OK, wait a minute, you don't see #1 ranked and undefeated Morgan McIntosh as a possible finalist or even scoring many points? Let's see your rationale for that prediction.
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OK, wait a minute, you don't see #1 ranked and undefeated Morgan McIntosh as a possible finalist or even scoring many points? Let's see your rationale for that prediction.
I love your thinking but don't plan on an early retirement package buy betting your house on PS only having 5 all americans this year....Somehow they do seem to peak at nationals.
If it's a difference where we win the tile or PS wins then i hope he doesn't make it back. Just my opinion, maybe not right but my opinion. Just like in any sport. I hope the other team misses it's shots and i hope the Hawks bank in the last shot to win. Never hurts to get a lucky break....
I'd like to see how PSU has finished considering the ranking of each wrestler before the tourney. I remember them leaving the door open a couple times.
Possibly McIntosh?? Conaway, Gulibon, McCutcheon (if healthy), and whomever gets the nod at 165 will all get points at the NCAAs. Don't act like it's 5 possible finalists and a bunch of nobodies.
The guy didn't say they wouldn't score any points. He said not many, which isn't that outlandish. Have you had a traumatic brain injury in the past by chance?
My bad, I got to 4 and couldn't remember who I was thinking of.
Also, yes, it is 5 guys and a few more points. Let's not try and act like it's going to be 10 rd12 guys with 5 of them Wrestling center stage.
Depending on the injury at 184, Penn State shouldn't score a ton of points with whoever fills in at 65 and you never know what Gulibon is going to do. You can count on alot, but you can also count on not a lot from the rest. You may have zero points at 141 (not likely), 165, 184 (depending on injury) and 285. That possibly leaves 6 scorers that you have to think about...a group of hammers, no doubt.
It's not 5 nobodies but 285 isn't going to qualify. Conaway is legit but undersized. 133 Is always a tough weight. R12 would be a very solid showing and that is maybe 2-3 points depending on what round he drops down. Gulibon isn't looking good and there are 15 or so guys that could beat him without any surprise. Rasheed is too raw and that will show in March If he has to go 7 minutes. McCutcheon is probably the best of the 5 but 184 is super deep and now he has an injury to deal with. Even if you give all 4 r12 points, you need all the other 5 to average 2nd place points to reach 100 pts. I keep pissing PSU fans off on themat, but I challenge anyone to call out my numbers. PSU is far from a lock to score 100+. Can they do it? absolutely. Do several other teams have a solid chance to beat them? very much so.
Feel free to join the rest of the PSU fans that don't like me for saying that......
Feel free to join the rest of the PSU fans that don't like me for saying that......
In remembrance of Kyle Dake at National Duels last year yelling in Carver....let's play "high low" Predicted highest ceiling and lowest floor at NCAAs
Iowa
Gilman 1,4 *
Clark (healthy) 1,3 *
Grothus 5, 1-2
Sorenson 1,3
Cooper 8, 0-2
Paddock/Rhoads 1-2, non qualifier
Meyer (The Current Meyer) 8, 1-2
Brooks 1, 7 *
Burak 2, 5
Stoll 5, rd of 12
PSU
Mega 1, 4 *
Conaway 7, rd of 12
Guilbon (healthy) 8, 1-2
Retherford 1, 3 *
Nolf 1,3 *
Rasheed 6, rd of 12 *
Nickal 1, 3 *
McCutheon (Healthy) 5, rd of 12
Mcintosh 1, 3
Johnson 1-2, non qualifier
*= wrestlers with major bonus point potential
We're not worlds apart from PSU, but we have a very slim margin of slips up. We gotta wrestle a perfect tourney to contend with PSU at NCAAs.
The performances by PSUs studs just solidified what we already knew about their young talents. They're the real deal. Hopefully the field at NCAAs slows them down.
Recruiting note...quality over quantity, PSU's recruiting is flowing a river of talent.
Iowa
Gilman 1,4 *
Clark (healthy) 1,3 *
Grothus 5, 1-2
Sorenson 1,3
Cooper 8, 0-2
Paddock/Rhoads 1-2, non qualifier
Meyer (The Current Meyer) 8, 1-2
Brooks 1, 7 *
Burak 2, 5
Stoll 5, rd of 12
PSU
Mega 1, 4 *
Conaway 7, rd of 12
Guilbon (healthy) 8, 1-2
Retherford 1, 3 *
Nolf 1,3 *
Rasheed 6, rd of 12 *
Nickal 1, 3 *
McCutheon (Healthy) 5, rd of 12
Mcintosh 1, 3
Johnson 1-2, non qualifier
*= wrestlers with major bonus point potential
We're not worlds apart from PSU, but we have a very slim margin of slips up. We gotta wrestle a perfect tourney to contend with PSU at NCAAs.
