Where did KF's recruiting turn for the worse?

[swagsurfer02]

It's good to be me I actually talk to the coaches occasionally, and I question them (I don't care what a bunch of anonymous morons on a free site think) so I have a pretty good idea what they are doing, thanks.
I don't criticize people who question KF, I attack idiots who blindly bash coaches and kids without having a clue what they are talking about. I am a very untrusting person, so I follow no one or thing blindly. I educate myself about things. You should try it some time

Lulz

 

[PHXIowaClub]

MattFoleyHawk truly is as argumentative as they come.

You don't need to talk down to others or me in the future. I'll tell you I used to talk to the coaches all the time from about 2002-2010. I stopped completely in 2011 when sh*t starting changing for the worse and I've never had a problem telling people that used to be in the program that I don't agree with what the coaches have done and I never had a problem writing on these boards.

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

R u for serious?

Ya, I for serious, LOL!!!

 

[GoHawks1966]

All your posts are about yourself and fans, "...fans are happy about mediocrity'...etc. So why would anyone think you were referring to anyones expectations except your own and these so called fans? You are just a negative, argumentative person. If it was about the kids not living up to their own expectations, why would you constantly be on here making negative comments about the 'program' and fans who don't agree with your miserable outlook? You are good at back peddling, so I have no doubt you will again. What kind of fan you think I am is of no concern to me. Nor is your opinion on what I know about the Iowa football team. You don't matter and the sooner you figure that out, the better off you'll be.

Matt, I have a question...do you really think its the talent, coaching, or both? I really feel the coaching is not as good with KO and NP gone. I think talent is misused or not used at all. I will leave it at that...

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

Matt, I have a question...do you really think its the talent, coaching, or both? I really feel the coaching is not as good with KO and NP gone. I think talent is misused or not used at all. I will leave it at that...

There is a really good article on another site that supports what I've said time after time on this site about attrition. Iowa has had the most of it in the big ten in the last 5 yrs. (I believe avg. 7-8 yr.). Iowa is never going to get a lot of 4 and 5 star recruits no matter who the coach is. Get over it folks. If you think an Urban Meyer would even come to this small market corn state, let alone bring in a bunch of 4-5* recruits, you're higher than a Coloradian smoking on Pikes Peak But KF is one of the best at developing kids and he still is. The statistics don't lie. You just have to stay in the program for 4-5 yrs. I don't know the percentage (but it's pretty high), but the kids that do stay (and don't get hurt) end up drafted or at least get a look as undrafted free agents. If kids have to hit the field before they are prepared (like some LB's last year) they are going to take some lumps (like Hitchens, Morris, and Kirksey did their soph. yr and look how they turned out) It's just the way it is. So the key is to figure out this attrition issue and stop the bleeding. If everyone stays and a couple young DE's step, Iowa's D is going to be stellar in 2016 (they will be much improved this year). Mark it boys!
As far as coaching, chemistry is huge just like with a basketball team. I stated in jan. that the coaches didn't seam to be on the same page and then one of the Iowa assistants came out and said pretty much the same thing. NP was special, but PP is a great disciple of his, he just needs to get everyone together (I don't think Woods was seeing eye to eye with Reid, thus the move to TE's). Same way with the offense, the coaches were not on the same page with the scheme, which is why BF is coordinating the run game now. If him and GD don't get it together, it won't improve. KO ran a boring offense (according to most here) but he at least seemed to be able to call up the right play at the right time quite a lot. I haven't seen that at all out of GD. Although this staff still knows how to develop talent, I agree with some that the in-game coaching better improve. Plus, special teams have to improve markedly. There are so many tangibles, and when your not one of the big boys, there is such little room for error in any area. I think what KF is really focusing on this year is cleaning up all the little things.
Sorry, so long, but you asked

 

[GoHawks1966]

