When does Trump send US troops into Ukraine to fight against Ukraine?
- Thread starter Huey Grey
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2nd is an upgrade and their 1st and 2nd string is ****ing dead!!!!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
You idiots think everyone in Trumps cabinet are Russian assets.
80% of this board needs to be stood up against a wall.........
Let's go together. From what i’ve seen of Ukraineins they can use them just fine.
OK, here goes.
What should have been done first:
1. No son of a sitting VP on the board of directors in a sensitive area in a sensitive industry.
2.Not telling Putin we were going to do anything when we already had advisors on the ground and then pumped massive weapons into the battlefield.
What now?
1. US troops on the ground. No Euros. Only US as we don't want multiple possible flash points under different leaderships. Station west of Dnipro. North of Kyiv and east to Sumy.
2. No fly zone beyond current territory
3. Hold Ukraine responsible for serious anti corruption efforts.
4. Seriously train Ukrainian troops over years.
5. US never work with AZOV, Svoboda, Right Sektor and others similar
6. No NATO
7. After stabilization, Non European peace keepers.
8. Guarantee of Russian Naval base in Crimea. Control back to Ukraine based on free elections.
9. Boundaries to pre 2022 with free elections in Donbas areas at that time monitored by UN.
10. Free elections in Ukraine monitored by UN.
11. Negotiations over Kursk Oblast in lieu of Donbas territory.
12. Pledges to develop both Russian and Ukrainian economies beyond natural resources. Russia = 1/4 gas and oil. Russian gdp per capita is 17k. Ukraine is 5k. This comes later, likely after Putin gone which will be sooner than later.
13. No right wing militias allowed to operate as National Guard in Ukraine. No private Russian armies in Ukraine.
U.S. Concludes Abrams Tanks ‘Not Useful’ For Ukraine Following Heavy Losses
Ten months after the first deployments of American-supplied M1A1 Abrams tanks by the Ukrainian Army in combat, U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan has concluded
militarywatchmagazine.com
Use of f 16s is amazingly quiet. Some, but limited success.
Little info about Bradley's but they had lost 140 as of a year ago.
You're not an American. Just stop and say what you have to say without acting.
But they keep troops alive unlike Soviet era crap. That is the difference.U.S. Concludes Abrams Tanks ‘Not Useful’ For Ukraine Following Heavy Losses
Ten months after the first deployments of American-supplied M1A1 Abrams tanks by the Ukrainian Army in combat, U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan has concluded
Use of f 16s is amazingly quiet. Some, but limited success.
Little info about Bradley's but they had lost 140 as of a year ago.
☝🏻this post is a lot of babbling all over the spectrum. But the US does not need to be involved. There are countless posts on this board lauding the effectiveness of the Ukrainian armed forces, and how they and Europe can handle it with or without the help of the US. Given that we are over $30,000,000,000,000 in debt, the latter option obviously is in OUR best interest.
Ukraine soldiers have done quite well considering the circumstances.
Too well. Gotta imagine Putin is getting pretty nervous. Nearly a million downed troops. Unfathomable equipment loss. And Ukraine will still get plenty of support without the United States. I'm sure he's giving Trump an earful as we speak.
You can’t care about human life without personal relationships. Is that what you’re saying. I think you are wrong about the resources being why we care.
This post says alot about you and not much else
Believe what you want to believe. I just know that in 20 years if my friends survive their life won't be much different regardless of who wins.
Your love of war says a lot about you.
You lying sack of shit.
Tell me what these statements say:
"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)
“I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.”
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MO) Nov. 2, 2003
"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002
You won’t address what any of those statements mean, because they prove the lies about Iraqi WMD were bipartisan.
You fell for the lies from Obama about Libya, and you fell for the lies from Clinton, Pelosi, Gephardt and Bush about Iraq.
They both were clearly relaying what was told them by Bush intelligence officials, as Gephardt especially made clear. It’s a shame you’re both prone to emotional outbursts and are borderline illiterate. Not a good combo, chief.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Since you deem yourself expert enough to lecture us all on the history of Ukraine you know that UN stands for United Nations and NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization right?
Because you use UN above when you should probably be using NATO. Ukraine has been in the United Nations since it was founded in 1945. But someone as knowledgeable as you would know that…right?
You look very very silly right now. We are all laughing at you.
Please enlist tomorrow so you too can become educated.Since you deem yourself expert enough to lecture us all on the history of Ukraine you know that UN stands for United Nations and NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization right?
Because you use UN above when you should probably be using NATO. Ukraine has been in the United Nations since it was founded in 1945. But someone as knowledgeable as you would know that…right?
You look very very silly right now. We are all laughing at you.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Stick to getting government welfare for pretending to be a hard working farmer. You are much better at cashing your government handouts than you are at forming a coherent thought.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Oops, I forgot you have limited intellectual capacity. My bad. Allow me to walk you through it:
You are a farmer.
Farmers collect handouts from the government.
Handouts are welfare.
Therefore you are a welfare recipient.
You tried to make an argument.
You failed to make a good argument
Therefore you suck at making arguments
Since you are good at getting welfare checks, and bad at making arguments you should just collect your welfare. A side benefit for you: this will help you save your breath and your catatonic neurons need all the oxygen they can get.
Trump has not said anything about that…HOWEVER, after Zelenskyy’s disgraceful Oval Office where he literally wore a ragged t shirt and ripped jeans, and then barely let POTUS and VPOTUS get a word in, in our Oval Office….we may be forced to consider standing up against the tyranny of Ukraine and supporting Putin in his just fight against oppression.
….just putting that take out there as I’m sure some MAGA are thinking it…
….just putting that take out there as I’m sure some MAGA are thinking it…
So Ukraine isn't allowed to be in the world governing body (you keep referring to the UN. You know the UN and NATO are two different organizations?
Ukraine isn't allowed to have self-determination? We have tried to allow democratic nations self determination forever. That's a staple of our foreign policy since WWI and WWII.
The Russians claimed since day one they were invading to stop Nazis. Do you believe this is a true statement?
Who is the bad guy... Putin or Zelinsky?
People are losing their mind on Ukraine not hosting elections despite the fact that it is in their national Constitution to not hold an election during a time of war. The other guy has been elected with made up numbers.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
You're so broke you're getting your welfare checks garnished? For child support?!
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Nope. Haven’t taken a single handout in my life. Grew up on a farm in Iowa, went to school, moved to the big city, had two kids, and had a long career in technology. Eventually became the CEO of a company that I am quite certain you have bought products from. Now I invest, incubate startups and give back time to local philanthropic causes.
Now you go.
Oh I believe you, I believe you. Bill Gates is here...Mike Saylor too...if we could just get Satoshi Nakamoto to open up more!! Did you leave the farm and now trash the life because you were lazy and daddy whipped your ass? Thought you were a little too good to stack bales back when bales were stacked?
If Democrats didn’t believe Saddam had WMDs then what was the point of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 and the subsequent Operation Desert Fox bombing campaign?
That’s not the point. I addressed this before. The point was they were going off assurances from Powell and Cheney that intelligence was correct, when in actuality it was one dubious source dubbed “Curveball” the Neo-cons were so anxious to believe. The Dems and Powell’s biggest mistake was in ever believing the far right.
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