Folks are welcome to read the baloney if they prefer, but I don't think there are too many to ignore. I don't seem to have any trouble keeping the board clear of junk.
We are in trouble
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I didn't see the original post as I already had this goof on ignore. Hard to keep track of and ignore them all. New handles by the hour. I see a lot of one and done types supporting the Joe Pa/Sandusky line of reasoning. Ignore, ignore, hide, deny, deny, pay-offs, deny, continue the abuse, ignore, ignore, deny, deny, admit some culpability, deny, deny, pretend it never happened--back to business as usual.
Your entries on this board have officially become nauseating.
Agreed 100%. There is no such thing as too many to Ignore. It's as easy as it could possibly be, and your Iowa Wrestling experience on this board will improve by leaps and bounds. Guraranteed.
Just do it, you'll be glad you did.
Go Hawks!
nice win today Nebraska is respectable and it was never really in dout.hope sam brooks keeps his head up. pleased with cooper, worried about cory, he's to good to fart around with that guy,
As talented as Cory is, he really needs to figure out how to penetrate consistently on leg attacks. Even against average competition, he struggles to get in deep on a leg. Maybe part of it is the knee, but he hasn't really done it consistently all season. I'd like to see him develop a go-to shot and hit it consistently. I'm surprised he doesn't have one in his arsenal these days. He won't be able to dominate the best guys from the top position. Got to do some scoring from neutral. I'm trying to envision him scoring on Garrett from his feet. Not easy to visualize at this point.
Maybe, but that's not something he should be relying on. That's not much of a game plan, IMO.
I'll just give my relatively uniformed opinion on likely placement rather than high/low
Iowa
125 1st
133 3rd
141 NQ
149 2nd
157 r12
165 NQ
174 r 12
184 5th
197 2nd
Hwt 5th
PSU
125 3rd
133 8th
141 r12
149 1st
157 2nd
165 1-2
174 1st
184 r12
197 1st
Hwt NQ
Right now it looks like roughly equal #AA's, and PSU having higher placements and more bonus pts
Iowa 6 AA's - 1,2,2,3,5,5
PSU 3 champs 6 AA's - 1,1,1,2,3,8
Iowa
125 1st
133 3rd
141 NQ
149 2nd
157 r12
165 NQ
174 r 12
184 5th
197 2nd
Hwt 5th
PSU
125 3rd
133 8th
141 r12
149 1st
157 2nd
165 1-2
174 1st
184 r12
197 1st
Hwt NQ
Right now it looks like roughly equal #AA's, and PSU having higher placements and more bonus pts
Iowa 6 AA's - 1,2,2,3,5,5
PSU 3 champs 6 AA's - 1,1,1,2,3,8
There are so many things that predictions at this point in the year can't take into account. Even leaving out the insanity that happens every year during the tournament (#1 seeds going 0-2, unseeded guys getting to the finals, etc), seeding and match-ups are so important and with almost 2 months to go yet, a lot can change. It is easy to envision a scenario where Iowa, Penn St or Oklahoma State wins the title and all 3 could look better or worse going into (and coming out of) conference tournaments.
What I will say is that R12 and low AA guys tend to have the largest variance when it comes to scoring during the tournament. These are the guys who could get beat early and run into a high seed coming off an upset on the back and be out. They could also be the guys whose bracket opens up after an injury or upset and make a run into the top 6. While #1 seeds are great (and will score the greatest number of points over time), they are expected to score near the max of their potential. Because of that, predictions during the season tend to look too rosey for teams with many top guys while they look too dire for teams with many lower seeded guys.
To clarify, however, I'd still rather have the highly ranked guys and those teams will win more often than not. I'm simply saying that the variance of the rest of the season and the tournament will have a lot to say on who ultimately comes out on top. I can't wait!
What I will say is that R12 and low AA guys tend to have the largest variance when it comes to scoring during the tournament. These are the guys who could get beat early and run into a high seed coming off an upset on the back and be out. They could also be the guys whose bracket opens up after an injury or upset and make a run into the top 6. While #1 seeds are great (and will score the greatest number of points over time), they are expected to score near the max of their potential. Because of that, predictions during the season tend to look too rosey for teams with many top guys while they look too dire for teams with many lower seeded guys.
To clarify, however, I'd still rather have the highly ranked guys and those teams will win more often than not. I'm simply saying that the variance of the rest of the season and the tournament will have a lot to say on who ultimately comes out on top. I can't wait!
A lot of psu's success at nationals will depend on nolf and nickal. Both are elite talents but both are very young and untested on the big stage. I bet one goes down earlier than expected and it wouldn't surprise me if both do. It's just very hard to predict what redshirt freshman will do at their first national tourney.
Some of them win the whole shebang! Since we only have one.................. go get'em Big Sam!
I hate to even post this following Lyco's crybaby whine, but I vote to kill the Joe Pa/Sandusky crap once and for all.
Back to the topic.
Going to be a dog fight unless something in 6 weeks happens to any of the top four teams. Like injuries, health or any other problems.