There is a really good article on another site that supports what I've said time after time on this site about attrition. Iowa has had the most of it in the big ten in the last 5 yrs. (I believe avg. 7-8 yr.). Iowa is never going to get a lot of 4 and 5 star recruits no matter who the coach is. Get over it folks. If you think an Urban Meyer would even come to this small market corn state, let alone bring in a bunch of 4-5* recruits, you're higher than a Coloradian smoking on Pikes Peak But KF is one of the best at developing kids and he still is. The statistics don't lie. You just have to stay in the program for 4-5 yrs. I don't know the percentage (but it's pretty high), but the kids that do stay (and don't get hurt) end up drafted or at least get a look as undrafted free agents. If kids have to hit the field before they are prepared (like some LB's last year) they are going to take some lumps (like Hitchens, Morris, and Kirksey did their soph. yr and look how they turned out) It's just the way it is. So the key is to figure out this attrition issue and stop the bleeding. If everyone stays and a couple young DE's step, Iowa's D is going to be stellar in 2016 (they will be much improved this year). Mark it boys!
As far as coaching, chemistry is huge just like with a basketball team. I stated in jan. that the coaches didn't seam to be on the same page and then one of the Iowa assistants came out and said pretty much the same thing. NP was special, but PP is a great disciple of his, he just needs to get everyone together (I don't think Woods was seeing eye to eye with Reid, thus the move to TE's). Same way with the offense, the coaches were not on the same page with the scheme, which is why BF is coordinating the run game now. If him and GD don't get it together, it won't improve. KO ran a boring offense (according to most here) but he at least seemed to be able to call up the right play at the right time quite a lot. I haven't seen that at all out of GD. Although this staff still knows how to develop talent, I agree with some that the in-game coaching better improve. Plus, special teams have to improve markedly. There are so many tangibles, and when your not one of the big boys, there is such little room for error in any area. I think what KF is really focusing on this year is cleaning up all the little things.
Sorry, so long, but you asked

I knew there had to be a disconnect with the coaches, we just looked unusually bad. Hopefully the changes and some tweaking will help. Thanks!

 

[David1979]

I'm taking the approach that those two entities believe it is a serious accusation and are conducting a formal investigation. If there is an ounce of truth to this Barta will be let go.

A serious accusation does not mean it is a truthful accusation. Every complaint that alleges some type of racial/gender/disability discrimination gets looked at. The state has a similar mechanism for this through the Iowa Civil Rights Commission. From what I have read I don't think they have much of a case.

 

[swagsurfer02]

A serious accusation does not mean it is a truthful accusation. Every complaint that alleges some type of racial/gender/disability discrimination gets looked at. The state has a similar mechanism for this through the Iowa Civil Rights Commission. From what I have read I don't think they have much of a case.

You think everything that has been alleged including all of the evidence was made public thus far?

 

[David1979]

You think everything that has been alleged including all of the evidence was made public thus far?

I have read all of their allegations contained in the complaint yes. And there isn't any evidence just conjecture and false equivalents.
Did you know her contract allowed Iowa to fire her without cause?

 

[bouma1415]

There is a really good article on another site that supports what I've said time after time on this site about attrition. Iowa has had the most of it in the big ten in the last 5 yrs. (I believe avg. 7-8 yr.). Iowa is never going to get a lot of 4 and 5 star recruits no matter who the coach is. Get over it folks. If you think an Urban Meyer would even come to this small market corn state, let alone bring in a bunch of 4-5* recruits, you're higher than a Coloradian smoking on Pikes Peak But KF is one of the best at developing kids and he still is. The statistics don't lie. You just have to stay in the program for 4-5 yrs. I don't know the percentage (but it's pretty high), but the kids that do stay (and don't get hurt) end up drafted or at least get a look as undrafted free agents. If kids have to hit the field before they are prepared (like some LB's last year) they are going to take some lumps (like Hitchens, Morris, and Kirksey did their soph. yr and look how they turned out) It's just the way it is. So the key is to figure out this attrition issue and stop the bleeding. If everyone stays and a couple young DE's step, Iowa's D is going to be stellar in 2016 (they will be much improved this year). Mark it boys!
As far as coaching, chemistry is huge just like with a basketball team. I stated in jan. that the coaches didn't seam to be on the same page and then one of the Iowa assistants came out and said pretty much the same thing. NP was special, but PP is a great disciple of his, he just needs to get everyone together (I don't think Woods was seeing eye to eye with Reid, thus the move to TE's). Same way with the offense, the coaches were not on the same page with the scheme, which is why BF is coordinating the run game now. If him and GD don't get it together, it won't improve. KO ran a boring offense (according to most here) but he at least seemed to be able to call up the right play at the right time quite a lot. I haven't seen that at all out of GD. Although this staff still knows how to develop talent, I agree with some that the in-game coaching better improve. Plus, special teams have to improve markedly. There are so many tangibles, and when your not one of the big boys, there is such little room for error in any area. I think what KF is really focusing on this year is cleaning up all the little things.
Sorry, so long, but you asked

