Where does Iowa sit historically in Big10 MBB

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

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Via Sports-Reference.com All-Time Win% for B1G teams, here's how they rank as of 1/23/20:

1. Purdue .640
2. Illinois .639
3. Indiana .639
4. Ohio St .613
5. Mich St .612
6. Mich .609
7. MD .603
8. Iowa .586
9. Minn .575
10.Wisc .571
11.PSU .556
12.Neb .525
13.Rutgers .507
14.N'wstrn .417

 

[Chishawk1425]

Really took a beating in the Lick crater....

 

[SDHawkDoc]

That's about where I would have pegged them.

Not surprisingly the 4 schools with essentially no basketball tradition at all bring up the rear.

IA, mn, wisky overall meh

And the schools 1-6 with a solid Bball history.

 

[Robster Raws]

Slide Maryland out if we’re going historical. But that looks right. Probably lines up w NCAA tournament success too.

 

[StormHawk42]

Wisconsin must have been really bad before the Bennett years. That was before I paid much attention.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Wisconsin must have been really bad before the Bennett years. That was before I paid much attention.

Both football and bball there was shit for decades.

 

[Rudolph]

Via Sports-Reference.com All-Time Win% for B1G teams, here's how they rank as of 1/23/20:

1. Purdue .640
2. Illinois .639
3. Indiana .639
4. Ohio St .613
5. Mich St .612
6. Mich .609
7. MD .603
8. Iowa .586
9. Minn .575
10.Wisc .571
11.PSU .556
12.Neb .525
13.Rutgers .507
14.N'wstrn .417

Would be cool to see a line graph of this, see the peaks and valleys relative to each other.

 

[Legend12]

Wisconsin must have been really bad before the Bennett years. That was before I paid much attention.

ZERO NCAA appearances between 1947 and 1994.

 

[iowalawhawk]

Yeah, it's always interesting to see programs change shape. Michigan went 10 years without an NCAA appearance very recently, but it seems like ancient history. I'm still surprised Illinois has only been in the tournament once since Bruce Weber left.

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Interesting, but seems about right for Iowa.

I bet Iowa & MSU were a lot closer to each other in the mid 90's. The two programs had more or less gone opposite directions since then.

 

[SotaHawk87]

ZERO NCAA appearances between 1947 and 1994.

not ideal

 

[H4wkfan4life]

ZERO NCAA appearances between 1947 and 1994.

not terrible. that is only 1 less than braska has ever had

 

[SSG T]

ZERO NCAA appearances between 1947 and 1994.

And then 22 in the next 26 seasons.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

ZERO NCAA appearances between 1947 and 1994.

You took the post right off of my fingers.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Hate to say it but Illinois has absolutely sucked for pretty much a dozen straight years and they are still neck and neck with IU and PU. That’s solid tradition. I was hoping Underwood would be another dud but it doesn’t look like it so far.

 

[NevadaHawk]

We were a decent program from the middle 50s to the late 80s. After the Raveling recruits left town we sort of leveled off under Davis. Alford did not turn out to be the program changer he was thought to be. We have been up and down since then. I would like to think Fran is on the cusp of a years long good run at Iowa.

 

[Fighter of the Nightman]

Hate to say it but Illinois has absolutely sucked for pretty much a dozen straight years and they are still neck and neck with IU and PU. That’s solid tradition. I was hoping Underwood would be another dud but it doesn’t look like it so far.

Much <3, Rap. You’re a basketball guy, and I’ll always respect that ... no matter how much you relentlessly shit on the Illini, haha.

 

[Chishawk1425]

We were a decent program from the middle 50s to the late 80s. After the Raveling recruits left town we sort of leveled off under Davis. Alford did not turn out to be the program changer he was thought to be. We have been up and down since then. I would like to think Fran is on the cusp of a years long good run at Iowa.

Decent? Iowa was once 15th or so early 2000's overall program status. Decent? 3 Finals 4's and a championship loss prior to 2000 is more than decent.

 

[BirdistheWord]

ZERO NCAA appearances between 1947 and 1994.

Say What? almost 50 years? Yikes.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

Via Sports-Reference.com All-Time Win% for B1G teams, here's how they rank as of 1/23/20:

1. Purdue .640
2. Illinois .639
3. Indiana .639
4. Ohio St .613
5. Mich St .612
6. Mich .609
7. MD .603
8. Iowa .586
9. Minn .575
10.Wisc .571
11.PSU .556
12.Neb .525
13.Rutgers .507
14.N'wstrn .417

For Big Ten history, I have to move the three newest schools towards the bottom.

I rank them like this.
Purdue, better in conference
Indiana, better nationally
MSU
Illinois
OSU
Michigan
Iowa
Minn
Wisconsin
PSU
MD
NW
Nebby
Rutgers

Anything schools did before joining the Big Ten doesn’t count. NW is so bad that PSU passed them in ~30 years and MD has probably already passed them too.