Way I look at it, is the Hawks only have a problem if they themselves think they have the problem..They just have to believe in themselves and let the fur fly and then what happens happens. Don't stand around and wait for it to happen you are good enough to make it happen.JUST DO IT.
Going to be a dog fight unless something in 6 weeks happens to any of the top four teams. Like injuries, health or any other problems.
Way I look at it, is the Hawks only have a problem if they themselves think they have the problem..They just have to believe in themselves and let the fur fly and then what happens happens. Don't stand around and wait for it to happen you are good enough to make it happen.JUST DO IT.
The only reason I have a bit more hope this year is that the Hawkeyes seem to be scoring more bonus points this year than previously. That has been one of the big problems for the past few years - are team wins by decisions and Penn State is flipping guys like IHOP. If Iowa gets their equal share of bonus points then they certainly have a chance.
Prett fair assement although not sure Meyer/Brooks are anything more than 7/8 type AA's with how they have looked lately.
Heres how i see it on AA's
Gilman, 1st easily our best wrestler right now. Most improved returning starter on the team. Finalist and lock it in.
Clark, 4th/5th. Hes not looking very good on his feet and wasting aways 1st periods. But he looked vulnerable this time last year and pulled it together. Im worried about that knee.
Sorenson. 2/3. I have no idea why he isnt more of a TD machine, he has the tools. Last few matches have been very frustrating. I dont get it?
Meyer 7/8. Seems he is hot and cold. Luckily its a weaker wieght class but he also can look ver uninspiring.
Brooks 5-8. 184 is insane. pick a number out of a hat for 2-14. Brooks, Miklus, dudley and on and on all so inconsistantly Great or average on any given day. I feel the same for Sammy as Sorenson. No idea why he isnt a TD machine. So talented at times.
Burak 3/4th. Very improved but McIntosh just seems a bad matchup. Rather draw Cox in a semi but either way not good.
Stoll 7/8. Love how this kid is coming along but there are some older piranhas in this tank.
I dont think we have any round of 12 types. I dont have much faith in Cooper or Rhodes to out punt their coverage. Brody has the best chance to do this but havent seen it out of him yet.
PSU.
Nico 2nd. Finalist if not on same side as Gilman. NATO isnt going to keep up with either Nico or Gilman.
Conaway 5-8
Zain 1st. Champ and you can lock it in
Nolf 1/2. Still think IMAR regroups but could go either way. Finalist and lock it in.
Rasheed, posssible 7/8 if his tank gets better. But not sure it can, dude is a huge 165.
Nickal. 1/2. Finalist but not a lock.
McCutch. 5-8th see 184 comments about Brooks Miklus etc. If his knee is bad? Short of round 12
McIntosh. Finalist, lock it up.
So your looking at 1 for champ and 5 finalists for PSU compared to Iowas 1 champ and maybe 3 finalist depending on when Clark wants to turn on the switch. If we want me to be honest and if I had to bet my house on that. Give me 5 PSU finalist with 2 champs. 2 Iowa finalist and 1 champ in Gilman.
Just not enough Deep Horses against PSU again. Hmm where does one get deep horses. Recruiting?
Ohio State is the only realistic chance at catching PSU. Iowa and OK state and tOSU are playing for 2nd. IMO Iowa and Ok st are playing for 3rd which is why im still baffled JoJos shirt was pulled. Mike you should have had John call me on that one.
The frustrating thing is the Iowa guy out wrestling his seed at nationals seems like a thing of the past. Use to be like 70% of our guys would, now its like 10-20%. Why is this? Is Brands burning them out? Is the talent he recruited already maxed out and coached up to its ceiling during the season?
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Per the latest point totals based on intermat rankings this week we are way out of contention with basic points and we typically have gotten out bonus pointed as well which further widens the gap. We only have 5 top ten rated weights right now, 4 top 3 and Stoll with bordeline AA at #7. I don't realistically see 40 points hanging out, 174 and 184 would need to get in the top 4 to get in the neighborhood with Stoll also doing better than 7th. I really don't see more than 10 combined points from 141, 157 and 165 based on what we have now and that may be a stretch. Grothus pulling it all together and making a top 4 run is going to be needed to have a shot barring some under performing by PSU.
1 Penn State 122.5 Big Ten
2 Oklahoma State 101 Big 12
3 Ohio State 94.5 Big Ten
4 Iowa 83.5 Big Ten
1 Penn State 122.5 Big Ten
2 Oklahoma State 101 Big 12
3 Ohio State 94.5 Big Ten
4 Iowa 83.5 Big Ten
Good post. I kind of think Ohio St has the cushion to get more points with that score. Its basically sandbagging H. Strieber, Myles Martin and Kenny Courts. They all could out score there predictions. Heck look at Courts last year go on a NCAA run.
Likewise you got it right wheres as our unexpected point are hoping for Brody and really thats kind of it unless Brooks and Meyer just storm into the semi's at their classes. I think the talent is their and they can both pin but again were asking every one of our core 6 point getters to wrestle above there seeds. We just dont do that anymore like the gable years.
