Where is ScottRefugee and his no PG mantra

[ScoutRefugee]

This thread is bordering the reason why I don't visit message boards very often, and equally why I don't post outside of the lounge.

This is a legit question for you, because your above post come across as almost personal distaste for the young man.

1) The two criteria you list are the career peaks for any player in the conference. The first would be considered a team achievement. Are you seriously saying if Bohannon doesn't accomplish either or both he is not worth the scholarship offer?

2) He will undoubtedly struggle (and improve) over the course of his Freshman season. One of your earlier posts reads as if you are looking forward to him struggling in future games so you can come back to the board and rip into him. Since the written word is more difficult to decipher than the spoken, I'm asking you to clarify whether you are truly wishing the young man to succeed.

1). There's a good reason why you avoid message boards. You obviously have a difficult time with understanding what is posted. Please provide the quoted post where I said "Bohannon isn't worth the scholarship offer". Because that's a hell of a lot different than what I posted. The written word isn't that difficult to understand, now is it?

2). I don't come to this board to rip him. I was the person attacked by the OP in this thread. My promise was to turn around and do the same thing to the OP, when he struggles in a future game, which we all know he will do. I have no intention of actually doing that because I don't fault Bohannon for struggling to play PG in the BIG. Fran has left us with no other options. If Fran called me up and asked me to come play back up PG for Bohannon, would you blame me for taking the court (I'm 45) or would you take that issue up with Fran?

 

[ZumaHawk]

Not sure why any of us even argue with ScoutRefuge. He thinks he's always right..never wrong. Dislikes our coaches/players unless they are 1st Team All Big10. Then claims he'll eat crow. 12 teams with 15 players......only so many 1st teamers. He dislikes a lot of players. Unbelievable really!

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I certainly agree about JB playing better than Williams- actually surprised by that compared to how I thought it would go prior to the season. The lineup without JB or Williams surprised me with how well it worked. I'd be ready to go with that rather than Williams. But I do think JB was athletically intimidated for a good stretch of the game. He finally arrived and was instrumental in the win.

Bohannon is a much better option at PG than Williams.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Not sure why any of us even argue with ScoutRefuge. He thinks he's always right..never wrong. Dislikes our coaches/players unless they are 1st Team All Big10. Then claims he'll eat crow. 12 teams with 15 players......only so many 1st teamers. He dislikes a lot of players. Unbelievable really!

....yawn.

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

Terrehawk the badass behind the keyboard love to see you talk to my face, but your most likely a internet nerd bully.

Have fun with the win and team loser.

 

[K OKeefe]

Bohannon is a much better option at PG than Williams.

Williams reminds me of Anthony Clemmons as a sophomore. I thought Williams would really work on his game and be the go to guy this year at PG. Williams seems to have not grown or regressed as a player.

 

[iowa surfer]

Does he have limitations absolutely but I like winners period and this kid is a winner. He comes from a basketball family of multiple good players. Will there be better point guards out there? Absolutely, but we have a kid who is a player, is mentally tough and is not afraid of the moment.

In a half a season he's already taken and made 2 dagger threes in critical times that helped us win big games. When is the last time we had a PG do that at Iowa? He's actually adding a little to his game as you are starting to see him drive and hit some shots inside the arc. He will continue to have to work on angles and be crafty because of his limitations but I am putting my money on that he will.

I am actually surprised at what he has done so far this year. Thought you might see some of this next year after a year in the program. Really expected him to split minutes all year with Williams but he's actually putting distance between them.

I kind of think some posters who have already planted their flags early against him and Fran in terms of PG recruits are now nervous that he might turn out to be a pretty good player for us. You see a lot of well he's not a true this or he cannot do that type of stuff .... but folks he's a cold blooded winner.

HE'S A WINNER.LIKE HIS FAMILY.TOUGH!

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

Ken okeef i would rather have Clemmons his sophomore year which was his worst than williams. Sapp has so much more basketball IQ. Williams takes stupid shots and turns the ball over everytime.

Everyone have a good night I'm off to friends house so we can have adult time since my wife and I have a 3 year old who can play with our friends 4 and 5 year old.

Can't wait for the Nebraska game! They are hot and have a decent RPI would be a good win now!

