, how would you respond as a fan of their sports teams? Continue to proudly and in many cases here --loudly and arrogantly-- support and revel in their successes? This should tell you all you need to know about where you and I stand on this issue.

If the same thing happened? Damn skippy I'd still be a Hawk wrestling fan. Id root for the football team too. Your problem is that you are holding a whole institution responsible for the acts of one asshole. You act like JoePa and a few of their admin guys were at the wheel of the "freecandy" van while Sandusky was snatching kids off the street and the fans lined the street cheering and the wrestlers led by Cael blocked the police from interfering.

Think about a guy that you admire and have been friends with for many years. Now, imagine him as a Chester. If JoePa erred, it was on the side of "who the hell would do such a thing?"

My problem is that you act like this is a systemic thing. For example, if Iowa wrestlers were at a party and and all of them were accused of rape and it was on video...then I could see your "shame" scenario. But what about just one or two?

So...just letting you know it just comes off as nonsense. If this is just a troll, get a better one because it has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling and there are no good reasons to be discussing Sandusky unless another inmate has the good fortune to shank him in the prison showers.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

On the other hand, if you want to compare:
PSU smoked the Huskers while the Iowa and Nebraska dual was closer than the score.

some matches of interest

149 Sorensen dec Sueflohn 6-5 Retherford maj Sueflohn 11-3 (and it wasnt that close)
157 Nolf TF Berger 19-3 Cooper dec Berger 7-6 (with berger seconds from winning takedown at the end)
174 Nickal dec Barnes 10-3 Meyer dec Barnes 2-0
184 McCutchen dec Dudley 8-7 Dudley pin Brookes in the 1st


125: #2 Thomas Gilman (IOWA) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 11-4 (IOWA 3, NEB 0)
133: #3 Cory Clark (IOWA) dec. #14 Eric Montoya (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Topher Carton (IOWA), 7-6 (IOWA 6, NEB 3)
149: #2 Brandon Sorensen (IOWA) dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 6-5 (IOWA 9, NEB 3)
157: #16 Edwin Cooper, Jr. (IOWA) dec. #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 7-6 (IOWA 12, NEB 2)*
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Patrick Rhoads (IOWA), 2-0 (IOWA 12, NEB 5)
174: #12 Alex Meyer (IOWA) dec. #16 Micah Barnes (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 15, NEB 5)
184: #11 TJ Dudley (NEB) pin #7 Sammy Brooks (IOWA), 1:40 (IOWA 15, NEB 11)
197: #3 Nathan Burak (IOWA) dec. #15 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 4-2 (IOWA 18, NEB 11)
HWT: #7 Sam Stoll (IOWA) dec. #18 Collin Jensen (NEB), 6-2 (IOWA 21, NEB 11)

125: #4 Nico Megaludis (PSU) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 8-5 (PSU 3, NEB 0)
133: #5 Jordan Conaway (PSU) dec. #12 Eric Montoya (NEB), 5-3 (PSU 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Kade Moss (PSU), 4-1 (PSU 6, NEB 3)
149: #1 Zain Retherford (PSU) major dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 11-3 (PSU 10, NEB 3)
157: #3 Jason Nolf (PSU) tech. fall #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 19-3 (PSU 15, NEB 3)
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Geno Morelli (PSU), 3-2 (PSU 15, NEB 6)
174: #1 Bo Nickal (PSU) dec. #14 Micah Barnes (NEB), 10-3 (PSU 18, NEB 6)
184: #13 Matt McCutcheon (PSU) dec. #5 TJ Dudley (NEB), 8-7 (PSU 21, NEB 6)
197: #1 Morgan McIntosh (PSU) tiebreaker-1 #16 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 2-1 (PSU 24, NEB 6)
HWT: #17 Collin Jensen (NEB) major dec. Wes Phipps (PSU), 9-1 (PSU 24, NEB 10)

Nice work out of our Husker friend!

