We Told You the Truth about Covid (and a Whole Lot More)
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Nope the flu data is not in the link you posted. You lie once again. You got it from the internet and not through your own "mind blowing research". And even if you did get covid numbers, those covid numbers were debunked by the thread comment. So GTFOH with your crap.
Of course I did
The internet has links to all kinds of peer reviewed research.
Including your Cochrane report that explicitly states their conclusion is weak in claiming masks don't work.
Thanks for admitting you got it from Faust
The Cochrane review explicitly states there is no evidence masks work. Thanks for finally coming clean.
Go visit the link I posted. That's CDC data, not Faust.
Are you unable to read that link? The raw data are right there, sorted by year.
There is no flu data in that link. Your post was not just about covid. Strikingly, your post included the exact figures from Faust who wrote articles in Bloomberg and such. Strange isn't it? Strange that the CDC data includes a lot of deaths that aren't really covid deaths....
There most certainly is.
Are you incapable of reading it?
They have tabular data dating back to the 2020s.
Ah yes, Joe getting his "information" from the totally boneheaded Jeremy Faust. One of the most pathetic people out there spreading crap.
1/ This is not a "great figure" by @jeremyfaust. It's actually incredibly dishonest. As usual, Dr. Faust compares apples to oranges in order to exaggerate the impact of Covid on children. 🧵
2/ For flu deaths, Faust uses deaths from CDC WONDER with the *underlying* cause of death listed as influenza on the death certificate (CDC says this "may drastically underrepresent" the flu burden). He doesn't use flu burden estimates or influenza & pneumonia combined.
3/ For Covid deaths, Faust uses deaths from CDC's NCHS where Covid is listed *anywhere* on the death certificate. Per CDC, for ~25% of these pediatric deaths, Covid is NOT the *underlying* cause of death. For January 2022, the difference is 103 from WONDER vs 156 from NCHS!
4/ In addition to Faust's complete dishonesty of comparing multiple CoD data for Covid with underlying CoD data for flu, we also test much, much more COVID than we did for flu, which further exacerbates the differences in metrics for these two diseases.
Here's some examples of "covid deaths" included with Joe's data. You're an IDIOT!
This is utter comedy here.
The screencaps you used are from 2022. The data I'd posted is from January 2023.
Here is the actual thread to posted this BS from:
Here are 3 posts I made in January, 2023, from the link I'd provided to you, with the provisional deaths numbers at the time (they have updated since then)
January 6, 2023:
Is COVID a Common Cold Yet?
In multivariable analysis,the bivalent vaccinated state was independently associated with lower risk of COVID-19 (HR, .70; 95%C.I., .61-.80), leading to an estimated vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 30% (95% CI, 20-39%). Compared to last exposure to SARS-CoV-2 within 90 days, last exposure 6-9...
iowa.forums.rivals.com
January 7, 2023:
Study Finds Inflammatory Heart Condition Myocarditis in 37 of 1,597 (2.3%) B1G Athletes After They Tested Positive for Covid
Or you’re a hyper-partisan nut job who has been radicalized by right-wing propaganda. MAGA = mental illness Not sure why you try to debate with someone who has a mental illness
iowa.forums.rivals.com
January 8, 2023:
The coronavirus is speaking. It’s saying it’s not done with us.
Eric Topol is a professor of molecular medicine at Scripps Research. There’s no sugar-coating it: The world has let its guard down on covid-19. And the virus’s latest dominant form, XBB.1.5, makes clear that we’re doing so just as the virus finds new ways to hurt us. The new dominant strain...
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So, specifically, HOW did I "copy" something from Faust, when he clearly did not have any of the 2022 full-year data in May of 2022 when your anti-vaxx Covidiot made those twitter posts.
I've reposted the data from that same CDC site since January, and used the updated numbers, since the data come in sporadically and often delayed by months. And this is due to county coroners passing the deaths information on to state systems, which then report them to CDC. And that process can take many weeks for final numbers to be recorded. Some states get that info to CDC within a week or so; others are much slower.
As you can clearly see, I've posted this Covid vs influenza data on this board as of nearly 2 months ago. So, if your claim is "I got it from Faust", then go find where Faust has posted the EXACT numbers I provided to you, before I did it.
