cannot wait to here more insight from ScottRefugee on how bad Bohannen is and Fran has no point guard.....
Bring on that narrative!
Bring on that narrative!
Where is ScottRefugee and his no PG mantra
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Were you out there blowing the "Hawkeyes have a great PG" after the Purdue game when J Bo was 2-8 shooting and 0-4 from behind the arc? Bohannon is going to have his ups and downs depending on the opponent and whether the Hawkeyes are on the road or at home.
I have been in this young man's court all year and will be. Get on board or get run over.
People weren't using their brains before the season started i was all for bohannon figured he would be a Jeff Horner type player and we always need a PG that could shoot the 3!!! Well we got one also he has major balls i swear he plays like a junior.
I like scoutrefugee as a poster though, andoboy is the worst by far and an idiot.
I like scoutrefugee as a poster though, andoboy is the worst by far and an idiot.
Frosh gonna be frosh now and then but they are growing up.
We'll some some more low points but our upside is there.
We'll some some more low points but our upside is there.
Hes going to be a good player but hes really not a true pg.
We could still use a Washpun type PG on the team.
How about playing with no point guard for a big part of the game as well? 
Maybe there is something to not being reliant on a traditional point guard.
Williams, today with another back problem, makes me wonder if this isn't what has kept him from stepping up this season? I've been sky high on the kid and wondering when he'd put it together, but if his back is this fragile I can understand what it does to his effectiveness.
Anyone see Kevin Huerter play for Maryland today? Does anyone still think they'd like that Trice kid from Wisconsin? Man, if only Huerter wasn't so concerned with staying on the east coast when he was recruited.
I can imagine a set of long guards like he, McCaffery, and Wieskamp together.....oooooh.
Maybe there is something to not being reliant on a traditional point guard. Williams, today with another back problem, makes me wonder if this isn't what has kept him from stepping up this season? I've been sky high on the kid and wondering when he'd put it together, but if his back is this fragile I can understand what it does to his effectiveness.
Anyone see Kevin Huerter play for Maryland today? Does anyone still think they'd like that Trice kid from Wisconsin? Man, if only Huerter wasn't so concerned with staying on the east coast when he was recruited.
I can imagine a set of long guards like he, McCaffery, and Wieskamp together.....oooooh.
Herkmeister yes we will have our Purdue type games I am just going to relax and be happy that Fran did an amazing job recruiting this season, and not expect a NCAA team but hope for a NIT team. Also joe who was a 5 star until he said no to blue bloods Espn said he is similar to Sam decker but bit more athletic. Patrick is already top 50. Garza and nunge and Connor are 4 stars by 247.
The future is so bright I see a elite 8/final 4 in the next 6 years which we deserve as fans.
The future is so bright I see a elite 8/final 4 in the next 6 years which we deserve as fans.
I happen to think that the jury is still out on Mr. Bohannon. He lacks elite handles and quickness, which inhibits his ability to go north/south efficiently. I think his positives include great poise (plays within his abilities 10 assist and 0 turnovers last two games), solid long range shooting (he is 3-9 from behind the arc in conference play), and a high basketball I.Q. It remains to be seen how far the Hawkeyes can go with him as the primary PG. I would expect next year he slides over to the two guard when Coach Fran's son arrives on campus.
Not only did they closeout the game but they battled back from being down 7 in the last 10 minutes of the game. Michigan was on a run and Coach Fran called a time out and the team regrouped and went on a 7-0 or 9-0 run to get back in the game. That is huge.
Does he have limitations absolutely but I like winners period and this kid is a winner. He comes from a basketball family of multiple good players. Will there be better point guards out there? Absolutely, but we have a kid who is a player, is mentally tough and is not afraid of the moment.
In a half a season he's already taken and made 2 dagger threes in critical times that helped us win big games. When is the last time we had a PG do that at Iowa? He's actually adding a little to his game as you are starting to see him drive and hit some shots inside the arc. He will continue to have to work on angles and be crafty because of his limitations but I am putting my money on that he will.
I am actually surprised at what he has done so far this year. Thought you might see some of this next year after a year in the program. Really expected him to split minutes all year with Williams but he's actually putting distance between them.
I kind of think some posters who have already planted their flags early against him and Fran in terms of PG recruits are now nervous that he might turn out to be a pretty good player for us. You see a lot of well he's not a true this or he cannot do that type of stuff .... but folks he's a cold blooded winner.
I feel that Bohannon's supposed deficiency of quickness/inability to get into the lane is overblown quite a bit. He doesn't blow by defenders, but has shown an ability to get into the lane, and we saw a nice layup and a floater today. By comparison, 4* PG, and another guy we were after last year that would have fit the "Quick, penetrating PG" in Xavier Simpson didn't do a whole lot for Michigan today. I'd take Bohannon over Simpson all day.
Also, why do you think that Conner would force Jordan to the off guard? (I haven't seen Connor play, so I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you) I thought that Connor's game and athleticism resembled Jordan's quite a bit.
I'm right here. He'll have his ups and downs. He's a 2G that might end up being a serviceable PG. Doesn't change my opinion AT ALL! He is not now and likely will never be a top tier BIG PG. So don't act like he didn't shit the bed at Purdue. Go smoke a Cyclown pole.
He's got a high Basketball IQ. That will help him overcome a lot of deficiencies.
If he plays like that the rest of the BIG season, I'll come back and eat my crow. No problem. The next time he shits the bed again, I'll come right back here like a petty little bitch and call you out, in kind.
If crapping the bed at Purdue is 4 assists and zero turnovers okay he did. He shot poorly at 2-8 but he's going to do that some games and already has. He will have some poor games in the future handling the ball too. I am pretty certain that happens to even the very best players now and then.
