I feel like this should be obvious, but it doesn't seem to register with the majority of this board.
What is Iowa missing?
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You just don't get it do you Spoons...............it's All M* fault. damit........get with the program !!!Originally posted by Spoons:
Here's a few things to think about guys.
125: Gilman is something like 9-1 now against Tomasello and Delgado was a eyelash from beating him in the semis. I'll take those odds for Gilman any day of the week and Tomasello. Gilman can beat anybody and he will prove it in 2 weeks.
133: Clark was 7 seconds from taking the #1 ranked kid in out and wrestling pretty damn good right now.
141: Taking out Dardanes does nothing for you guys? Tough crowd. Seriously he had a Great tournament and looks poised to be a top 5 guy at NCAAS.
149: Oh my god he's 1-1 vs the defending National Champ and worse case senerio a 4 seed at Nationals as a Freshemen. Probably finishes there worse case senerio also.
157: Kelly gives it his all but just not talented enough. He would have been GREAT 10-20 years ago!!
165: Moore IS not near 100% probably closer to 50% probably get in trouble for that but if u only new.
174: While Evans is not real flashly he is the 3rd best kid at his weight. TOUGH crowd if being a 3 time AA and the 3rd best kid in the country is just ok.
184: If not for a Brainfart with 6 seconds to go Sammy's in the finals. Sammy only lost to Dechow by 1 and is right there with anybody not named Dean. Plus not winning BIGS probably helped him and put him on the other side of Dean now.
197o you guys realize how close Burak was to beating Synder and Schiller? He has closed the gap on Schiller for sure. Worst case Scenerio he gets 6th at Nationals and after watching him live this weekend he Does have a pretty good shot at 3rd.
Hwt: Bob had it won outright for us until he lost his balance fighting off a shot. He's the 3 seed at Nationals and I Like his chances to win it all!!!
If I might be serious a moment. Can't hold the focus much longer than a moment of course.
GREAT POST Spoons !!! You're right. A bit of out of focus whining by some here who should know better.
Seems a lot of the crying is coming from very recent additions to the board here. Newly minted posters and such.
At least they will mostly all be gone in about 2 weeks.
Excellent post.
What's missing? Most has been covered here. 1 take-down by Iowa wrestlers in the FOUR 1st place matches AND FOUR 3rd place matches on Sunday afternoon. The final eight matches in total for the Hawks. ONE TAKE-DOWN, Telford @HWT in a match he ended up losing.
Here's a few extra thoughts which are relative to where Iowa is and was as a program. Iowa is essentially competing each year with approximately 8-10 other D1 schools for the team title:
1-Can't finish take-downs??? Strength and foot speed go along way in helping guys finish.
2-Use common sense to evaluate the talent once in the room and put guys at the weight where they will have the most upside. Allowing the wrestlers to figure it out is BS. Have a plan and follow it.
3-After 2 years, if a guy is not making big strides move on--using resources on guys that aren't improving quickly is a waste (hoping for these sorts to turn out to be Dan Dennis is unlikely) .
4- The "weak" Guys who are small @ a weight and struggle greatly with stronger wrestler need to bulk up and at the same time cut more weight and/or move down in weight--if guys are getting horsed and blown off their feet at a weight, either commit to a rigorous strength program or move down a weight. You can't expect to be elite when you are both small and slow footed at a given weight. Technique, heart and conditioning can only go so far with a more level playing field--there will always be a short ceiling for these sort of wrestlers.
5-The "Slow " footed guys need to bulk up and move up in weight class. From neutral these slow footed guys are getting nothing when they face top level guys. The scrambles are where these guys are also very vulnerable--seems like the ankle is always hanging and is always getting caught. Moving up a weight class while adding strength and size helps negate the problem somewhat. Have a plan in the off-season and follow it.
Again, evaluate objectively or have an outside source do it and develop a plan. If you are going to stick with the same guys for 5 years at least dictate at what weight they need to wrestle and give them the best strength and foot speed coaching available.
My personal opinion is this senior class was a problem from day 1 for Brands and Company. Too many wash-outs, too many early "issues," and too many guys thinking this class was better than what they were athletically. There didn't seem to be a plan to fix the weaknesses some of these guys had or the wrestlers did not buy into the proposed fixes. Either way there is unfinished business.
They still have St. Louis, but they will need all ten guys to wrestle like their lives depended on it.