If not for the last 25 years I would have drawn a line after Minny and said everyone below that line doesn’t matter. Wiscy’s tenure since that time has moved the line down a spot. MD will move up the list but needs 10 or more years in the league to move up more than just hopping PSU soon.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

In the late 80’s I believe Iowa had a winning record against every other Big Ten school save two.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Via Sports-Reference.com All-Time Win% for B1G teams, here's how they rank as of 1/23/20:

1. Purdue .640
2. Illinois .639
3. Indiana .639
4. Ohio St .613
5. Mich St .612
6. Mich .609
7. MD .603
8. Iowa .586
9. Minn .575
10.Wisc .571
11.PSU .556
12.Neb .525
13.Rutgers .507
14.N'wstrn .417

Yeah, I'd say that's about where we are, unless you want to make it strictly OG Big Ten teams, which would put us ahead of Maryland, just in that sense.

I thought about putting us ahead of Ohio State, but they just have more periods of success when they were good compared to Iowa. And I thought about it because I do remember when Ohio State was bad at basketball. When they were good, they were often very good at went places in the tournament. And when they were bad...they were very bad. Like competing with Northwestern for the worst team in the conference each year, kind of bad.

Iowa has had some years like that, with Lick in particular, but we've typically been middle of the pack at worst most years. Rarely was Iowa ever in the doldrums of the conference, and if we were it wasn't for long.

Iowa went 20 years between 1943-1963 for finishing in the bottom 2 of the Big Ten.

Then from 1964-1999 through the Tom Davis era, Iowa finished 8th just four times, and 9th once.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Yeah, I'd say that's about where we are, unless you want to make it strictly OG Big Ten teams, which would put us ahead of Maryland, just in that sense.

I thought about putting us ahead of Ohio State, but they just have more periods of success when they were good compared to Iowa. And I thought about it because I do remember when Ohio State was bad at basketball. When they were good, they were often very good at went places in the tournament. And when they were bad...they were very bad. Like competing with Northwestern for the worst team in the conference each year, kind of bad.

Iowa has had some years like that, with Lick in particular, but we've typically been middle of the pack at worst most years. Rarely was Iowa ever in the doldrums of the conference, and if we were it wasn't for long.

Iowa went 20 years between 1943-1963 for finishing in the bottom 2 of the Big Ten.

Then from 1964-1999 through the Tom Davis era, Iowa finished 8th just four times, and 9th once.

Ohio State is indeed a unique case. For example, they’ve won a national championship and been to 11 Final Fours* (3 more than IU), including four national finals. And yet, they’ve also had long stretches of being legitimately terrible.

Football school. What are you gonna do?

*199? stricken from the records because of NCAA violations.

 

[Eternal Return]

I thought the thread was going to be about winning percentages for B10 conference games only. I think that would be a better measure of how B10 teams stack up against each other.

 

[perryhawk]

Decent? Iowa was once 15th or so early 2000's overall program status. Decent? 3 Finals 4's and a championship loss prior to 2000 is more than decent.

I believe that prior to Alfredo....Lick for sure, the Iowa program was at least top 15 historically. Don’t know where to check that.

 

[Chishawk1425]

I believe that prior to Alfredo....Lick for sure, the Iowa program was at least top 15 historically. Don’t know where to check that.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it was right after Davis or maybe a few years into Alford around there. It was 15th, then Lick happened and FM had to unbury and it really took on some water. Here is to a fun new ride currently.

 

[Mohawkeye]

I would like to think I see Iowa trending up and Illinois and Wisconsin trending down. That’s what I want think so I’m going with it.

 

[JesusIsKing]

Yeah, is be interested to see where iowA would be without the Lickliter years. When CBS Sports, ESPN and others rank their all-time to 25 programs ever, Iowa is always in the 20s in those rankings. Always.

 

[Legend12]

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I thought about putting us ahead of Ohio State, but they just have more periods of success when they were good compared to Iowa. And I thought about it because I do remember when Ohio State was bad at basketball. When they were good, they were often very good at went places in the tournament. And when they were bad...they were very bad. Like competing with Northwestern for the worst team in the conference each year, kind of bad.

Iowa has had some years like that, with Lick in particular, but we've typically been middle of the pack at worst most years. Rarely was Iowa ever in the doldrums of the conference, and if we were it wasn't for long.

Ohio State's resume is light years ahead of Iowa's in hoops.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Ohio State's resume is light years ahead of Iowa's in hoops.

Nah. Ohio State is only ahead of us in this list because I said it was.

In all actuality, overall.......

Iowa > Ohio State > Iowa State


Deal with it.

 

[Chishawk1425]

I would like to think I see Iowa trending up and Illinois and Wisconsin trending down. That’s what I want think so I’m going with it.