That is interesting and I admit I certainly compare score like this but this example is not what has me upset and its also not why I think PSU is better. For me its the eyeball test and how are our guys coming along. I watch as much PSU meets as they will show so ive seen them all. Great fun team and the young guys get it. Ive watched as much Ohio St as you can stomach and I say that because everytime I play there meet Coach Ryan is sitting somebody. Annoying

But what has me feeling not so good is, is the Iowa guys improving vs the same opponent. Neb is our best comparison.

Gilman drove a semi through the close gap that was the Lambert match last year.
Sorenson on the other hand let Sueflohn close the gap from midlands.
Brooks had beaten Dudly in OT before, this time gets pinned.
Burak is a wash, that Studabaker kid is a tough out for anyone.

Maybe im missing any other comparisions for the Neb guys and I could go on about other meets like Clark vs Richards/Taylor. Clark lost ground on both.
Could go on and on but Thats how I judge my Hawkeyes. I have to see them building and being more greedy in the rematches. not so much on what did the PSU guy do. But I get that too.

 

[jammenz]

Answer me this, as I have already done: If it was revealed that the University of Iowa was involved in a similar scandal tomorrow ...

Probably a "permanent suspension".

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Probably a "permanent suspension".

 

[hawknut]

I'll just give my relatively uniformed opinion on likely placement rather than high/low

Iowa
125 1st
133 3rd
141 NQ
149 2nd
157 r12
165 NQ
174 r 12
184 5th
197 2nd
Hwt 5th

PSU
125 3rd
133 8th
141 r12
149 1st
157 2nd
165 1-2
174 1st
184 r12
197 1st
Hwt NQ

Right now it looks like roughly equal #AA's, and PSU having higher placements and more bonus pts

Iowa 6 AA's - 1,2,2,3,5,5
PSU 3 champs 6 AA's - 1,1,1,2,3,8

I think you are spot on. Plus, recent history suggests PU wrestles slightly up and us slightly down.

 

[hawknut]

Is the "Pen St" intentional? I must have missed something. There is a hell of a lot of creative math and ignorant predictions in this thread.

Iowa is going for third or fourth for the foreseeable future and it's only one persons fault.

You see a lot, San Souci. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

I actually agree with you that we are a step below PSU and maybe even tOSU and OSU in the tournament setting. I have my own opinions on this based on what I hear. I know anybody gets hammered on this board if they give any negative perception of the Iowa program. It should just be viewed as an opinion, but it is treated like heresy. But you are SanSouci, you don't give a shit. Whose fault do you think it is and why?

 

[hawknut]

Come back after Big Ten and I guarantee we are not 40 points out of first place in the rankings.

I think we can very realistically make up 30 points from 141,174,184 within these Intermat rankings. I can easily seeing PSU dropping 10-20 points off that predictive model.

I still think we have the best shot at knocking them off.

The last few years I keep thinking the studs we have not wrestling too well in the regular season will step up tournament time. It hasn't happened. It seems now that the guys who are having issues in the regular season are having the same issues during the tournament.

 

[hawkssox1]

The last few years I keep thinking the studs we have not wrestling too well in the regular season will step up tournament time. It hasn't happened. It seems now that the guys who are having issues in the regular season are having the same issues during the tournament.

Spot on I am a long time season ticket holder as well as attending over a dozen NCAAs but I don't like what I am seeing now or for the past few years.Sunday in Lincoln it looked like most of the wrestlers just woke up it was a pitiful effort for the most part and I have seen this far too often over the past 4-5 years.My opinion.

 

[#10Hawk]

Nice work out of our Husker friend!

That is interesting and I admit I certainly compare score like this but this example is not what has me upset and its also not why I think PSU is better. For me its the eyeball test and how are our guys coming along. I watch as much PSU meets as they will show so ive seen them all. Great fun team and the young guys get it. Ive watched as much Ohio St as you can stomach and I say that because everytime I play there meet Coach Ryan is sitting somebody. Annoying

But what has me feeling not so good is, is the Iowa guys improving vs the same opponent. Neb is our best comparison.

