When does Trump send US troops into Ukraine to fight against Ukraine?
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It's what he wants so he can blame Trump when US troops start coming home in boxes and in pieces. What a crazy, selfish, little prick he is........
He's a Russian asset. Putin controls him and he hates Ukraine. Why wouldn't he?
Does anyone on here really understand what is going on or the history of why the war is going on?
In 1994 Clinton and the UN were establishing the presence of force within Western Europe. Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin had a treaty that it would NEVER get into Eastern Europe.
Over years, we and the UN have started moving a presence into Eastern Europe. Republican and Democrat presidents have been guilty of that.
In 2013 Biden went to Ukraine to broker a treaty between Russia and Ukraine that Ukraine wouldn't be in the UN.
2021 the talks of Ukraine becoming an UN member and Putin invaded after giving plenty of warnings he didn't want Ukraine in the UN.
Why is this such a big deal... Well we didn't like the Soviets moving military presence into Cuba in the 60's.
Ask yourself if China, Iran (and other Middle Eastern countries), Russia and others got together and formed a pact with Canada and Mexico. Then started moving a large military force and weapons into Canada and Mexico all after they signed treaty after treaty saying they wouldn't.
The US and UN have been playing the game of Risk since 1994. This global world crap needs to stop.
The Ukraine/Russian war is on us. Political corruption caused this war. Many people's lives were ended because of the corruption. This war is Biden's and the UN's Vietnam.
In 1994 Clinton and the UN were establishing the presence of force within Western Europe. Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin had a treaty that it would NEVER get into Eastern Europe.
Over years, we and the UN have started moving a presence into Eastern Europe. Republican and Democrat presidents have been guilty of that.
In 2013 Biden went to Ukraine to broker a treaty between Russia and Ukraine that Ukraine wouldn't be in the UN.
2021 the talks of Ukraine becoming an UN member and Putin invaded after giving plenty of warnings he didn't want Ukraine in the UN.
Why is this such a big deal... Well we didn't like the Soviets moving military presence into Cuba in the 60's.
Ask yourself if China, Iran (and other Middle Eastern countries), Russia and others got together and formed a pact with Canada and Mexico. Then started moving a large military force and weapons into Canada and Mexico all after they signed treaty after treaty saying they wouldn't.
The US and UN have been playing the game of Risk since 1994. This global world crap needs to stop.
The Ukraine/Russian war is on us. Political corruption caused this war. Many people's lives were ended because of the corruption. This war is Biden's and the UN's Vietnam.
He doesn't have to, he's already done enough to cripple Ukraine.
Now, I wouldn't put it past him to sell weapons to both sides.
He needs to watch it though withholding weaponry or the MIC may schedule a trip to Dallas for him
Now, I wouldn't put it past him to sell weapons to both sides.
He needs to watch it though withholding weaponry or the MIC may schedule a trip to Dallas for him
Nope Russia could've become a peaceful iteration of the USSR. They didn't, so the rest of the world doesn't capitulate as they howl the same drivel you just typed.
JFC. Yes I’m sure any day now we will start selling F-35’s to Russia. Good lord.
What point? You made zero points in your post other than you watch MSN and are a parrot to squawk there lies.
Hahahahaha!!!!! “Russia had to invade a sovereign nation and commit all those war crimes because Ukraine wanted to sign on to an alliance that’s never started a war in its decades of existence.” -Sharky The Assclown
We should start selling those pieces of shit and recoup some of our losses on them
Ukraine has been a member of the UN since it was formed in 1945. When the USSR broke up they retained their seat at the table.
Not sure what this rant is about. But the core premise of it is bullshit, so I’m guessing the rest of it is too.
You're the parrot speaking Kremlin.
Would we if Canada and/Mexico did the same thing? If Canada had joined with the people I stated in my first post?
None of this would've happened if we would have just honored the treaties we negotiated and signed in years past.
I'm waiting for the OLD crazy prick, CRAZY Filthy Don to apologize to the UKRAINE people for ambushing their GREAT leader, and praising the WAR CRIMINAL that killed many children and old men and women.
Blah blah blah.
It really sucks when you get school'd on something you have no idea what you are really talking about. The good old USA politicians caused this war by breaking treaties. Those are the facts.
Yet you would willingly ignore giving Ukraine the protection promised them for giving up their nukes.
I remember the good old days when a registered R loved Reagan more than Russia.
So Putin wants Trump to send troops to fight his? You are contradicting yourself. You are an idiot.
Tell us the one war the UN has started. Then tell us al the wars the UN has de-escalated. With all due respect, you're a MAGAt brainwashed ignoramus.
Sorry, his actions tell a very different story and random assurances from people on the internet aren't going to do much to change my opinion.
Yes I am. If Ukraine was so trustworthy, they wouldn't need to give up nukes.
Ukraine has and are extremely corrupt. Period and point blank. We have propped up and financially supported them for far to long.
A large percentage of the Ukrainian population don't want the current government.