And, your earlier claims (and this twitter troll's claims) that covid is tested more than flu are complete BS. If a child dies from flu or Covid, they've been tested for it, because when they get THAT sick, antivirals targeting the specific disease are used to keep them alive. They do not "guess" that a very sick child has influenza, they TEST for it, and they give that kid the best antiviral meds they can find.
Idiot.
Q.E.D.
Most children who died from Covid had Pre-existing Conditions
My contention has always been (and data shows) that many, many more kids were hurt in a substantial way by the school lockdowns than those who actually died from COVID. The fact's also bear out that the majority of kids who did die from COVID had pre-existing conditions. This was a Sh!t show from the start and was handled all wrong.
We should have sheltered ALL those that had pre-existing conditions and then handled everyone else in a different manner. But, the damage is done now....so we must move forward.
My contention has always been (and data shows) that many, many more kids were hurt in a substantial way by the school lockdowns than those who actually died from COVID. The fact's also bear out that the majority of kids who did die from COVID had pre-existing conditions. This was a Sh!t show from the start and was handled all wrong.
We should have sheltered ALL those that had pre-existing conditions and then handled everyone else in a different manner. But, the damage is done now....so we must move forward.
It's the same with influenza.
What is odd here, is you imply these children don't matter.
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You REALLY want to stick with that? Where did I say that those children don't matter? Please quote where I said those kids don't matter. I CLEARLY stated that they should have been protected. But, that blows your whole narrative apart...so you choose to make something up. LOL.
Why else would you post this?
Are kids with pre-existing risk factors most likely to die from Covid? Yep.
From influenza? Yep.
In 2022, ~4x more of them died from Covid than flu. But you continue to want to imply that Covid isn't "serious". It was something like the top 5 cause of deaths in children; which ain't peanuts.
Please, just stop while you are behind. You could not provide any instance of where I said those kids don't matter....and then to one up yourself, you claim I said "Covid was not serious.". Tell you what, I will give you one more chance....prove where I said that it was not serious. Look, I think car accidents are VERY serious which is why I support all the cautions we have with driving...while still supporting people being on the roads.
I posted what I did to point out there was a BETTER way to handle the pandemic. You are choosing to ignore (and I have no idea why) the great cost to our kids from the steps taken with them during the pandemic. Childhood deaths that you cited needed context...which you refused to supply. I even asked the group earlier in this thread if anyone knew then numbers for Children with Pre-existing conditions. I saw no reply from you on that, so I grabbed the data myself. See, I wanted to get ALL children through this with as little harm as possible.
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Then why would you make a post akin to "it's just kids with pre-existing conditions"?
Whether they have a pre-existing medical condition, or not, they are still kids. And Covid has killed around 4x the number flu has. That's simply a fact, whether it's a fact you want to recognize, or not.
So, let me get this straight. I can infer that you want online schools for ALL kids right now. And, continued Masking for ALL kids right now? I can set this in stone for you on this...correct?
What is the "better way" to handle a pandemic?
Because the more kids you infect/expose, the more die. Particularly, early on in a pandemic, when we have not yet identified ways to treat them, or have any effective medications to provide them?
We still do not have a firm handle on how many of the kids exposed (w/o vaccinations) may have long-term sequelae from Covid. We already know that it's causing lots of heart and other conditions to those who were exposed, and we're seeing data that vaccines may lower the rates of those problems.
If we'd opened schools wide up, MANY more kids would have been exposed w/o access to vaccines. Prevalence of Long Covid in kids is around 25%. We still do not know whether that will result in other long-term health problems; we know for a fact, that for adults a significant number end up with long term health issues.
So, is "letting the virus spread, unchecked" a wise option, given that we have no idea if this could generate serious long term consequences for children? Is that a risk worth taking?
Nope. I've never stated that. In fact, now that everyone has access to vaccines, it would seem to be overkill.
When we had no vaccines available for kids, it was probably a prudent decision. What if, of the 25% of kids who get Long Covid, half of those develop a long-term medical condition, which could be mostly prevented with vaccines?
Would that we a wise thing to risk "everyone being in school and being infected"?
Please understand that I never said I was not good with mitigation at the beginning. I was totally on board with keeping schools closed BEFORE the vaccine was available. But after children started getting the vaccine, many, many schools remained closed for a LONG time. You know this. Either the Vaccine was good or it wasn't...and we were assured that not only was it good, but that you could not get Covid after you got the shot (a lie). And also to be clear...I am not anti-vaccine. I and my family have gotten every shot we could.
