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"We have potential to be a good offensive team" - KF

Of course all coaches use some form of coach-speak, but you have to admit that KF is the absolute A-1 King of talking to the press and saying absolutely nothing. I have not bothered to listen to him talk for more than 2 minutes at a time for the past 10 or so years with the exception of his weekly press conference following the BF firing.
Concurred. The only time I've seen any media correspondence was when BF was involved. Outside of those debacles and maybe the "Smell a rat" response, which was funny, I don't think I've paid him any attention since about 2011. He undoubtedly likes it that way, I'm sure. He's as uninteresting in the press conferences as are the typically vetted questions being asked. He's wise, and can be quite humorous, of course, but outside of snippets here and there, if you've heard one press conference from him, you've heard them all. The guise of being humble in my opinion, which, of course, KF is has proven to be anything but. He definitely views himself on a pedestal after the BF fiasco. He'll never recover completely, especially if the offense really does get better almost immediately. It's odd but he's almost incentivized to do poorly to prove it was the talent rather than his son that was the problem as odd as that sounds. Of course, it was evident to anyone with a functional brain and even a remote concept of what offense is supposed to look like regarding what the problem is, and continues to be, but we're just little old fans that don't know what we're talking about in KF eyes.

I love KF in a lot of ways while absolutely loathing him in others. After 25 years, he's definitely had a lasting impact in my life. He's synonymous with Iowa football good and bad. Overall, I'd say he's been a great boon for us. I just wish he'd retire sooner rather than later. Football is a young man's game and we definitely need some innovative creativity.
 
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I think the truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle. Personally, I think BF was qualified for the OC job that he got in 2017. He was an all-conference offensive lineman for a P5 team. He analyzed, then was a position coach, on the offensive side of the ball in the NFL. He then became an OL coach for a P5 team and held that spot for 5 years, the last 2 of which he was also run-game coordinator. So remove the name "Ferentz" and if that person was hired as OC at Iowa, I think most would say the career progression would indicate he was qualified.

Then, in his first 4 years, his offense avg'd 28, 31, 26, and 31 ppg....which was good for 66th, 44th, 88th, and 40th in the country in scoring offense....an avg ranking of right at 60th (we'd kill for being ranked 60th in ppg this year). Then even the first half of the 5th year (2021), he avg'd 32 ppg which on it's own would have been ranked around 35th. But then starting with the Purdue game in 2021 thru the end of his tenure, he avg'd 17 (back half of 2021), 18, and 15 ppg, which was damn near DFL in all of D1.

So what happened? I think it came down to 3 factors:

1. The first failure happened by naming BF the QB coach and removing him as TE coach in 2022. He was in no way qualified to coach QBs and it showed immediately. While I wasn't a huge fan of KOK, he did know how to coach QBs, especially in Iowa's system which asks alot of it's QBs in setting protections, audibles, etc. I think that transition started in the back half of 2021 and it showed. Then 2022 and 2023 happened.

2. The 2nd corresponding failure was in recruiting. The number of misses on the OL, QB, and WR was astounding. Some of that is attributable to Polacek and Copeland being terrible recruiters, but ultimately that fell on BF (and KF) for allowing it and signing off on it. The result was having a green and incapable offensive line, an avg QB (but terrible at facing any pressure), and no one to throw the ball to.

3. The final failure was BF's stubbornness to adapt to the personnel hand he was dealt, whether thru lack of talent or the injury bug (particularly in 2023). I don't buy that he was following orders from the old man because I can distinctly remember 2004 and losing nearly our entire RB group and coming out of the bye week with nearly an entire new offense that KOK put together. KF obviously didn't have an issue with going to a more pass oriented offense then, and I doubt he would have this time either. It was BF's hubris that he's always the smartest guy in the room coupled with his lack of knowledge in more sophisticated passing game concepts that ultimately resulted in what we witnessed in 2022 and 2023 (with 2023 being probably more about injuries than lack of talent, but he still didn't adapt to those injuries).

I think he proved a capable OC early in his tenure, when he had the type of players he wanted to run his scheme. But he was ultimately undone by a lack of talent coupled with his inability to adapt to the hand he was dealt and constantly thinking he was smarter than anyone else. Couple that with the fact that he was just a complete asshole, and well, it probably made the decision that much easier (and he proved that with his refusal to wear team gear after being fired).
 