Gilman drove a semi through the close gap that was the Lambert match last year.
Sorenson on the other hand let Sueflohn close the gap from midlands.
Brooks had beaten Dudly in OT before, this time gets pinned.
Burak is a wash, that Studabaker kid is a tough out for anyone.

Maybe im missing any other comparisions for the Neb guys and I could go on about other meets like Clark vs Richards/Taylor. Clark lost ground on both.
Could go on and on but Thats how I judge my Hawkeyes. I have to see them building and being more greedy in the rematches. not so much on what did the PSU guy do. But I get that too.

I agree in general with your comment IHawkd. However, Clark manhandled Taylor in a recent match (even though the score was close) and yes, he lost to Richards while not being 100% - but he lost to Richards last year as well and then turned it on in March. I also think that Coop, Burak and Stoll are improving each match. Meyer and Sorensen on the other hand are in the middle season slump right now. let's hope they will get out of it.

 

[DonHawkeye]

We have looked solid this year overall other than the Nebraska meet where be won 7 matches against a team that could have beat us.

We are in desperate need of an over-performance at nationals. While we havn't had it in a few years this team has the talent to do it and the Brands do have the ability to pull that off.

 

[Azchief32]

You see a lot, San Souci. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

Maybe SanSouci is out shopping for some lotion or a nice Chianti to go with his lava beans and liver.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Be sure and watch Ohio State and Penn State wrestle in Feb. This could be very interesting.
Just a opinion what could happen.
125. Ohio Dec 3
133. Ohio Dec 3
141..Ohio Dec 3
149. Penn fall 6
157..Penn tfall 5
165..Ohio major 4
174..Penn major 4
184..Ohio dec 3
197...Penn major 4_
Hwt..Ohio fall 6_
22 19

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Be sure and watch Ohio State and Penn State wrestle in Feb. This could be very interesting.
Just a opinion what could happen.
125. Ohio Dec 3
133. Ohio Dec 3
141..Ohio Dec 3
149. Penn fall 6
157..Penn tfall 5
165..Ohio major 4
174..Penn major 4
184..Ohio dec 3
197...Penn major 4_
Hwt..Ohio fall 6_
22 19

Ohio State matches up well vs PSU, esp with Snyder getting a potential pin.
Not sure I agree Zain would pin Hunter but im sure he would beat him bad.
Also not sure I take DiJuliuis over Conoway. Conaway is a bit underated but who knows?
Micah could bonus
who even knows 184 anymore. Its an insane weight class and nobody is ocnsistant other than Dean
Oddily enough Iowa matches up better vs Ohio St than PSU.

 

[PSU Mike]

Hopefully this is the year of the Hawkeyes. 12-0 in football , 1st place for basketball right now, so why not a couple of upsets and a national title for the wrestling team? Don't count our eggs just yet but we have had an amazing school year so far...Go Hawks

Penn State was 7-0 in football games in which they won. Iowa was 0-2 in football games they lost.

But seriously, just hoping for a healthy homestretch, and we'll let the kids settle it.

 

[PSU Mike]

Be sure and watch Ohio State and Penn State wrestle in Feb. This could be very interesting.
Just a opinion what could happen.
125. Ohio Dec 3
133. Ohio Dec 3
141..Ohio Dec 3
149. Penn fall 6
157..Penn tfall 5
165..Ohio major 4
174..Penn major 4
184..Ohio dec 3
197...Penn major 4_
Hwt..Ohio fall 6_
22 19

Could happen. And might not matter much in March.

 

[hawkssox1]

Penn State was 7-0 in football games in which they won. Iowa was 0-2 in football games they lost.

But seriously, just hoping for a healthy homestretch, and we'll let the kids settle it.

If you are trying to be a comedian I wouldn't recommend quitting your day job.