I could have sworn a number of guys did not play well at Purdue including our best player Jok 4-15, 3 turnovers. Somehow JBo is singled out in a 22 point loss?
You can keep your Cyclown paraphernalia.
Well in fairness, you did call Scout out with a thread specifically labeled with his handle in it. What type of response did you think you were going to get from him?
"the next time he shits the bed again".........that's not too pretty good English.
I'm not looking, or opening anything up, but I've got a good idea who you are conversing with. Today would have been a good day for him to own up and say, "I've been wrong." But I'll bet without looking that isn't what is being said.
So in effect, Fran just beat Michigan AND his strategy and recruiting just beat the snot out of a couch coach who won't admit defeat.
Just like Cal Ripken had a high baseball I.Q. and that helped him overcome his lack of physical range at shortstop.
But I'm not wrong. He got abused at Purdue.I'm not looking, or opening anything up, but I've got a good idea who you are conversing with. Today would have been a good day for him to own up and say, "I've been wrong." But I'll bet without looking that isn't what is being said.
So in effect, Fran just beat Michigan AND his strategy and recruiting just beat the snot out of a couch coach who won't admit defeat.
Take what? He had an awful game and a good game. What's to take? What am I supposed to take away from this? Peter Jok takes a lot of defensive attention, each and every game. That provides the other guards on the team a lot more breathing room than they will get after Pete is gone. You can keep calling me out if you want. If I occupy enough space in your brain, maybe some basketball IQ might leak in. Who knows?
Yes that's a really fair point and I'll eat crow when it's my turn. Wrong many, many, many times. Always glad to be wrong especially when Iowa wins as a result. In fact if you want let's put up a thread now on me so I can eat crap. No problem and I'll be accountable. Nebraska is hot right now and has good guards which will be a huge test for our guards. It could be ugly. Another learning opportunity with post season play unlikely. Take all of these on this year so we are ready to make a run next year.
By the way I also like a lot of the other young players we have too and am excited to see us add the next couple of guys to the mix next year.
JB arrived we he came in at about the 7'+ mark of the second half. Until then, he seemed outclassed athletically. He finally overcame the jitters and played with the grit and determination he's got to to compete at this level. However, I liked the Jok and committee PG that we played when JB wasn't playing well or was out.
I hope I am wrong. I'll eat crow when he delivers our first BIG title since 1979. Our he is named 1st team ALL BIG. Barring either of those 2 becoming reality, I'll go to my grave thinking we should have signed a better PG.
The pessimism about Bohannon is crazy. He continues to improve at getting inside the defense. He's a great shooter, who made big 3s and big free throws at crunch time. He's learning to play better defense and his trend line is clearly up. Great game today.
How many times to Crispin point out Bohannon's eyes probing the defense on his way up court? Bohannon is a real point guard with what looks to be a very good shot. Big long term upside.
Also, notice how much better the whole team plays when Bohannon's on the court relative to Williams minutes? Really would like to see how the teams plays with Dailey at the point in instead of Williams.
How many times to Crispin point out Bohannon's eyes probing the defense on his way up court? Bohannon is a real point guard with what looks to be a very good shot. Big long term upside.
Also, notice how much better the whole team plays when Bohannon's on the court relative to Williams minutes? Really would like to see how the teams plays with Dailey at the point in instead of Williams.
Totally agree that Jok draws a lot of attention. It's nice to have a couple of guys that can knock down looks because of that. Moss is the guy that will be our starting 2 next year assuming he's back. He can shoot the 3 but can also drive/slash to attack the basket. Will he be Jok senior level next year? Probably not but he will be on that path.
We will also be much stronger inside with the addition of Garza & Nunge along with Kreiner if he returns. Add that to Cook & Pemsl. At the 4 & 5 we could put a lot of pressure on teams to sag in some to double. That's going to leave JBo & Moss open at times. JBo is the type of kid that can make teams pay. Moss is supposed to be a streak 3 point shooter making a number in practice. We've seen him make a few this year but with Joks absence he will get more opportunities.
The big question is who plays the 3? Number one question for next year besides who is transferring out due to lack of PT or role.
I think we'll start a back court of Bohannon, McCaffrey and Moss. Not sure who would be the official 3. Probably Moss.
Obviously, you know very little about BB. Bohannon has some strengths and some weaknesses if you want to do an honest assessment of him in relation to the PG position. His strengths play more to the 2 than they do to PG. Bottom line, the kid is a competitor. This was probably his fifth solid game so far this season and he picked a great time to have it.
You seem kind of his mirror image.
How many times are you going to beat your chest that you liked the kid? Geez.
I put more emphasis on the PG spot. College basketball is a guard driven league. If Cook decides to play defense every game, like he did today, he'll be an All BIG 4. Moss might get there. He's got skills.
This thread is bordering the reason why I don't visit message boards very often, and equally why I don't post outside of the lounge.
This is a legit question for you, because your above post come across as almost personal distaste for the young man.
1) The two criteria you list are the career peaks for any player in the conference. The first would be considered a team achievement. Are you seriously saying if Bohannon doesn't accomplish either or both he is not worth the scholarship offer?
2) He will undoubtedly struggle (and improve) over the course of his Freshman season. One of your earlier posts reads as if you are looking forward to him struggling in future games so you can come back to the board and rip into him. Since the written word is more difficult to decipher than the spoken, I'm asking you to clarify whether you are truly wishing the young man to succeed.
I certainly agree about JB playing better than Williams- actually surprised by that compared to how I thought it would go prior to the season. The lineup without JB or Williams surprised me with how well it worked. I'd be ready to go with that rather than Williams. But I do think JB was athletically intimidated for a good stretch of the game. He finally arrived and was instrumental in the win.
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