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[NYWRESTLER94]

Conaway is a 125 wrestling at 133, no doubt. If Megaludis wasn't at 25 that's where he'd be. Conaway was round of 12 two years ago at 33, and I would put his floor at about that this year and his ceiling as a low-mid AA.

NYWRESTLER, not sure where your coming from with the, "he hasn't won handily against all of his opponents"...who has?...Gwiazdowski, Dieringer, Nolf? I don't think anyone is talking Hodge for Conaway. As far as the win over DiCamillo, what are you saying....last second take downs shouldn't count!? Maybe you should get back on your meds dude.

When someone says win handily I think majors techs and pins or at least outclassing your opponent in every position which he did not do. A last second takedown doesn't mean he won handily it just means he found a way to win the match and we all know he has a great motor and can gut out matches at times. looks like you're obviously another PSU fan so I see your bias in the matter but if you think winning handily means getting a last second takedown maybe you need to get on some meds before trying to insult me or at least do some research to find out what it actually means to win handily

 

[Allensville Amos]

When someone says win handily I think majors techs and pins. A last second takedown doesn't mean he won handily it just means he found a way to win the match and we all know he has a great motor and can gut out matches at times. looks like you're obviously another PSU fan so I see your bias in the matter but if you think winning handily means getting a last second takedown maybe you need to get on some meds before trying to insult me or at least do some research to find out what it actually means to win handily

I didn't say a word about winning handily, that came from someone else and you jumped on it. No wrestler in D-1 this year that has wrestled the entire season has all majors techs and pins...Even Hodge frontrunners like Dieringer and Gwiazdowski haven't majored all their opponents....So if that's your standard, no one is living up to it, at least not this year.

So where's my bias? I said Conaway is round of 12 to low-mid AA, is that an outlandish prediction?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I didn't say a word about winning handily, that came from someone else and you jumped on it. No wrestler in D-1 this year that has wrestled the entire season has all majors techs and pins...Even Hodge frontrunners like Dieringer and Gwiazdowski haven't majored all their opponents....So if that's your standard, no one is living up to it, at least not this year.

So where's my bias? I said Conaway is round of 12 to low-mid AA, is that an outlandish prediction?

My reply to his post was about him "winning handily against all his other opponents" if that's not what you're talking about you have no reason to throw my name in your post regarding the matter but I'm not going to entertain this anymore

 

[MNkids2IA]

Some of them win the whole shebang! Since we only have one.................. go get'em Big Sam!

Has any other RS Freshman climbed the rankings more than Stoll? If he gets to the point where, 1. you can't lock up with him (already there). 2. You can't shoot on him (getting there). 3. You can't ride him (getting there) and 4. He has the potential to throw you no matter what the score, his potential is unpredictable.

 

[Sandor45]

Has any other RS Freshman climbed the rankings more than Stoll? If he gets to the point where, 1. you can't lock up with him (already there). 2. You can't shoot on him (getting there). 3. You can't ride him (getting there) and 4. He has the potential to throw you no matter what the score, his potential is unpredictable.

Stoll definitely presents a lot of problems to the opposition. Your typical shaved bear who relies on strength and weight with heavy feet isn't going to get it done against Stoll, no matter how high he's ranked or how successful they've been at NCAAs.
Only the select few guys who are athletic and nimble on their feet are going to beat Stoll. Guys like Gwiz, Coon, and that lanky tall heavy at Midlands are gonna present problems. McMullen from NW would have dismantled Stoll IMO.
That being said, not a lot of guys like a Coon or Gwiz out there, so I think Stoll will do pretty darn good at NCAAs.

 

[hawkeyecrazy]

Probably a "permanent suspension".[/QU That's a good one, could do some real damage and sentence them to wrestle for the Goofs the next few years if you really want to hurt 'em.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Per Cael today, Nevills is going to be back soon for PSU. So that makes it an even steeper hill. Going to need some guys to step up big time.

 

[Shafthawk]

If the same thing happened? Damn skippy I'd still be a Hawk wrestling fan. Id root for the football team too. Your problem is that you are holding a whole institution responsible for the acts of one asshole. You act like JoePa and a few of their admin guys were at the wheel of the "freecandy" van while Sandusky was snatching kids off the street and the fans lined the street cheering and the wrestlers led by Cael blocked the police from interfering.