 

[DonHawkeye]

Ohio State matches up well vs PSU, esp with Snyder getting a potential pin.
Not sure I agree Zain would pin Hunter but im sure he would beat him bad.
Also not sure I take DiJuliuis over Conoway. Conaway is a bit underated but who knows?
Micah could bonus
who even knows 184 anymore. Its an insane weight class and nobody is ocnsistant other than Dean
Oddily enough Iowa matches up better vs Ohio St than PSU.

Conaway may get underestimated but he for sure is not underrated. I think every poll has him at around 4 or 5 and I don't think he sniffs that come March.

 

[PSU Mike]

If you are trying to be a comedian I wouldn't recommend quitting your day job.

Saying Iowa was 12-0, while factually accurate, kind of missed the punch line too.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Be sure and watch Ohio State and Penn State wrestle in Feb. This could be very interesting.
Just a opinion what could happen.
125. Ohio Dec 3
133. Ohio Dec 3
141..Ohio Dec 3
149. Penn fall 6
157..Penn tfall 5
165..Ohio major 4
174..Penn major 4
184..Ohio dec 3
197...Penn major 4_
Hwt..Ohio fall 6_
22 19

Very doubtful penn state gets bonus at 174 might just see bonus at 141 for mic and wouldn't surprise me at all if hunter doesn't wrestle this dual

 

[FineMaterial]

Will Snyder be there next Friday? He is in Russia this weekend.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Will Snyder be there next Friday? He is in Russia this weekend.

Said he would

 

[Herkuleez5]

If the same thing happened? Damn skippy I'd still be a Hawk wrestling fan. Id root for the football team too. Your problem is that you are holding a whole institution responsible for the acts of one asshole. You act like JoePa and a few of their admin guys were at the wheel of the "freecandy" van while Sandusky was snatching kids off the street and the fans lined the street cheering and the wrestlers led by Cael blocked the police from interfering.

Think about a guy that you admire and have been friends with for many years. Now, imagine him as a Chester. If JoePa erred, it was on the side of "who the hell would do such a thing?"

My problem is that you act like this is a systemic thing. For example, if Iowa wrestlers were at a party and and all of them were accused of rape and it was on video...then I could see your "shame" scenario. But what about just one or two?

So...just letting you know it just comes off as nonsense. If this is just a troll, get a better one because it has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling and there are no good reasons to be discussing Sandusky unless another inmate has the good fortune to shank him in the prison showers.

But AZ that doesn't excuse um you know when someone um........damn it that is just common sense

 

[Annieat285]

Conaway may get underestimated but he for sure is not underrated. I think every poll has him at around 4 or 5 and I don't think he sniffs that come March.

Conaway AA'd last year at a weight he was supposedly struggling to maintain. Now he's at a more comfortable weight and looking far better than he did at 125. And remember, he gave Gilman a really tough match multiple times last year.

 

[MSU158]

Conaway barely made the podium last season and he was NOT struggling to make weight. He is at 133 because Megaludis is back at 125. He is a grit and heart guy(Iowa style), but he is undersized at 133. His biggest asset is his gas tank and 3rd period grinding. I simply don't think that will be enough in March considering all the guys try to have the gas tank at optimum then. 133 has a ton of returning AA's(133:Brewer, Clark, Hall, Beckman--125: Garrett and Hall) along with guys like Richards, DiCamillo, DiJulius, McGuire, Alber, Synon, Alexander and Giraldo.

I would definitely pick Conaway to AA at 125 but I truly feel he is undersized and will have a very hard time reaching the podium. 133 is always a deep weight and returns a to of talent....

 

[hawknut]

Maybe SanSouci is out shopping for some lotion or a nice Chianti to go with his lava beans and liver.

Bing bing bing. we have a winner. I knew it wouldn't take too long for someone to get the Silence of the Lambs reference! Its kind of fitting though for San Souci to be compared to Hannibal Lecter.