Most would not be fans of Iowa Wrestling if not for extremely high and unrealistic expectations--this is Iowa Wrestling. This is a given.Originally posted by Kwoodhawk:
You just don't get it do you Spoons...............it's All M* fault. damit........get with the program !!!
If I might be serious a moment. Can't hold the focus much longer than a moment of course.
GREAT POST Spoons !!! You're right. A bit of out of focus whining by some here who should know better.
Seems a lot of the crying is coming from very recent additions to the board here. Newly minted posters and such.
At least they will mostly all be gone in about 2 weeks.
IF you told me 8 different schools would crown a Big 10 Champ yesterday and Iowa would not be one of them, I'd have said you were crazy.
IF you told me in the final 8 matches on Sunday of the Big 10 Championship that Iowa would secure ONE take-down, I'd have said you were crazy.
IF you would have told me the Nationally #1 rated recruiting class committed to the University of Iowa 5 years ago and out of that class there would be ZERO Big Ten Champions, I'd have said you were crazy.
Call me crazy. I expect more, not moore of the same.
This post was edited on 3/9 9:11 AM by 86_90
That seems to be a very, very odd way of looking at things. If one of those five Seniors did not pan out you have to assume that's on him. When five out of five Seniors do not pan out, it seems odd to congratulate the coaches for doing fairly well even though none of their recruits are performing up to expectations. I would think the more logical reaction would be to question whether the coaching staff is failing its wrestlers.
I think he was trying to say Brands and Company did ok with the group of kids they brought in, but they brought in the wrong type of kids which could be becoming a trend. I agree that the current group of seniors are as a group the wrong type of kids for the type of wrestling Brands and Company want to see represent the program.
I thought that was the main point he was trying to make. To your point, it's valid as well and should be addressed. It seems to me they signed up a big class, used a lot of resources and the kids were not able to execute the Brands game-plan. Again, to support and agree with your point, if the talent is not capable of executing the game-plan, then the game-plan needs to adjusted or the wrestlers benched. Brands and Company have appeared to have done neither so they are at fault.
When I say they did not pan out, I am saying that overall the class has not been a barn burner. I mean Evans and Telford are both probably going to be 3 time AA's that is not too shabby and most programs would be tickled pink with those results.
However, so far Kelly, Jeva, and Moore (although I thought for sure last year was going to be his year) have not been on the stand yet and that hurts a teams title hopes. It is different if a kid does not meet expectations and you can replace him with another, but that has not been the case with this group of kids.
It is possible to say the coaches have gotten the most out of the kids and also say the kids did not pan out. They simply did not meet the expectations of the fans. I've said this before. A lot of it comes down to recruiting. Do you guys think by superior coaching you can beat an IMar with a Kelly? The coaching gap isn't that wide.
I personally have a ton of respect for Moore. The guy has been there for 5 years. You have never heard a negative word come out of his mouth. He has always represents the team with class. In my opinion something is not right there, but he is too much of a man to complain. Maybe he has let some fans down, but he has been in that room for 5 years and I would be proud as heck of him if he were my son.
PS.. I still think the Hawks win in St Louis. They have the best "team" the other contenders have some of the best "individuals" but no real "team".
However, so far Kelly, Jeva, and Moore (although I thought for sure last year was going to be his year) have not been on the stand yet and that hurts a teams title hopes. It is different if a kid does not meet expectations and you can replace him with another, but that has not been the case with this group of kids.
It is possible to say the coaches have gotten the most out of the kids and also say the kids did not pan out. They simply did not meet the expectations of the fans. I've said this before. A lot of it comes down to recruiting. Do you guys think by superior coaching you can beat an IMar with a Kelly? The coaching gap isn't that wide.
I personally have a ton of respect for Moore. The guy has been there for 5 years. You have never heard a negative word come out of his mouth. He has always represents the team with class. In my opinion something is not right there, but he is too much of a man to complain. Maybe he has let some fans down, but he has been in that room for 5 years and I would be proud as heck of him if he were my son.
PS.. I still think the Hawks win in St Louis. They have the best "team" the other contenders have some of the best "individuals" but no real "team".
An interesting thread that sprang up after Big10 Tourny last year.
Curious lack of pen state hate.
Curious lack of pen state hate.
Yeah, I know. It's just negative and I don't need to relive it.
Bitter pill. I'll just keep bumping it for the next week so we can all see a small part of the growth of PSU's dynasty momentum.
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