Illinois trended down for 7 years in a row but they are trending up now. Wiscy, yes.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Yeah, is be interested to see where iowA would be without the Lickliter years. When CBS Sports, ESPN and others rank their all-time to 25 programs ever, Iowa is always in the 20s in those rankings. Always.

3 years out of 100+? Come on, man. It wouldn't change it significantly.

Also, please post the "CBS Sports, ESPN and others" all-time top 25 program rankings. I've never seen those. Are you talking about the AP top 100 all time ratings?

This top 75 list has Iowa 58: https://fansided.com/2014/10/21/75-greatest-college-basketball-programs-time-statistically-ranked/3/

No Iowa in top 30: https://theheismanwinners.com/college-basketball-best-programs

 

[blhawk]

We were a decent program from the middle 50s to the late 80s. After the Raveling recruits left town we sort of leveled off under Davis. Alford did not turn out to be the program changer he was thought to be. We have been up and down since then. I would like to think Fran is on the cusp of a years long good run at Iowa.

Not sure what your definition of decent is but by my definition I'd say pretty good during time frame you mentioned through 90's when we won 20 and NCAA game most years. I'd put the Alford era and up until recently with Fran in the "decent" category (ncaa about half time and close to middle bten pack) but we might be in process of getting into the good category. The only time we truly sucked was Lick years.

I know Alford was an ass and only got 3 bids in 8 yrs but our highest nccaa seed of last 30 yrs and only 2 bten tourney titles were under him. Winning percentage very similar to Fran although hopefully FM puts some distance there.

No, we aren't MSU or even close but still a very respectable program in general. Lots of programs would switch with us, just gotta take next steps.

 

[NevadaHawk]

Not sure what your definition of decent is but by my definition I'd say pretty good during time frame you mentioned through 90's when we won 20 and NCAA game most years. I'd put the Alford era and up until recently with Fran in the "decent" category (ncaa about half time and close to middle bten pack) but we might be in process of getting into the good category. The only time we truly sucked was Lick years.

I know Alford was an ass and only got 3 bids in 8 yrs but our highest nccaa seed of last 30 yrs and only 2 bten tourney titles were under him. Winning percentage very similar to Fran although hopefully FM puts some distance there.

No, we aren't MSU or even close but still a very respectable program in general. Lots of programs would switch with us, just gotta take next steps.

In my mind decent = respectable.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Via Sports-Reference.com All-Time Win% for B1G teams, here's how they rank as of 1/23/20:

1. Purdue .640
2. Illinois .639
3. Indiana .639
4. Ohio St .613
5. Mich St .612
6. Mich .609
7. MD .603
8. Iowa .586
9. Minn .575
10.Wisc .571
11.PSU .556
12.Neb .525
13.Rutgers .507
14.N'wstrn .417

All time wins for the schools going back to when each started basketball? For all games or just BiG? Rutgers has been to the final four, Wisconsin I think won a real early final four, or at least was in it. MD had some good teams under Lefty. Trying to remember Minny's history..but about all I can remember is a near-riot when Musselman was coach.

 

[JesusIsKing]

3 years out of 100+? Come on, man. It wouldn't change it significantly.

Also, please post the "CBS Sports, ESPN and others" all-time top 25 program rankings. I've never seen those. Are you talking about the AP top 100 all time ratings?

This top 75 list has Iowa 58: https://fansided.com/2014/10/21/75-greatest-college-basketball-programs-time-statistically-ranked/3/

No Iowa in top 30: https://theheismanwinners.com/college-basketball-best-programs

I'll find them and post. I know I've seen them in multiple occasions.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

I thought the thread was going to be about winning percentages for B10 conference games only. I think that would be a better measure of how B10 teams stack up against each other.

I’ll work on that. Oddly enough there isn't a site that provides that info straight up. I’ll have to gather it team by team off the sports reference site.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

I'll find them and post. I know I've seen them in multiple occasions.

Hopefully this link works for ya!

https://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=ncb&id=19032638

 

[Eternal Return]

I’ll work on that. Oddly enough there isn't a site that provides that info straight up. I’ll have to gather it team by team off the sports reference site.

Cool! Thanks, man, I'll keep my eye out for that thread.

 

[mtown66]

ZERO NCAA appearances between 1947 and 1994.

Why don't you tell the readers about the selection process in the old days. From the first tournament in 1939 the tournament featured just eight teams until 1951 and then in 1952 the field doubled to 16. The number of teams that were invited varied between 22 and 25 teams from 1953 to 1974. It then steadily increased from 32 teams in 1975 to 64 teams in 1985. It wasn't until 1985 that the modern format of a 64-team tournament began.The most recent expansion came in 2011, when 68 teams were invited to participate. So for many of those years the number of invitees was very limited.