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I've never heard a ND fan comment on anything Iowa, and I know lots of ND fans.You would certainly never hear another Domer knock Iowa's OOC schedule again... and yes, that would be the national narrative perspective.
Catholic here, don’t like ND, am I a bigot? Oh, also went to catholic high school and university. Kids did catholic schools, private university. Still bigots because we don’t like ND?I've never heard a ND fan comment on anything Iowa, and I know lots of ND fans.
When I hear Iowa fans who have this irrational hatred of ND I instantly think they have an anti-Catholic, anti- private school bias. Pretty much bigoted, to be honest. Because other than some Fainting Irish game that happened before most of us were born the paths of Iowa and ND rarely, if ever, cross.
Kind of wondering how a team that Iowa does not have much interaction with elicits hatred though. ND is kind of irrelevant from a Hawkeye fan perspective, as much as we are irrelevant to them as well. Don't care for them, fine, but I'm sensing hatred in this thread which I don't understand, especially considering we're discussing ND playing ISU, who we do have history with.Catholic here, don’t like ND, am I a bigot? Oh, also went to catholic high school and university. Kids did catholic schools, private university. Still bigots because we don’t like ND?
They won’t join the conference and they get jerked off every year by the media. Even when they suck they still get talked about more than schools that rise up and have a great year. I do get what you’re saying though.Kind of wondering how a team that Iowa does not have much interaction with elicits hatred though. ND is kind of irrelevant from a Hawkeye fan perspective, as much as we are irrelevant to them as well. Don't care for them, fine, but I'm sensing hatred in this thread which I don't understand, especially considering we're discussing ND playing ISU, who we do have history with.
Still disagree here.Okay. I'll bite.
In your scenario ISU is 11-1 with their only loss being Iowa. What bowl would they be going to right now? (hint: Peach vs. #1 LSU). As this was being debated on every sports show by every talking head for the past month guess what every single one of them would have said? (preview: "The Iowa Hawkeyes are their only loss"). Think this would have helped recruiting? (answer: Yes)
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to imagine the Hawks would be ranked higher with such a quality win, probably higher than 9-3 Michigan. (Hmmm Citris Bowl... Iowa is ranked higher and also in the national conversation, afterall, they DID beat ISU... maybe we should choose them to play against Alabama).
I actually asked him today. I think he said if Notre Dame is not ready to play then they will lose solidly.How excited is hardy to watch Notre dame play Iowa state
ISU wouldn't finish 11-1 if they were in the Sun Belt instead of the Texas 12. They are a 40th-50th placed team. Period. That is a high-water mark for them compared to their history. Them improving does NOT help Iowa in securing a limited talent pool.
I've never heard a ND fan comment on anything Iowa, and I know lots of ND fans.
When I hear Iowa fans who have this irrational hatred of ND I instantly think they have an anti-Catholic, anti- private school bias. Pretty much bigoted, to be honest. Because other than some Fainting Irish game that happened before most of us were born the paths of Iowa and ND rarely, if ever, cross.
How does an ISU bowl win help the “national narrative perspective” of the Hawks???? This makes zero sense.
If you would cheer for ISU, I have to call into question your “bleed black and gold” statement. But....to each his own.
Failing to understand someone's perspective doesn't make them kind of bigoted. It makes you kind of ignorant.I've never heard a ND fan comment on anything Iowa, and I know lots of ND fans.
When I hear Iowa fans who have this irrational hatred of ND I instantly think they have an anti-Catholic, anti- private school bias. Pretty much bigoted, to be honest. Because other than some Fainting Irish game that happened before most of us were born the paths of Iowa and ND rarely, if ever, cross.
The only thing that matters is for Iowa to own the state of Iowa and to have a complete lock down on every talented recruit in this state. Iowa State winning anything is a negative to that goal. MC being able to walk into a recruit's living room with a bowl win over Notre Dame in his back pocket is not a good thing for Iowa.
As much as some of you hate Notre Dame, how often do we ever go head-to-head with them for recruits? Do we play Notre Dame on our schedule? Do Notre Dame fans come to this place and talk junk? I doubt the Iowa Hawkeyes even cross the minds of most Notre Dame fans. Yet, daily there are Clown fans coming here spouting their nonsense, even after 5 straight years of losing they still can't shut up.
Why would you ever cheer for the Cyclones in anything? I really don't understand this "good for the state" stupidity.
Kind of wondering how a team that Iowa does not have much interaction with elicits hatred though. ND is kind of irrelevant from a Hawkeye fan perspective, as much as we are irrelevant to them as well. Don't care for them, fine, but I'm sensing hatred in this thread which I don't understand, especially considering we're discussing ND playing ISU, who we do have history with.
Probably, these people are still pissed about the "Fainting Irish" incident in 1953.I've never heard a ND fan comment on anything Iowa, and I know lots of ND fans.
When I hear Iowa fans who have this irrational hatred of ND I instantly think they have an anti-Catholic, anti- private school bias. Pretty much bigoted, to be honest. Because other than some Fainting Irish game that happened before most of us were born the paths of Iowa and ND rarely, if ever, cross.
I used to pull for ISU when not playing Iowa until 2007 FB games in Ames. They acted like they won the super bowl and saw the worst in ISU fan behavior towards everyone in our group. I have been to tons of road games and never seen a fan base act like that after a win (against a bad team also). Since that day I decided I would never root for them again in anything.
But lot of Iowa students and alum are originally from and post college live in the Chicagoland area where there are tons of Irish fans who can be arrogant elitist pricks.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Hey, they are a State of Iowa Team -- I will cheer for them anytime they don't play the Hawks. They have 45 players from Iowa, several from smaller schools (Iowa has 46 players from Iowa). One of the players I coached played there several years ago as a walk-on and he was treated just as well as the scholarship athletes were. I will also cheer for UNI anytime they don't play the Hawks. It would be great if both the Hawks and Clones win their bowl games and UNI wins the FCS -- no other state could claim that achievement.
And I haven't been to an ISU-Iowa game in Kinnick since 1979 for the same reason.I felt the exact same way in 81. I have been to several B1G venues and never seen the depraved crap I saw in Ames.
Hardly. “The nation” doesn’t care about ISU.A stronger program at ISU absolutely helps Iowa’s perception around the nation..
Hardly. “The nation” doesn’t care about ISU.
Being mentioned by commentators doesn’t mean much. The vast majority of college football fans could give two craps about ISU.I'm guessing you don't watch much CFB outside of the Hawkeye's or you wouldn't post this type of thing.
I heard ISU mentioned in the Big12 championship game on Saturday. The commentators were discussing which teams had the best defenses in the conference and they listed Baylor, ISU and now OU (as of late).
Under Matt Campbell Iowa State HAS become a respected program by national CFB experts whether you like it or not.
This isn't the 80's and 90's where Hayden could drop 60 on the Clones any time he wanted ... and I don't think that was such a good thing if you think about it. Case in point: 1997, Iowa crushed a down and out ISU team 63-20 or something like that ... Iowa was flying along rising in the rankings until they faced Ohio State. OSU was on another level and the Hawks weren't prepared for that jump in competition IMO. Iowa lost 23-7. Had ISU been a good team back then, perhaps Iowa would have been better prepared for the OSU game a few weeks later.
If you want to hate everything ISU, that is fine, but don't let your hate cloud your judgement so much. A strong ISU program helps Iowa a lot more than it hurts it ... It is good for the state of Iowa too (I'm still proud I grew up in Iowa BTW).