The same could be said for unknown effects from the shot...correct? What if young kids develop issues from the shot that we have not seen yet? We actually have already seen some in young adults. Do their lives not count? Again, my point was that we should NOT have kept schools closed once we had access to the vaccine....but that did not happen and it is a travesty.
No; the vaccines are well established as safe.
In stark contrast, exposure to the virus can cause heart, kidney and lung problems; and evidence is growing that the vaccines are protective of those long-term sequelae.
Did they?
Kids didn't get the vaccines until the 2022 school year summer/beginning. How many schools have been closed since then? Vaccines were not available to them thru late spring, 2022 for younger kids; 2021 for the older ones.
This is patently FALSE
The vaccines were NEVER claimed to be 100% effective. On initial rollout, they were listed at ~90% effective.
We did not know at the time, but know now, that the Covid virus mutates and makes them even less effective. But practically NO ONE has been re-infected with the original variants, because the combo of natural and vaccinated immunity eliminated them.
You seem to be woefully ignorant on basic epidemiology here.
Actually, the vaccine can cause both myocarditis or pericarditis in young adults (this is proven)...which can be VERY serious. However, that would not change my view that the vaccine is still the way to go. But, my belief in that does not mean the lives of those affect by myocarditis or pericarditis are unimportant.
Sure, but effective at what?,.. that's where the goal post manipulation arose...
This is just wrong. Our kids (and all kids between the age of 12 and 15) had access to and received Pfizer's vaccine in 2021. Their schools remained closed well in 2022.
What "goalpost manipulation"?
The original studies identified 90% efficacy against re-infection. That's what they showed.
Over time, that 90% did not hold up against variants, and with immune system antibody levels that dropped.
Those subsequent learnings WERE NOT AVAILABLE early on. How is this "lying" or "manipulation"? We didn't even know at the time, how quickly Covid would mutate. Is that "scientists fault" they did not have a crystal ball, or time machine handy?
You needed to pay better attention to our President - In July of 2021 - I remember this......
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden offered an absolute guarantee Wednesday that people who get their COVID-19 vaccines are completely protected from infection, sickness and death from the coronavirus.
...and the younger kids could not get vaccines UNTIL spring 2022.
Your kids were back in school for the START of the 2022/2023 season. As were most.
If your school district didn't reopen, that's a question for them. Many did reopen. Based upon the local re-infection and pandemic conditions facing their local areas.
"absolute guarantee"
Uh huh.
Were you angry that Trump told you that cases would be "down to zero" in 2020?
Except that these conditions are BOTH:
- Caused by the virus, at MUCH higher rates
- More serious when caused by the virus
I've had a hard time understanding how the "Pro-Life" crowd gets so angry when you actually try to implement policies that keep people alive. It's almost like they're not actually Pro-Life at all.
LOL......I never said I was happy with anything Trump said. But see, he is not my President right now...is he? You just don't want to admit anything that doesn't fit your argument. But, yes an AP fact check of Biden's statements is a lie. Just amazing 🤣
AP Fact Checks Biden's False claim about COVID Vaccine to the country
I am pro life and I am all for policies that keep people alive...Including the Unborn child.
I have not seen any studies that compare the rates between the two. Can you link? I am aware of the heart issues from COVOD as well.
Protection from infection,,. to protection from transmission,.. to protection from hospitalization,.. to protection from death,.. to superior protection vs natural transmission,... to just shut up and take it if you want to keep your job... But perhaps you missed all that.
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines
The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.
Risk of Myocarditis After Sequential Doses of COVID-19 Vaccine and SARS-CoV-2 Infection by Age and Sex
Background: Myocarditis is more common after severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination, but the risks in younger people and after sequential vaccine do
www.ahajournals.org
No, my kids WERE NOT back at the start of 2022. Good grief. And, my cousin's district in Cali stayed closed even longer than ours. That was my point
And additional point of fact, 5-11 year olds could get the shot in 2021.
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Thanks. Had not seen those.COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines
The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.www.heart.org
Risk of Myocarditis After Sequential Doses of COVID-19 Vaccine and SARS-CoV-2 Infection by Age and Sex
Background: Myocarditis is more common after severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination, but the risks in younger people and after sequential vaccine dowww.ahajournals.org