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Williams reminds me of Anthony Clemmons as a sophomore. I thought Williams would really work on his game and be the go to guy this year at PG. Williams seems to have not grown or regressed as a player.

Williams reminds me of a one-on-one player. You know the type I mean? On the playground, in a one-on-one situation, he looks unstoppable. Throw in 8 other moving players in the half court and he's spending too much time trying to figure it out. Dribbles the ball a little too long. Doesn't deliver the pass at the right time. Doesn't seem to know what to do without the ball. I've seen a lot of players like that and he's got the tells. That doesn't mean he can't figure it out. He can. I don't know how long it's gonna take.

 

[non-poster]

1). There's a good reason why you avoid message boards. You obviously have a difficult time with understanding what is posted. Please provide the quoted post where I said "Bohannon isn't worth the scholarship offer". Because that's a hell of a lot different than what I posted. The written word isn't that difficult to understand, now is it?

2). I don't come to this board to rip him. I was the person attacked by the OP in this thread. My promise was to turn around and do the same thing to the OP, when he struggles in a future game, which we all know he will do. I have no intention of actually doing that because I don't fault Bohannon for struggling to play PG in the BIG. Fran has left us with no other options. If Fran called me up and asked me to come play back up PG for Bohannon, would you blame me for taking the court (I'm 45) or would you take that issue up with Fran?

As a former player and coach I can absolutely tell you the spoken and the written word can (and often are) interpreted differently. That's why I asked you to clarify the "going to your grave thinking we should have signed a better point guard" comment. It came across as implied.

Both your paragraphs are a response and not an answer. 1) I asked if he did not accomplish the two criteria you listed if he would not be worth it for you. 2) Not faulting him and supporting him are two different things.

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

As a former high school player and coach of Kids I agree with you non poster....lol just playing besides playing high school ball and coaching kids when I was player.

Just having alittle fun with ya.

 

[non-poster]

As a former high school player and coach of Kids I agree with you non poster....lol just playing besides playing high school ball and coaching kids when I was player.

Just having alittle fun with ya.

No problem.

Participating as both at a mid-major (before the term was popular) most coaches I talk to at the lowest to even the highest level all have stories about what they know they said to a player and how the player heard (or chose to hear it) and then having to play psychologist afterward.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

As a former player and coach I can absolutely tell you the spoken and the written word can (and often are) interpreted differently. That's why I asked you to clarify the "going to your grave thinking we should have signed a better point guard" comment. It came across as implied.

Both your paragraphs are a response and not an answer. 1) I asked if he did not accomplish the two criteria you listed if he would not be worth it for you. 2) Not faulting him and supporting him are two different things.

1). Your premise is loaded for BS. Saying that I wanted Fran to sign a better player at PG, doesn't mean that I believe Bohannon is not worthy of a scholarship. You're loading that question to put words in my mouth. It does not deserve a response. It is not what I said or implied. I would have much rather had Fran signed a better PG. If that statement confuses you.....I'm sorry?
2). What's you definition of "supporting him"? What the Hell does that even mean?

 

[HawkLogic]

I like Bohannon. Don't know why anyone would be opposed to getting another PG on the team with some quicks to complement him. Connor seems like a another bigger guard, slower..will get taken off the dribble. There is a logjam at 4-5 position in numbers, not a lot of guards if you consider CW looks like he might be a miss and Jok is graduating and Baer has trouble guarding the 3.

 

[hooper56]

Jordan seems to have gotten "quicker" to me. Early on he seemed pretty slow but now I think it was because he was tentative. I think he understands what to do now and has confidence. Lack of hesitation, if you will. Several times today he drove to the basket and converted or passed to an open shooter. Michigan is about as quick as you will find and he regularly blew past guys. He handed Travis Walton his lunch today. Wow.

 

[MagicCoach]

You can say what you want after every game every kid plays, always ups and downs to basketball but he outplayed Walton today. Honestly Walton and Irvin were really bad today.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I like Bohannon. Don't know why anyone would be opposed to getting another PG on the team with some quicks to complement him. Connor seems like a another bigger guard, slower..will get taken off the dribble. There is a logjam at 4-5 position in numbers, not a lot of guards if you consider CW looks like he might be a miss and Jok is graduating and Baer has trouble guarding the 3.