Well stated. But the high number of players leaving could be noted to a couple of thoughts:
1. Players want to play. If you are going to ride the bench, you want it to be because the team is winning and their is better talent in front of you.(which is 2 different and 2 related issues).
2. KF is reaching on a number of recruits. Some develop, some don't. There has been more reaches lately.
3. Players want to win, they want to play aggressively. Most think they are better than the next guy. When you are not winning, you blame it on conservative play. It may also be KF plays conservative because Iowa doesn't have enough talent to play aggressively.
4. Over-recruiting in areas of need. When you reach on players, miss your target, you flush/push out the weak, you then have to over-recruit an area of need... example was signing 5 WR's a couple of years ago, and now it appears that their are 3 classes in a row of LB's trying to fill the pipeline back up. If you sign one stud player, it reduces the need to sign 2 players that are reaches to fill one position. Increase the talent pool should reduce the number of players leaving...though you will lose some to lack of playing time (as all teams have)

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

Well stated. But the high number of players leaving could be noted to a couple of thoughts:
1. Players want to play. If you are going to ride the bench, you want it to be because the team is winning and their is better talent in front of you.(which is 2 different and 2 related issues).
2. KF is reaching on a number of recruits. Some develop, some don't. There has been more reaches lately.
3. Players want to win, they want to play aggressively. Most think they are better than the next guy. When you are not winning, you blame it on conservative play. It may also be KF plays conservative because Iowa doesn't have enough talent to play aggressively.
4. Over-recruiting in areas of need. When you reach on players, miss your target, you flush/push out the weak, you then have to over-recruit an area of need... example was signing 5 WR's a couple of years ago, and now it appears that their are 3 classes in a row of LB's trying to fill the pipeline back up. If you sign one stud player, it reduces the need to sign 2 players that are reaches to fill one position. Increase the talent pool should reduce the number of players leaving...though you will lose some to lack of playing time (as all teams have)

Who is he reaching on lately? Look at the 2011 class. Everyone that stayed and stayed healthy developed pretty nicely and were important contributors to the team. I don't see one kid from that class who left because they were riding the bench and thought they should be playing more. Maybe Law, but he got into trouble and left. Sokol and Lyle may have left from the 2012 class because they decided they weren't going to play anytime soon. But Sokol doesn't fit your criteria and we don't really know a lot about Lyle except he missed a whole year hurt. From 2012 on, we still don't know how well some of the kids have developed.
Who were the weak that were flushed/pushed out? A lot of the players that left (Garman, Raymon, Hill etc.) were their most highly rated players so your talent pool argument makes little sense to me. I don't really think you understood my post very well. It seems to me, I may be wrong, that you're just looking for someone or KF to blame, but sometimes there is no one to blame. You can only control what you can control. You seem to think that KF or the coaches are responsible or to blame for every kid that leaves and that is ridiculous and incorrect.
I wish you would give evidence or examples to support your beliefs.

 

[eddie4star]

I agree with some that the in-game coaching better improve. Plus, special teams have to improve markedly. There are so many tangibles, and when your not one of the big boys, there is such little room for error in any area. I think what KF is really focusing on this year is cleaning up all the little things.
Sorry, so long, but you asked[/QUOTE]

Ferentz has been here for almost 20 years and is still a horrible game day coach. He isn't going to suddenly learn how to manage a game. He should focus on cleaning up the big problems such as playing the best players and quit running our best players out of town.