 

[Annieat285]

Conaway barely made the podium last season and he was NOT struggling to make weight. He is at 133 because Megaludis is back at 125. He is a grit and heart guy(Iowa style), but he is undersized at 133. His biggest asset is his gas tank and 3rd period grinding. I simply don't think that will be enough in March considering all the guys try to have the gas tank at optimum then. 133 has a ton of returning AA's(133:Brewer, Clark, Hall, Beckman--125: Garrett and Hall) along with guys like Richards, DiCamillo, DiJulius, McGuire, Alber, Synon, Alexander and Giraldo.

I would definitely pick Conaway to AA at 125 but I truly feel he is undersized and will have a very hard time reaching the podium. 133 is always a deep weight and returns a to of talent....

I don't know why you think he's undersized at 133. That was his original weight and that was 2 years ago. He had to cut to wrestle 125, something that was difficult for him. He looks really good and strong at 133. He's been putting lot's of points up, only being outclassed by Richards and Garrett. He has shown he is better than the rest of the pack by winning handily vs all other opponents. When he wrestles DiJulius that will be clear.
As far as returning AA's Beckman is a complete washout who hasn't even held down the starting spot for Lehigh this year. I admit, Conaway will probably lose to Brewer and definitely both Garrett or Richards if they meet again. I think he would, however, wrestler Cory Clark close and, although Jordan isn't favored, if Clark decides not to score points its anyone's match.
Also, I also don't know why you think people's gas tanks peak in March. People who cut lots of weight traditionally have more stamina at the beginning of the season when their cut hasn't taken such a toll on them.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Would't surprise me if Clark pins Conway like Ramos did when he was at 133....

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I don't know why you think he's undersized at 133. That was his original weight and that was 2 years ago. He had to cut to wrestle 125, something that was difficult for him. He looks really good and strong at 133. He's been putting lot's of points up, only being outclassed by Richards and Garrett. He has shown he is better than the rest of the pack by winning handily vs all other opponents. When he wrestles DiJulius that will be clear.
As far as returning AA's Beckman is a complete washout who hasn't even held down the starting spot for Lehigh this year. I admit, Conaway will probably lose to Brewer and definitely both Garrett or Richards if they meet again. I think he would, however, wrestler Cory Clark close and, although Jordan isn't favored, if Clark decides not to score points its anyone's match.
Also, I also don't know why you think people's gas tanks peak in March. People who cut lots of weight traditionally have more stamina at the beginning of the season when their cut hasn't taken such a toll on them.

He came into college as a 125 pretty sure he wrestled 112 as a senior the only reason he was at 133 his first 2 seasons was because Megaludis was at 125. Believe he made the drop to 125 during his sophomore season around the time Guilibon solidified his spot at 133 and he hasn't won handily against all of his opponents he beat Dicamillo on a last second td in a rematch I'd definitely take Dicamillo

 

[Azchief32]

But AZ that doesn't excuse um you know when someone um........damn it that is just common sense

Every once in awhile, I stumble into some

 

[MSU158]

AnnieAt285,

Conaway would have wrestled 125 all 4 years of Megaludis wasn't there. He is not a big guy. Huge heart though. I am not trying to disparage him, I actually would like to see him AA again. Unheralded recruit. Had to switch schools and walk on. Has worked his tail off to help his team and fit in where he could. I truly respect him.

As far as gas tanks go, I honestly think Metcalf guilted a ton of guys into training differently(see Lance Palmer senior year). I have noticed a big difference in guys peaking their cardio over the last few seasons. The top guys are motivated enough to diet properly and get their weight under control for the end run. There are always exceptions but I think the majority have figured it out. That and win or your season is done makes for added adrenaline!