Triggered!!!
Every time you post.

Iowa is not installing a spread offense. Why do you keep calling for it?

You regularly call out one of the better football coaches of all-time and one of the most important citizens in the history of the state of Iowa.

Is there something about you I'm supposed to feel some sort of affinity for?
 
since I think he is offensively R worded I would feel great if he said it was going to suck.
 
I think the truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle. Personally, I think BF was qualified for the OC job that he got in 2017. He was an all-conference offensive lineman for a P5 team. He analyzed, then was a position coach, on the offensive side of the ball in the NFL. He then became an OL coach for a P5 team and held that spot for 5 years, the last 2 of which he was also run-game coordinator. So remove the name "Ferentz" and if that person was hired as OC at Iowa, I think most would say the career progression would indicate he was qualified.

Then, in his first 4 years, his offense avg'd 28, 31, 26, and 31 ppg....which was good for 66th, 44th, 88th, and 40th in the country in scoring offense....an avg ranking of right at 60th (we'd kill for being ranked 60th in ppg this year). Then even the first half of the 5th year (2021), he avg'd 32 ppg which on it's own would have been ranked around 35th. But then starting with the Purdue game in 2021 thru the end of his tenure, he avg'd 17 (back half of 2021), 18, and 15 ppg, which was damn near DFL in all of D1.

So what happened? I think it came down to 3 factors:

1. The first failure happened by naming BF the QB coach and removing him as TE coach in 2022. He was in no way qualified to coach QBs and it showed immediately. While I wasn't a huge fan of KOK, he did know how to coach QBs, especially in Iowa's system which asks alot of it's QBs in setting protections, audibles, etc. I think that transition started in the back half of 2021 and it showed. Then 2022 and 2023 happened.

2. The 2nd corresponding failure was in recruiting. The number of misses on the OL, QB, and WR was astounding. Some of that is attributable to Polacek and Copeland being terrible recruiters, but ultimately that fell on BF (and KF) for allowing it and signing off on it. The result was having a green and incapable offensive line, an avg QB (but terrible at facing any pressure), and no one to throw the ball to.

3. The final failure was BF's stubbornness to adapt to the personnel hand he was dealt, whether thru lack of talent or the injury bug (particularly in 2023). I don't buy that he was following orders from the old man because I can distinctly remember 2004 and losing nearly our entire RB group and coming out of the bye week with nearly an entire new offense that KOK put together. KF obviously didn't have an issue with going to a more pass oriented offense then, and I doubt he would have this time either. It was BF's hubris that he's always the smartest guy in the room coupled with his lack of knowledge in more sophisticated passing game concepts that ultimately resulted in what we witnessed in 2022 and 2023 (with 2023 being probably more about injuries than lack of talent, but he still didn't adapt to those injuries).

I think he proved a capable OC early in his tenure, when he had the type of players he wanted to run his scheme. But he was ultimately undone by a lack of talent coupled with his inability to adapt to the hand he was dealt and constantly thinking he was smarter than anyone else. Couple that with the fact that he was just a complete asshole, and well, it probably made the decision that much easier (and he proved that with his refusal to wear team gear after being fired).
Great post until your 3 factors, although some of it I agree with.

I agree BF should not have been the QB coach. I'm not calling it the #1 reason for Iowa's struggles on offense though (although you may not have been ranking your factors in order).

Did you ever consider that the racial suit has hurt recruiting? It certainly hasn't helped.

Recruiting misses did not leave Iowa with a green and incapable O-line. It was a storm of various attrition. And the greenness of the replacements was compounded by them losing Doyle at the same time that they lost developmental workouts during the Covid shutdown.

Yes, the immobility of Petras coupled with that green line was a huge issue.

But there was also significant attrition at receiver that year that had nothing to do with recruiting misses.

You are correct, Iowa was running more of a BF offense than a KF offense over the years. A lot of Patriots' concepts in there.

And for the record, from where I sat, which was a grossly under informed position, I never thought BF had a great feel as a play-caller. But at what point was BF supposed to have "gone to a more pass oriented offense"? He already threw the ball a hell of a lot. And that just wouldn't have been the adjustment to make with Hill playing last season.