Think about a guy that you admire and have been friends with for many years. Now, imagine him as a Chester. If JoePa erred, it was on the side of "who the hell would do such a thing?"

My problem is that you act like this is a systemic thing. For example, if Iowa wrestlers were at a party and and all of them were accused of rape and it was on video...then I could see your "shame" scenario. But what about just one or two?

So...just letting you know it just comes off as nonsense. If this is just a troll, get a better one because it has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling and there are no good reasons to be discussing Sandusky unless another inmate has the good fortune to shank him in the prison showers.

Ok, this has nothing to do with wrestling.

However, that incident was not a simple case of heinous acts by one sick individual. He committed the acts. The administration and almighty JoePa allowed it to remain hidden so the predator was able to continue doing heinous acts. They don't get a pass for that. If it was your kid, would you give them a free pass on the cover-up? I think not.

Don't kid yourselves, Football and the incredible dollars it generates has become so big, that an institution did what they thought was best for the program, over the best interests of innocent kids. That is disgusting. And if a similar thing happened at Iowa, I would be incredibly disgusted with the school and the Football program.

Penn State does not get looked down upon because they had a former coach who turned out to be a pedophile. They get looked down upon because of how they reacted to that scenario upon learning of it, and rightfully so. God help us if people can't see the difference.

 

[fleming24]

Per Cael today, Nevills is going to be back soon for PSU. So that makes it an even steeper hill. Going to need some guys to step up big time.

That's a pretty quick recovery from a torn pectoral muscle. I be surprised if Sanderson brings him back this season---pretty risky.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

That's a pretty quick recovery from a torn pectoral muscle. I be surprised if Sanderson brings him back this season---pretty risky.

My hs teammate had the same injury in November and came back to wrestle in the league and sectional tournaments in February it is possible to make a slightly quick recovery from it

 

[Azchief32]

Ok, this has nothing to do with wrestling.

However, that incident was not a simple case of heinous acts by one sick individual. He committed the acts. The administration and almighty JoePa allowed it to remain hidden so the predator was able to continue doing heinous acts. They don't get a pass for that. If it was your kid, would you give them a free pass on the cover-up? I think not.

Don't kid yourselves, Football and the incredible dollars it generates has become so big, that an institution did what they thought was best for the program, over the best interests of innocent kids. That is disgusting. And if a similar thing happened at Iowa, I would be incredibly disgusted with the school and the Football program.

Penn State does not get looked down upon because they had a former coach who turned out to be a pedophile. They get looked down upon because of how they reacted to that scenario upon learning of it, and rightfully so. God help us if people can't see the difference.

Damnit Shaft, this was supposed to be my bag on PSU week and you are going to make me defend them I get the emotions involved...like I said, I'd pay to have a bottle of fine whiskey smuggled into the the inmate that shanks him. However, at worst, you are talking about three or four people to include JoePa at best JoePa and those guys didn't know much about anything. The NCAA ended up having to take back a lot of sanctions to include the JoePa's wins being restored. The Freeh Report came off like a witch hunt and many of the folks involved are now considering lawsuits.

So let's go with your scenario...Three or four guys to include JoePa knew that something was going on and covered it up for the "good of the school." Was it a systemic cover-up? Did everybody know but decide, Welp that's Jerry? I believe a police officer investigated at one point and found nothing. Did JoePa shut down the investigation? No evidence was ever found of that.

Being in the military, we are always taught the ethical boundaries of following orders and what's an illegal order in our Law of Armed Conflict. For example, Nazi Germany is always used as an example of systemic moral/ethical failures. It wasn't only the cabal at the top but everybody down below that knew of the concentration camps. Can we make the same moral/ethical argument in this case? If there was sufficient evidence of a criminal cover-up, then how come, five years later, they haven't put the three administrators on trial? I don't really know but I do know it came to four or five people. JoePa is dead and three remain waiting for their trial. Based on the public outcry, if they had a slam dunk, these dudes would be in the pokie. Sorry but I don't think the alleged misdeeds of four men should reflect on hundreds of thousands of people. Plus, Cael and their wrestlers had absolutely nothing to do with it.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charges-penn-state-administrators-thrown-36451776