The performances by PSUs studs just solidified what we already knew about their young talents. They're the real deal. Hopefully the field at NCAAs slows them down.
Recruiting note...quality over quantity, PSU's recruiting is flowing a river of talent.
I like that...I'll throw in OSU High/lows.
Klimara - 4/8
Harding - 7/ 2-2
Heil - 1/3
Collica - 7/rd12
Smith - 3/8
Dieringer- 1/2
Crutchmer - 1/ 0-2
Boyd - 8/rd12
Marsden 2-2/non-qualifier
Marsden - 2/rd12
So, we could be pretty good, or pretty decent. It's probably somewhere in the middle?
Klimara - 4/8
Harding - 7/ 2-2
Heil - 1/3
Collica - 7/rd12
Smith - 3/8
Dieringer- 1/2
Crutchmer - 1/ 0-2
Boyd - 8/rd12
Marsden 2-2/non-qualifier
Marsden - 2/rd12
So, we could be pretty good, or pretty decent. It's probably somewhere in the middle?
I don't think you are too far off. The only exception is that I think Rasheed is continuing to improve and will be an AA. There still might be a glimmer of hope at heavy with Casser or even Nevills coming back.
If Nevills comes back healthy and is anywhere near as good as the other two freshmen he was recruited with, it's game over. PSU will win the team title.
Penn State is a strong team? Really? Weird...
All joking aside, this was known to most of us, and to see it on the mat only shows that our guys have to be ready for a fight, which for this sport I'm sure that everyone is looking forward to.
Everyone knew that they had a shot once they heard that Mega and Reatherford were redshirting last year, making this year's team strong. Although, I have some feeling that they both redshirted to avoid Delgado and Stieber, but that could be the Hawk fan in me just trying to stir the pot.
125-This is Gilman's weight, period. Mega will be in the semis, and has the ability to beat Toma, but he's not beating Gilman, face mush at Big Ten's, I'm calling it, lol
133-Clark will be in the finals, and I saw that someone said that Conaway is a finalist. Um, no. With Nashon and Brewer around, he may have a strong tourney, but if that happens, he goes down in the semis no matter what.
141-Brody will be here, and sky's the limit. Guilibon should have stayed at 133, but I'm not going to bash him, he's got talent, just not sure why the results aren't there.
149-BS and Zain for the title, no question
157-Nof and Imart for title, no question, Cooper will make R12
165-Rasheed will get more points than Rhoads at this weight
174-Nickal stands alone, but with his youth, not sure if he goes the distance. Definitely will finish top 4, but Meyer is still keeping us guessing on which Alex will show up.....
184-Brooks will finish top 4, McCutcheon has the ability to make a strong run, but I think he finishes 7-8
197-McIntosh is the man here, but we haven't seen Burak and him wrestle, and with Burak is where I believe that the Rutt hire is showing the most. Nathan is bonus pointing guys this late in the season, when he'd usually beat them 4-2 or 6-3. Both will definitely finish top 4, but I'm not picking a champ between the both as I believe it's a lot closer then some people think. And with McIntosh getting dinged during Illinois meet, not sure how that affects him (hope it doesn't and he recovers)
Hwt-Stoll will AA for sure, and will take at least 3rd at Big Tens. Johnson is 2-6 this year, no points.
Let's just call Doc Brown, fire up the DeLorean, and go forward to March 5 (Big Tens) and then March 17 (NCAAs) already.
All joking aside, this was known to most of us, and to see it on the mat only shows that our guys have to be ready for a fight, which for this sport I'm sure that everyone is looking forward to.
Everyone knew that they had a shot once they heard that Mega and Reatherford were redshirting last year, making this year's team strong. Although, I have some feeling that they both redshirted to avoid Delgado and Stieber, but that could be the Hawk fan in me just trying to stir the pot.
125-This is Gilman's weight, period. Mega will be in the semis, and has the ability to beat Toma, but he's not beating Gilman, face mush at Big Ten's, I'm calling it, lol
133-Clark will be in the finals, and I saw that someone said that Conaway is a finalist. Um, no. With Nashon and Brewer around, he may have a strong tourney, but if that happens, he goes down in the semis no matter what.
141-Brody will be here, and sky's the limit. Guilibon should have stayed at 133, but I'm not going to bash him, he's got talent, just not sure why the results aren't there.