Yeah…put the pro-Russian MAGAs on ignore. For some reason they have no problem siding with Dictators as our country moves closer to authoritarian control. Why anyone is OK with our rights and protections being slowly and taken away from us is beyond me (project 2025).
The more of them we all have on ignore, or at least don’t respond to, the less the rest of us “pro Ukraine, pro Democracy” posters have to sort through on threads.
This is one of the dumbest takes ever. You know, not everything is about the United States.
I don't think so. There is a difference between complicity and active engagement. Trump is fine with Russia taking Ukraine, probably even in favor of it. He sees Zelensky as a personal adversary. He sees Putin as a business partner. He sees the US involvement with Ukraine as an obstacle to doing business with him. The faster the war ends, by whatever means, the quicker he and Putin can get down to business.
Why do you argue Ukraine is more corrupt or untrustworthy for disarming? It's Russia prattling about their red lines and how they will destroy Europe. Ukraine, after decades of seeing both sides, who wants to join the west.
You lost me at: "Does anyone on here really understand"
Can you cite the specific treaty? Not saying you're wrong, I just like to confirm this stuff since I don't know. I haven't found a specific treaty from 1994 that you would be referencing.
Oh so true. Which is why the United States does not need to be involved in everything.
Budapest Memorandum
Under the agreement the Russian Federation provided security assurances to Ukraine in the form of promising neither to attack nor to threaten to attack them. The other signatories (the United States, United Kingdom and France) pledged non-military support to Ukraine in exchange for its adherence to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum bundled together a set of assurances that Ukraine had already held from the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe (CSCE) Final Act, the United Nations Charter and the Non-Proliferation Treaty[2] but the Ukrainian government found it valuable to have these assurances in a Ukraine-specific document.[55][56]
The Budapest Memorandum was negotiated at political level, but it is not entirely clear whether the instrument is devoid entirely of legal provisions. It refers to assurances, but unlike guarantees, it does not impose a legal obligation of military assistance on its parties.[2][56] According to Stephen MacFarlane, a professor of international relations, "It gives signatories justification if they take action, but it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine."[55] In the US, neither the George H. W. Bush administration nor the Clinton administration was prepared to give a military commitment to Ukraine, and they did not believe the US Senate would ratify an international treaty and so the memorandum was adopted in more limited terms.[56] The memorandum has a requirement of consultation among the parties "in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning the ... commitments" set out in the memorandum.[57] Whether or not the memorandum sets out legal obligations, the difficulties that Ukraine has encountered since early 2014 may cast doubt on the credibility of future security assurances that are offered in exchange for nonproliferation commitments.[58] Regardless, the United States publicly maintains that "the Memorandum is not legally binding", calling it a "political commitment".[25]
Ukrainian international law scholars such as Olexander Zadorozhny maintain that the Memorandum is an international treaty because it satisfies the criteria for one, as fixed by the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT) and is "an international agreement concluded between States in written form and governed by international law".[59]
China and France gave security assurances for Ukraine in separate documents. China's governmental statement of 4 December 1994 did not call for mandatory consultations if questions arose but only for "fair consultations". France's declaration of 5 December 1994 did not mention consultations.[2]
For 20 years, until the 2014 Russian military occupation of regions of Ukraine,[60] the Ukrainian nuclear disarmament was an exemplary case of nuclear non-proliferation. Since the invasions of Ukraine by Russia the wisdom of Ukraine relinquishing its nuclear weapons has been questioned,[1] even by former president Bill Clinton, one of its signatories.[61]
Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Steven Pifer wrote in 2024 that Ukraine choosing to keep the nuclear weapons that were on its territory in the early 1990s was an unrealistic option, given that all of the infrastructure needed to maintain the operational life of the warheads was located in Russia and that Ukraine itself was facing an economic crisis that prevented it from building such infrastructure in its own country. Pifer also noted that the Ukrainian government concluded at the time that doing so would have been unaffordable. He added that in retrospect, American and Ukrainian officials did not foresee the Russo-Ukrainian War and because of that Ukraine was willing to accept security "assurances" from the U.S. and Britain, which unlike "guarantees," do not require the use of military force if the agreement was violated. Pifer also wrote that in his view it would have been unlikely that such guarantees would have been ratified by the U.S. Senate.[62]
You blamed Ukraine wanting to further ally with Europe for Russia invading and committing war and war crimes against their country. Are you into victim blaming all the time, or just to who your Facebook groups tell you to?
I believe the motivation for yesterday's debacle is simply Trump admires dictatorship type governance.
He wants to be in the same conversation as Putin and Xi.
We've hypothesized for years what kind of leverage Putin has on him. We might never know, but it's clear it's something.
He wants to be in the same conversation as Putin and Xi.
We've hypothesized for years what kind of leverage Putin has on him. We might never know, but it's clear it's something.
Thanks. So a memorandum not a treaty, and regardless of memorandum or treaty, Russia violated with its invasion of Crimea in 2014, correct? What am I missing here?
You must be a russian stooge. Never mind, no doubt about it.
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