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

I agree with some that the in-game coaching better improve. Plus, special teams have to improve markedly. There are so many tangibles, and when your not one of the big boys, there is such little room for error in any area. I think what KF is really focusing on this year is cleaning up all the little things.
Sorry, so long, but you asked

Ferentz has been here for almost 20 years and is still a horrible game day coach. He isn't going to suddenly learn how to manage a game. He should focus on cleaning up the big problems such as playing the best players and quit running our best players out of town.[/QUOTE]


Like I said on another thread. You are just an ignorant troll. You're not even very good at trolling, but you're exceptional at being ignorant, so you've got that going for ya!

 

[GoHawks1966]

Well stated. But the high number of players leaving could be noted to a couple of thoughts:
1. Players want to play. If you are going to ride the bench, you want it to be because the team is winning and their is better talent in front of you.(which is 2 different and 2 related issues).
2. KF is reaching on a number of recruits. Some develop, some don't. There has been more reaches lately.
3. Players want to win, they want to play aggressively. Most think they are better than the next guy. When you are not winning, you blame it on conservative play. It may also be KF plays conservative because Iowa doesn't have enough talent to play aggressively.
4. Over-recruiting in areas of need. When you reach on players, miss your target, you flush/push out the weak, you then have to over-recruit an area of need... example was signing 5 WR's a couple of years ago, and now it appears that their are 3 classes in a row of LB's trying to fill the pipeline back up. If you sign one stud player, it reduces the need to sign 2 players that are reaches to fill one position. Increase the talent pool should reduce the number of players leaving...though you will lose some to lack of playing time (as all teams have)

Good points! The LB situation is a good example. We have not recruited well at the position and the ones that mattered left. Now we have a walk-on and two mac players....explains the horrific play from that position last year!

 

[B1G]

What does Iowa have to sell to a prospect? That's the problem with recruiting. The reason the ones who commit have MAC like offer lists is because Iowa was their best offer so they took it. So what about the bigger fish? Iowa isn't getting them.
When ya have built in disadvantages, you have to find ways to gets kids to notice you. Playing boring, losing football aint gonna do it. There's no buzz at Iowa. They have nothing to sell.

 

[GunnerHawk]

With Iowa's flurry of recruits I am amazed this thread has not been deleted.

 

[B1G]

With Iowa's flurry of recruits I am amazed this thread has not been deleted.

You just don't get it.

 

[GoHawks1966]

What does Iowa have to sell to a prospect? That's the problem with recruiting. The reason the ones who commit have MAC like offer lists is because Iowa was their best offer so they took it. So what about the bigger fish? Iowa isn't getting them.
When ya have built in disadvantages, you have to find ways to gets kids to notice you. Playing boring, losing football aint gonna do it. There's no buzz at Iowa. They have nothing to sell.

You are exactly right BIG! You can play slow ball if you win... The location thing is really overrated, you play good football the kids will come! If I was a skilled position player, Iowa would be one of my last choices. You have to be able to change your system to match your abilities, it is not always about execution! Especially when you are out gunned, execution won't matter...it becomes a match up game. Bottom line is Iowa football is stale, boring, and still very predictable!

 

[GoHawks1966]

You are right Swag...the talent coming in is not top flight. Iowa is a run first team...has been for years and will be as long as the RB situation doesn't blow up. (i.e...Drew Tate years). WR's want to catch balls period....not a couple but a bunch. It is not the philosophy at Iowa. I have no problem with that at all.

To be successful you have to be connected to the underbelly of recruiting. Many are aware of the whole Chicago recruiting mafia in basketball. Either you are in or out. You play their games and you get their players...if not...look elsewhere. That is the standard operating procedure in most AAU basketball circuits. The same thing is happening in high school football to an extent. In the south and west the 7on7 circuit in the summer has exploded. Keyshawn is just one of dozens of ex-players that have "a team". When Nebraska hired Riley, they knew that he was connected to the USC talent pool. To my knowledge we have no connections to that tier one talent pool. This has been and always will be a problem.