BF did adjust to the hand he was dealt with in Hill. He pared everything down and tried to limit the big mistake, just like they do, even in the NFL, with a backup QB. I'll agree that BF did not adjust enough. I'm not sure what your adjustment would have been. But I would have ran the ball a hell of a lot more under Hill.

In 2022, the main problem with the offense was an awful O-line that was forced into action before their time. It's that simple. Yes, there were other factors compounding things. But those were all things that could have navigated around with a serviceable O-line.

2023's struggles were due to an O-line that was still below average, at best, combined with a very poor backup QB. Yes, there were other compounding factors. As I've said, I think the most appropriate adjustment once Hill took over would have been "three yards and a cloud of dust." But any coach could have tried about any scheme with that offense and gotten about the same results.

I don't know the reasoning for BF losing the Hawkeye attire. I didn't think it was a great look. But the team did rally around him and played better down the stretch after the announcement to let him go was made. His personality may not have been for everybody. But I can tell you there are a lot of asshole football coaches out there and the team seemed to respond to him and have his back. That's really all that matters.

The important part is that KF was able to navigate the circumstances to 10 wins last season and a bowl win the previous season
 
Yeah, but that was with a healthy McNamara.
We were also hearing that the offensive line was looking good too. And then the season started

Look, I do think/hope the offense will be much improved this year. I just don't put a lot of credence in anything that the staff says regarding the offense being good before the season starts. I also believe that the fact that Brian is gone and there is a new guy with new ideas should give everyone hope that things are going to be different this time around.
 
We were also hearing that the offensive line was looking good too. And then the season started

Look, I do think/hope the offense will be much improved this year. I just don't put a lot of credence in anything that the staff says regarding the offense being good before the season starts. I also believe that the fact that Brian is gone and there is a new guy with new ideas should give everyone hope that things are going to be different this time around.
I agree. A lot of it is coach speak. A coach isn't going to say we're going to suck this year on offense, defense or whatever.
 
We were also hearing that the offensive line was looking good too. And then the season started

Look, I do think/hope the offense will be much improved this year. I just don't put a lot of credence in anything that the staff says regarding the offense being good before the season starts. I also believe that the fact that Brian is gone and there is a new guy with new ideas should give everyone hope that things are going to be different this time around.
That’s true. That said, the OL was about as injured as Cade. That, and they were set up to fail 9 out of every 10 plays.

You had a very injured OL blocking for a QB who was no threat to run or pass, with the most predictable offense to ever see a football field since the forward pass was invented.

So, yes, Lucy has pulled that football a few times in a row, but it might not be Lucy holding the football this year.

You obviously agree, there is reason to believe it will be different. It’s definitely going to appear different. The only question is, will it be somebody else holding the football, or is just Lucy wearing a mask.
 
Did he have to keep putting Hill out there? Did he have to sign off on bringing Hill to Iowa City in the first place, a kid who, otherwise, was heading to Fordham? LOL

KF has always been his own worst enemy when it comes to offense. Lainez would have been a far, far better option when Cade went down last season. Hill had no experience and no talent, but that's who KF chose. And even after repeated failures, including the greatest sin of all, turnovers, KF continued to play the guy. Now that's just plain crazy. Period.
Lainez would not have been a better option last year.
 
I think Kirk said something similar to this last summer. I'll just sit back and hope for the best.
Kind of related, but I swear there are always articles/reports after the spring game or prior to the home opener that our WR Room ‘could pleasantly surprise’ people.🤪 I hear that year after year….still waiting….😉
 
Kind of related, but I swear there are always articles/reports after the spring game or prior to the home opener that our WR Room ‘could pleasantly surprise’ people.🤪 I hear that year after year….still waiting….😉
I parroted the same lines last year and it was clear after game one I was wrong. A change in management was required and a new OC brings renewed hope.
 
I parroted the same lines last year and it was clear after game one I was wrong. A change in management was required and a new OC brings renewed hope.
Cade brought a lot of preseason hype last year, but after Cade’s game against WMU,
the PSU game and his going down a week later, it was pretty clear that we were in for the SOS, if not worse, which it turned out to be. The team was hurting badly for an OC and even worse for a QB coach. Hoping for a very healthy QB room, top to bottom, this upcoming season, especially Cade.
 
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