I'm liking what I see from Moss and if Connor and Bohannon can sort of "share" the PG position with some effectiveness, they could be a good back court. Ellingsen and Dailey coming off the bench. Baer will have to sub at the 3 into that starting back court. The issues will be on the defensive end, IMO. What that will mean for the W/L record is anyone's guess.

 

[hooper56]

You can say what you want after every game every kid plays, always ups and downs to basketball but he outplayed Walton today. Honestly Walton and Irvin were really bad today.

Except late when they were raining 3s. Yikes!

 

[And1Hawk]

Carson Edwards from Purdue went 3-14, 1-5 from 3, 2 assists, 2 turnovers today. He's playing off the ball some with PJ bringing the ball up but goes to show how you can look great night one night and not so good the next... especially with young players.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Jordan seems to have gotten "quicker" to me. Early on he seemed pretty slow but now I think it was because he was tentative. I think he understands what to do now and has confidence. Lack of hesitation, if you will. Several times today he drove to the basket and converted or passed to an open shooter. Michigan is about as quick as you will find and he regularly blew past guys. He handed Travis Walton his lunch today. Wow.

I expected Michigan to give us more trouble in the back court today. They've got a lot of experience there. It was nice to see our guards step up at home.

 

[youcantguardme]

Jordan seems to have gotten "quicker" to me. Early on he seemed pretty slow but now I think it was because he was tentative. I think he understands what to do now and has confidence. Lack of hesitation, if you will. Several times today he drove to the basket and converted or passed to an open shooter. Michigan is about as quick as you will find and he regularly blew past guys. He handed Travis Walton his lunch today. Wow.

Yeah I was thinking to myself is Jordan really that much slower than Gesell? Yet we think the best part of MG's game was his D. Jordan can get there, and close a game with his shot.

 

[MagicCoach]

Walton had a chance to win the game in regulation and squandered the chance! Hawk fans everywhere should be happy he lost his dam mind on that play

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Carson Edwards from Purdue went 3-14, 1-5 from 3, 2 assists, 2 turnovers today. He's playing off the ball some with PJ bringing the ball up but goes to show how you can look great night one night and not so good the next... especially with young players.

Minnesota is a very difficult team to defend. Their guards test you on both ends of the court. Murphy is a beast. 10.6 PPG and 8.6 RPG in a 6'6 SF. Good size in the 4/5 spots.

 

[youcantguardme]

Very strong team. Moved Biggie around yet he still ended up with up with 28/22 incredible. Swanigan settled for that blocked 3 attempt and that's when I knew the Boilers were in trouble. Gophers wore them down.

 

[And1Hawk]

Minnesota is a very difficult team to defend. Their guards test you on both ends of the court. Murphy is a beast. 10.6 PPG and 8.6 RPG in a 6'6 SF. Good size in the 4/5 spots.

Agree.... Minny could surprise this year. Not win it but be in that top 4-5. Assuming they keep their kids out of trouble.

 

[K OKeefe]

Williams reminds me of a one-on-one player. You know the type I mean? On the playground, in a one-on-one situation, he looks unstoppable. Throw in 8 other moving players in the half court and he's spending too much time trying to figure it out. Dribbles the ball a little too long. Doesn't deliver the pass at the right time. Doesn't seem to know what to do without the ball. I've seen a lot of players like that and he's got the tells. That doesn't mean he can't figure it out. He can. I don't know how long it's gonna take.

Excellent analogy of his game. For some reason many players want to check the ball for air. Former college coach Dick DeVenzio coined the term "Pee Dribbling" and taught that "Pee Dribbling" only allows the defense to get set. Attack the defense with the pass, most defenses will begin to break down with good offensive spacing and and two or three passes. Great players learn how to play without the ball.

 

[non-poster]

Excellent analogy of his game. For some reason many players want to check the ball for air. Former college coach Dick DeVenzio coined the term "Pee Dribbling" and taught that "Pee Dribbling" only allows the defense to get set. Attack the defense with the pass, most defenses will begin to break down with good offensive spacing and and two or three passes. Great players learn how to play without the ball.

Coach DeVenzio was both a great student and teacher of the game.

OKeefe have you read his book STUFF!?