149-BS and Zain for the title, no question
157-Nof and Imart for title, no question, Cooper will make R12
165-Rasheed will get more points than Rhoads at this weight
174-Nickal stands alone, but with his youth, not sure if he goes the distance. Definitely will finish top 4, but Meyer is still keeping us guessing on which Alex will show up.....
184-Brooks will finish top 4, McCutcheon has the ability to make a strong run, but I think he finishes 7-8
197-McIntosh is the man here, but we haven't seen Burak and him wrestle, and with Burak is where I believe that the Rutt hire is showing the most. Nathan is bonus pointing guys this late in the season, when he'd usually beat them 4-2 or 6-3. Both will definitely finish top 4, but I'm not picking a champ between the both as I believe it's a lot closer then some people think. And with McIntosh getting dinged during Illinois meet, not sure how that affects him (hope it doesn't and he recovers)
Hwt-Stoll will AA for sure, and will take at least 3rd at Big Tens. Johnson is 2-6 this year, no points.
Let's just call Doc Brown, fire up the DeLorean, and go forward to March 5 (Big Tens) and then March 17 (NCAAs) already.
It appears when some of our own posters choose to commend and "slap on the back" the "good" pen staters, we then get even more pen state trolls who appear to show up en mass. Nothing good about having a 1/3 of the posts on this site from pen state trolls.
I've said it before and will say it again, these pen staters are the worst know it all guidos you will ever meet in the wrestling community (granted, this is a pretty highly respected group, but someone has to bring up the butt end, and the pen staters appear to fill that role as if it were their birth right). Let's not forget the state of Pennsylvania has very good people in much of the state and particularly in the Western part of the state. However, the ones near Philly and those that end up at pen state are just what you would expect from entitled, blathering buffoons--but then what would you expect from a school which has a recent history as shameful as pen state.
I would also be 100% shocked if some of the "good" pen staters who post here also did NOT have a second or third trolling account they use here on our site. From the Sandusky/Joe Pa days they have proven to be very good at having secret identities and life styles. Perhaps you, like myself, see them here as daily reminders--how even good people can be corrupted by those whose corrupt actions go unchallenged.
Stand up Hawkeye Report. This is your site. Do not allow it to become pen state lite, we have seen where that disgusting tunnel or deceit and betrayal can lead. Keep the filth back East in Happy Valley.
I've said it before and will say it again, these pen staters are the worst know it all guidos you will ever meet in the wrestling community (granted, this is a pretty highly respected group, but someone has to bring up the butt end, and the pen staters appear to fill that role as if it were their birth right). Let's not forget the state of Pennsylvania has very good people in much of the state and particularly in the Western part of the state. However, the ones near Philly and those that end up at pen state are just what you would expect from entitled, blathering buffoons--but then what would you expect from a school which has a recent history as shameful as pen state.
I would also be 100% shocked if some of the "good" pen staters who post here also did NOT have a second or third trolling account they use here on our site. From the Sandusky/Joe Pa days they have proven to be very good at having secret identities and life styles. Perhaps you, like myself, see them here as daily reminders--how even good people can be corrupted by those whose corrupt actions go unchallenged.
Stand up Hawkeye Report. This is your site. Do not allow it to become pen state lite, we have seen where that disgusting tunnel or deceit and betrayal can lead. Keep the filth back East in Happy Valley.
No doubt PSU is looking good, but I'm disappointed in the title of this thread. PSU is a worthy opponent. They have some extremely talented kids in their lineup. So do we. It will be a battle. It will be exciting, great for the fans, and great for the sport. A big celebration of wrestling in the heart of the Big Apple. I love it!
But "we're in trouble"? Nah. Not by a long shot. We're in for a dogfight, and there's no place Iowa wrestling would rather be.
But "we're in trouble"? Nah. Not by a long shot. We're in for a dogfight, and there's no place Iowa wrestling would rather be.
PSU has abililty to stack up bonus points that our Hawks don't. I have not given up hope on our chances in March, but we will need 3 champs and 3-4 more AA to even have a chance at the team title
Consider the source. The thread title was really stupid, but the best part was his post contradicted it.
sandor nice post. I think conaways high is a little low and nickels low is a little high.chasep I liked yours also specially the crutchmer pick.
We don't know if Gilman has improved or not yet. Who has he wrestled that convinces you of this? We can't draw any conclusions on Magaludis either.
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There are people on this board who hold the team to the highest possible standards yet when a challenge presents itself some almost cowar like frightened puppies.
Our undefeated guys are vulnerable and other teams guys are unbeatable. Distasteful.
Our undefeated guys are vulnerable and other teams guys are unbeatable. Distasteful.