Ok St is interesting, i think there tally unlike Ohio State is more best case. it wouldnt take much for say Krutcmur or Marsden to slide down a few spots on the AA ladder.
if this was a stock market Id buy Ohio state right now and sell Ok St on those numbers. Id just keep my money on Iowa and keep watching that stock. If Brody beats thorn than i would buy. You would at least break even in march if not make a little.
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You should have been at the Nebraska meet sure as hell wasn't much attacking going on.
Look at their scores against common opponents...Gilman just as good if not better. I think this year's version of Gilman is a monster and will win it all.
Gilman is night and day on his pace, offense, angles etc. I use to be so frustrated with the Gilman last year who took too many straight on diving shots. Example is last season that Lambert match was a close tough hard to get a TD match for him. Last sunday he drove a semi through that gap. Almost had the major. Lambert is tough kid too. Fights hard.
Tomasello won't keep up with Mega or Gilman? In what folkstyle match has Gilman ever dominated Nate last I checked Nate has the last win in that series (call it stalling if you will) I'm not saying Nate can't lose to either but he's beaten Dance this season who owns a win over Mega and tbh I think he and Gilman are both ahead of Mega at this stage in the game. At 133 Conaway won't place he's rd of 12 at best for PSU and as much as I like Corey I don't see him placing at 165 either. The team race will be fun with the 4 all putting up a good fight but rn PSU is the front runner and the Bucks aren't far behind
You are giving Conway a chance at 5th after watching him get manhandled by Richards? You are an interesting Hawk fan. Same with Cutching sniffing 5th. You dogged on a couple of our guys while shooting the moon on those two. PSU clearly has the lead right now which is something we all knew going into the season so it surprises me to see so many fans seemingly just realizing it.
. PSU clearly has the lead right now which is something we all knew going into the season so it surprises me to see so many fans seemingly just realizing it.
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I think way too many people are overlooking Ohio State. Penn State is obviously the favorite, but the Buckeyes winning it again would not surprise me at all. Go Hawks!!!
Does every single post of your have to say something along the lines of Joe Pa/Sandusky. Christ let it go, that ship sailed a long time ago and to refer to someone in the same sentence as Sanduskyish is just flat out F'N stupid.
Why would you consider it ... stupid? Because, our society has no shame? Because no action is without forgiveness?
Why? Because arrogant posts by pen staters on an Iowa site, believe it or not, I am actually offended by that. When I see this particular pen state arrogance I attack it--with the truth. I understand people don't want this crap on the board, neither do I. However, I equate arrogant pen state posts with the same Joe Pa arrogance that ruined that institution's good name. It should be obvious to most that their are many, not all, but many pen state posters who still carry this same arrogance--they've apparently learned nothing.
Some don't like that I won't let my opinion "go" that pen state is a tainted institution of filth, with many supporters who would LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN FOR THE CRIMES OF JOE PA AND SANDUSKY TO BE FORGOTTEN?
The fact I have to hear from pen staters how great they are on an Iowa/pen state lite wrestling site sickens me. IF, as many allege, the institution of filth helped cover up the abuse allegations for years with payoffs, witness intimidation and firing whistle-blowers why are so many HERE so quick to forget about it and let pen staters rewrite their history. I'm beginning to think I'm in the minority when it comes to things like despising child-abuse, pedophiles, and people who now want to classify homo-sexual pedophilia as a normal act of love. In my eyes, this is as low as it goes.
I never thought I'd see the day when these things are the not completely reprehensible and without debate. Again, I only bring it up to remind those arrogant bast..rds that they've got more important things to do than pollute an Iowa site. Their arrogance created an environment where Sandusky could attack with impunity. When I see arrogant posts by pen staters it reminds me of the arrogance of Joe Pa and his ignorance and outright criminal actions as they related to his then friend and trusted assistant.
Arrogance created the Sandusky/Joe Pa legacy of abuse at pen state and the arrogance of pen state posters is what drives me to remind them that they have nothing, repeat nothing, to be proud about in Happy Valley. Our society today has no shame, but I still believe it serves a purpose.
If this happened in Iowa City I would burn every reminder of the institution and never look back. But then again, I don't wrap my own worth as man in the associations or accomplishments of others. I would also be too ashamed to admit any sort of affiliation, let alone brag about it.
Well now you're going to have Gabby all over you. I'm not sure who your one guy is, but it's the recruiting "stupid". Several posts have that view, however mine's the only one I can find flagged?
If you don't like the posts, attack the message. Answer me this...what did the Sandusky incident have to do with Cael and PSU wrestling? What did it have to do with 99.9% of Penn Staters? Nothing. It's a red herring provided by you to hit them with because of the success of the PSU program and some of their DBag fans. That's all.
86...when you are posting on wrestling, I enjoy your posts. But on this issue? You are lacking the plastic thingy that holds the six-pack together. C'mon on back to the circle of trust brother.
Come back after Big Ten and I guarantee we are not 40 points out of first place in the rankings.
I think we can very realistically make up 30 points from 141,174,184 within these Intermat rankings. I can easily seeing PSU dropping 10-20 points off that predictive model.
I still think we have the best shot at knocking them off.