I really do not think KF and staff have any issue with evaluating talent. Other schools, just like Iowa use negative press or situations against each other. KF at the tail end of his career doesn't help reeling in recruits....it doesn't at any school. Look at Tennessee, Boise, Miami, Texas...ect. The coach starts to get banged around by the fanbase and press and it is nationwide news. Recruits look else where to play. The next Iowa coach will not last long, not in today's college football. Every fan base has unrealistic expectations, Iowa is not different. Alabama fans think if they do not win it all...fail. KF has done an outstanding job while he has been at Iowa. He will be gone soon and I pity the man and his family that has to come in. Hopefully he is connected to the underbelly, problem with that is the problems that comes with it. Iowa football will be really interesting in the next 5 years.

At least we will finally be interesting

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

You are exactly right BIG! You can play slow ball if you win... The location thing is really overrated, you play good football the kids will come! If I was a skilled position player, Iowa would be one of my last choices. You have to be able to change your system to match your abilities, it is not always about execution! Especially when you are out gunned, execution won't matter...it becomes a match up game. Bottom line is Iowa football is stale, boring, and still very predictable!

I rather be a 'know it all' than a 'know nothing' and I'd rather be 'arrogant' than 'ignorant', and you my friend are the typical American ignorant know nothing. If you bothered to educate yourself (from coaches and experts in this field, not from anonymous morons on a free message board) on the subjects of which you speak, you would find you are wrong on almost everything.

 

[GoHawks1966]

I rather be a 'know it all' than a 'know nothing' and I'd rather be 'arrogant' than 'ignorant', and you my friend are the typical American ignorant know nothing. If you bothered to educate yourself (from coaches and experts in this field, not from anonymous morons on a free message board) on the subjects of which you speak, you would find you are wrong on almost everything.

Okie Dokie!

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

You are a glaring example of an ignorant know nothing.

What? Are you Pee Wee Herman? "That's you, but what am I"? Lol. How old are you, 10?
Please try to stop embarrassing yourself.
I won't be too mean to you, as it appears you may have a cognitive disability and I wouldn't want to pick on a defenseless, handicapped individual.

 

[ft254]

What? Are you Pee Wee Herman? "That's you, but what am I"? Lol. How old are you, 10?
Please try to stop embarrassing yourself.
I won't be too mean to you, as it appears you may have a cognitive disability and I wouldn't want to pick on a defenseless, handicapped individual.

Matt

Your arrogance is legendary, and it is impossible to have a constructive discussion with you. You should know since nearly every discussion you are involved in regresses to phrases such as "What? Are you Pee Wee Herman?". etc., etc.. I want to participate in some other threads you have started that look interesting, but know how they will end up. If everyone seems to hate you, maybe it's not them.

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

Matt

Your arrogance is legendary, and it is impossible to have a constructive discussion with you. You should know since nearly every discussion you are involved in regresses to phrases such as "What? Are you Pee Wee Herman?". etc., etc.. I want to participate in some other threads you have started that look interesting, but know how they will end up. If everyone seems to hate you, maybe it's not them.

Idiots who come on here and make ignorant remarks end up hating me. I'm good with that. Don't like being called out for being ignorant? Then I suggest you educate yourself before coming on here and spewing mindless blather. Yes, when losers are out of arguments they resort to 3rd grade antics and eddie is the poster child for everything I have just said here.
P.S. I love having intelligent conversations. Know where I can find one?

 

[losangeleshawkeye]

Lol about the white PR.. Woooooooo!

 

[Taw Jackson]

Norm Parker was the brain behind the great defenses. He could recruit, coach, and most importantly knew how to develop great players. KF is a puppet, if winning depended on him he would have never saw another contract. He needs to leave or upgrade his OC and DC. He is surrounded by idiots and he is number one!

Would have never saw? And you're calling other people idiots? Now that there is some real chutzpah.