 

[MSU158]

Also, don't count out a guy like Beckman. If it isn't a hidden injury that is holding him back, expect him to be ready in March. 2x AA's usually reach the podium again if they are healthy.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

On the other hand, if you want to compare:
PSU smoked the Huskers while the Iowa and Nebraska dual was closer than the score.

some matches of interest

149 Sorensen dec Sueflohn 6-5 Retherford maj Sueflohn 11-3 (and it wasnt that close)
157 Nolf TF Berger 19-3 Cooper dec Berger 7-6 (with berger seconds from winning takedown at the end)
174 Nickal dec Barnes 10-3 Meyer dec Barnes 2-0
184 McCutchen dec Dudley 8-7 Dudley pin Brookes in the 1st


125: #2 Thomas Gilman (IOWA) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 11-4 (IOWA 3, NEB 0)
133: #3 Cory Clark (IOWA) dec. #14 Eric Montoya (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Topher Carton (IOWA), 7-6 (IOWA 6, NEB 3)
149: #2 Brandon Sorensen (IOWA) dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 6-5 (IOWA 9, NEB 3)
157: #16 Edwin Cooper, Jr. (IOWA) dec. #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 7-6 (IOWA 12, NEB 2)*
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Patrick Rhoads (IOWA), 2-0 (IOWA 12, NEB 5)
174: #12 Alex Meyer (IOWA) dec. #16 Micah Barnes (NEB), 2-0 (IOWA 15, NEB 5)
184: #11 TJ Dudley (NEB) pin #7 Sammy Brooks (IOWA), 1:40 (IOWA 15, NEB 11)
197: #3 Nathan Burak (IOWA) dec. #15 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 4-2 (IOWA 18, NEB 11)
HWT: #7 Sam Stoll (IOWA) dec. #18 Collin Jensen (NEB), 6-2 (IOWA 21, NEB 11)

125: #4 Nico Megaludis (PSU) dec. #9 Tim Lambert (NEB), 8-5 (PSU 3, NEB 0)
133: #5 Jordan Conaway (PSU) dec. #12 Eric Montoya (NEB), 5-3 (PSU 6, NEB 0)
141: #20 Anthony Abidin (NEB) dec. Kade Moss (PSU), 4-1 (PSU 6, NEB 3)
149: #1 Zain Retherford (PSU) major dec. #5 Jake Sueflohn (NEB), 11-3 (PSU 10, NEB 3)
157: #3 Jason Nolf (PSU) tech. fall #17 Tyler Berger (NEB), 19-3 (PSU 15, NEB 3)
165: #14 Austin Wilson (NEB) dec. Geno Morelli (PSU), 3-2 (PSU 15, NEB 6)
174: #1 Bo Nickal (PSU) dec. #14 Micah Barnes (NEB), 10-3 (PSU 18, NEB 6)
184: #13 Matt McCutcheon (PSU) dec. #5 TJ Dudley (NEB), 8-7 (PSU 21, NEB 6)
197: #1 Morgan McIntosh (PSU) tiebreaker-1 #16 Aaron Studebaker (NEB), 2-1 (PSU 24, NEB 6)
HWT: #17 Collin Jensen (NEB) major dec. Wes Phipps (PSU), 9-1 (PSU 24, NEB 10)

So what you're saying is.....

Iowa > Penn State


Got it. Thanks.

 

[Allensville Amos]

He came into college as a 125 pretty sure he wrestled 112 as a senior the only reason he was at 133 his first 2 seasons was because Megaludis was at 125. Believe he made the drop to 125 during his sophomore season around the time Guilibon solidified his spot at 133 and he hasn't won handily against all of his opponents he beat Dicamillo on a last second td in a rematch I'd definitely take Dicamillo

Conaway is a 125 wrestling at 133, no doubt. If Megaludis wasn't at 25 that's where he'd be. Conaway was round of 12 two years ago at 33, and I would put his floor at about that this year and his ceiling as a low-mid AA.

NYWRESTLER, not sure where your coming from with the, "he hasn't won handily against all of his opponents"...who has?...Gwiazdowski, Dieringer, Nolf? I don't think anyone is talking Hodge for Conaway. As far as the win over DiCamillo, what are you saying....last second take downs shouldn't count!? Maybe you should get back on your meds dude.