22, plus "walking around" money, and a free ride and a $1000 Victoria's Secret gift card for all girlfriends, with a limit of 3 girlfriends. You have to draw the line somewhere.
He isn't wrong that there are a ton of PSU douchebags that post here. Far too many IMO, and the large majority with little to offer. There are a few "good" PSU posters here that I am willing to converse with, but the ratio is so tiny, think "even a blind sow finds an acorn every now and again". It's hard to keep track of how many more to add to the Ignore Folder.
As you say, sloe, you just add the meatheads to the long list of ignored trolls. Cleans up the board real nice. I pretty much never see what the knuckleheads are saying, because I've dropped the ignore hammer on them already. The first Iowa-hating post I see out of one of these clowns, it's Ignore City. Highly recommend it to my Hawkeye brethren. If these fools quit getting a rise out of people, the fun is gone for them, and they'll crawl back under their rocks.
And just like clockwork, Ignored Member shows up on the screen! I don't wonder which Clown that is! Ha! Thank You Ignore Function!
I still think we control our own destiny.
I think PSU will be hard pressed to get more than 1 AA out of 133,141,165, 184,HWT. If this hold true they are not going to throw up some ridiculous point total that we can't match.
I also think we have guys capable of being in the finals / win it all at 125,133,149,174,184,197. We also have talent capable of AAing at 141,157 & HWT.
So I believe that we have 4 guys that can outplace 4 of the 5 PSU super studs. I am not writing Myers off yet. We need to win 125 or at least place higher and if we can outplace them at 149,174 or 197 we will be sitting really good.
I am not penciling in Nolf as the champ yet. Great performance by him yesterday, but IMar was gassed in 30 secs. He did not have a great gameplan for this match. It looked like he was too worked up and kinda underestimated Nolf. I expect a much smarter match next time.
I like the overall attitude of this years team. I think it is the best team we have had in a while. I have faith that Brands may be taking a different approach with them and maybe just maybe we will show up and OVERperform in March like we used to do every year.
Iowa's legacy was built on taking down teams full of super talents and having guys over-perform at nationals. We don't need 7 champs to win this. If we can put together say - 1 Champ - 3 guys in the finals + 7 total AAs I think we can win.
I think PSU will be hard pressed to get more than 1 AA out of 133,141,165, 184,HWT. If this hold true they are not going to throw up some ridiculous point total that we can't match.
I also think we have guys capable of being in the finals / win it all at 125,133,149,174,184,197. We also have talent capable of AAing at 141,157 & HWT.
So I believe that we have 4 guys that can outplace 4 of the 5 PSU super studs. I am not writing Myers off yet. We need to win 125 or at least place higher and if we can outplace them at 149,174 or 197 we will be sitting really good.
I am not penciling in Nolf as the champ yet. Great performance by him yesterday, but IMar was gassed in 30 secs. He did not have a great gameplan for this match. It looked like he was too worked up and kinda underestimated Nolf. I expect a much smarter match next time.
I like the overall attitude of this years team. I think it is the best team we have had in a while. I have faith that Brands may be taking a different approach with them and maybe just maybe we will show up and OVERperform in March like we used to do every year.
Iowa's legacy was built on taking down teams full of super talents and having guys over-perform at nationals. We don't need 7 champs to win this. If we can put together say - 1 Champ - 3 guys in the finals + 7 total AAs I think we can win.
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The ironic part is one day after Tom Brands publicly says he really likes his team, the next day we're in trouble. LOL! You know Tom has to dig real deep to let that come out of his mouth.
Think Rosie O'donnell publicly stating she doesn't really like food..............................
Think Rosie O'donnell publicly stating she doesn't really like food..............................
Agree completely, Don. Very well-reasoned post. It's a tall order, but we're far from "in trouble". We wrestle to our ability, we're right in it.
Iowa just needs to show up at NCAA's, its that simple for me. That hasn't collectively happened in years, so that's the challenge. If they do, the team score will take care of itself and it could most certainly end up in Iowa's favor.
I would say if we had a full healthy lineup you would be in trouble (I recall back in the DT/ER days a lot of hawk fans wonder how we avoided injury issues). Well with all the injury issues, there is no reason to think your in trouble. Will it be a dog fight? Sure will and who ever gets it will have earned it. I think it will all come down to who shows up come tournament time, both BIGs and NCAA. Seeds will be as important as they have ever been!
I see it as a 4 horse race as I include tOSU as well. I do think we have some very good high end point getters but like all we have Qs. Hopefully the bonus point potential is realized and equates to an extra AA.
One thing is for certain, it's going to be a wild time at the Garden
I see it as a 4 horse race as I include tOSU as well. I do think we have some very good high end point getters but like all we have Qs. Hopefully the bonus point potential is realized and equates to an extra AA.
One thing is for certain, it's going to be a wild time at the Garden
Lots of good talk over here! Most of you guys aren't so bad...until March and then I hope you all get diarrhea.
Until then, maybe we can get through some more talk on AA likelihood between the three? I know there hasn't been much said about my team, so I'll start...
As of right now...in my mind/order
125...NATO, Gilman, mega and then the next level of guys. Dance, Klimara, peters
133...Nahshon, Clark, brewer, richards, conaway...the rest
141...Heil, McKenna, jack, manley...then not sure
149...great weight to me. I like Sorenson 1st, Retherford, Mayes, sueflon and tshirts. Tshirts stays in danger too often for me. At this point, I don't see Collica sneaking in but I'll follow this weight!
157...Imar,Nolf,Smith (I think smith gets Nolf at least once this year), then who knows
165...Dieringer, Bojo, Lewis (if he gets a TD first, it's over), then who knows?
174...Nickal, Ramos, Realbuto, Crutchmer (if he Wrestles), Meyer, Butler, Brunson, Ottinger
184...not sure here? Dean is a stud, Brooks, staffer, Avery, brown...who knows
197...Cox, Mcintosh, Burak, pfarr...then I'm stuck?
285...Grizz, Snyder, coon, stoll, Marsden, dejournette, walz...I hate heavys
That brings me to;
Iowa with 7 AA, 4 Finalists
PSU with 6 AA, 4 Finalists
OSU with 6 AA, 2 Finalists
Man, maybe it's OSU that's in trouble? I'm literally giddy for March, but after looking at things like this, I've got to hope for a kind bracket with upsets. If Collica and Boyd can draw blood in the blood round, it would make it close. If Smith could upset Nolf, that would put us with 8 AAs and 3 Finalists...which may not be enough still.
Until then, maybe we can get through some more talk on AA likelihood between the three? I know there hasn't been much said about my team, so I'll start...
As of right now...in my mind/order
125...NATO, Gilman, mega and then the next level of guys. Dance, Klimara, peters
133...Nahshon, Clark, brewer, richards, conaway...the rest
141...Heil, McKenna, jack, manley...then not sure
149...great weight to me. I like Sorenson 1st, Retherford, Mayes, sueflon and tshirts. Tshirts stays in danger too often for me. At this point, I don't see Collica sneaking in but I'll follow this weight!
157...Imar,Nolf,Smith (I think smith gets Nolf at least once this year), then who knows
165...Dieringer, Bojo, Lewis (if he gets a TD first, it's over), then who knows?
174...Nickal, Ramos, Realbuto, Crutchmer (if he Wrestles), Meyer, Butler, Brunson, Ottinger
184...not sure here? Dean is a stud, Brooks, staffer, Avery, brown...who knows
197...Cox, Mcintosh, Burak, pfarr...then I'm stuck?
285...Grizz, Snyder, coon, stoll, Marsden, dejournette, walz...I hate heavys
That brings me to;
Iowa with 7 AA, 4 Finalists
PSU with 6 AA, 4 Finalists
OSU with 6 AA, 2 Finalists
Man, maybe it's OSU that's in trouble? I'm literally giddy for March, but after looking at things like this, I've got to hope for a kind bracket with upsets. If Collica and Boyd can draw blood in the blood round, it would make it close. If Smith could upset Nolf, that would put us with 8 AAs and 3 Finalists...which may not be enough still.
How important the seedings are going to be. Go Hawks against Nebraska and, tomorrow I will be on my way to the "Netherlands". Blue Light District.
Wanted to make sure the Joe Pa crowd saw. Kind of disappointed you liked it. Will try harder.
How important the seedings are going to be. Go Hawks against Nebraska and, tomorrow I will be on my way to the "Netherlands". Blue Light District.
Do some window shopping for me.
Too many to ignore, and in my opinion a lot of what the Joe Pa crowd stands for needs to be addressed directly. They have a recent, despicable history of deceiving large amounts of people with their rosy PR team which attempted to explain away the worst of crimes.
These Joe Pa/ Sandusky types spew a lot of trashy things on our site and believe it or not, many apparently believe most of what they read from these goofs--see recent high end wrestling recruits still flocking to pen state. They've not been as successful in most other sports since the crimes were revealed. Why have these high end wrestlers seemed to ignore these crimes? Ignorant, don't care? Either way, it is hard to wish anyone well who knowingly joins that institution.
By the way, my strong suspicion is multi-login names for several. Can't this be cleaned up?