 

[terrehawk]

Terrehawk the badass behind the keyboard love to see you talk to my face, but your most likely a internet nerd bully.

Have fun with the win and team loser.

LOL.

Keeo beating your chest message board hero

 

[K OKeefe]

Coach DeVenzio was both a great student and teacher of the game.

OKeefe have you read his book STUFF!?

Yes, I have couple of his books and that was one of the books that PGC included in the package. My son has attended a couple of the PGC camps.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Yes, I have couple of his books and that was one of the books that PGC included in the package. My son has attended a couple of the PGC camps.

What did you think of the PGC camps?

 

[K OKeefe]

What did you think of the PGC camps?

Great camps. They really focus on the fundamentals at the first two levels. We drove from Montana to Ames for a PGC shooting camp run by former Hawkeye and member of the last Iowa team to reach the Sweet 16 Duez Henderson. My son really enjoyed it and improved a great deal. The PGC camp improved his basketball I.Q.

 

[jhawkinaz]

Just like Cal Ripken had a high baseball I.Q. and that helped him overcome his lack of physical range at shortstop.

apologies in advance for going way off topic by commenting on a baseball analogy in a basketball thread......but Ripken not having very good range at shortstop is a common misconception.

I think it may just be because he was bigger than other flashy shortstops of that time, and also because he had a process of only diving for balls that he thought he had a chance to throw out the runner. If he knew it was going to be an infield single, he let the ball go through to the outfield instead of diving to knock it down, and saved the wear and tear on his body.....unless there was a runner on second, then he would dive and knock it down

 

[non-poster]

Yes, I have couple of his books and that was one of the books that PGC included in the package. My son has attended a couple of the PGC camps.

Should be required reading for anyone interested in basketball. I'd also recommend "Runnin The Show" and "There's Only One Way To Win"
When Coach DeVenzio passed away there was concern about what would happen with PCG. Don't know if you know the background, but Dena Evans should be applauded for keeping it going. Last I checked there were around 20 instructors that had been recruited and trained to conduct it.

 

[K OKeefe]

apologies in advance for going way off topic by commenting on a baseball analogy in a basketball thread......but Ripken not having very good range at shortstop is a common misconception.

I think it may just be because he was bigger than other flashy shortstops of that time, and also because he had a process of only diving for balls that he thought he had a chance to throw out the runner. If he knew it was going to be an infield single, he let the ball go through to the outfield instead of diving to knock it down, and saved the wear and tear on his body.....unless there was a runner on second, then he would dive and knock it down

It is obviously a matter of opinion, but I thought I would include this link.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-cal1990sep23-story.html

 

[K OKeefe]

Should be required reading for anyone interested in basketball. I'd also recommend "Runnin The Show" and "There's Only One Way To Win"
When Coach DeVenzio passed away there was concern about what would happen with PCG. Don't know if you know the background, but Dena Evans should be applauded for keeping it going. Last I checked there were around 20 instructors that had been recruited and trained to conduct it.

Dena was an excellent player and she is a good instructor. Mano Watsa is running PGC now and he has kept the tradition that Dick DeVenzio established.

 

[youcantguardme]

apologies in advance for going way off topic by commenting on a baseball analogy in a basketball thread......but Ripken not having very good range at shortstop is a common misconception.

I think it may just be because he was bigger than other flashy shortstops of that time, and also because he had a process of only diving for balls that he thought he had a chance to throw out the runner. If he knew it was going to be an infield single, he let the ball go through to the outfield instead of diving to knock it down, and saved the wear and tear on his body.....unless there was a runner on second, then he would dive and knock it down

I joined this site to talk Hawks yet this is my favorite post yet. You nailed it. Cal had no wasted motion.

 

[Bearhawk0505]

Jbo is doing a good job at the point. It would be great to have another PG on the roster to allow him to play some 2 also and come off screens for some looks. Maybe we see this next year with Connor on the team. At this point, I am for giving the backup PG minutes to Moss. Jbo may be the player we can least afford to lose to injury.

 

[jhawkinaz]

It is obviously a matter of opinion, but I thought I would include this link.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-cal1990sep23-story.html

Thanks for the link, that's a fun read. I will go along with the quote from his brother Billy. I watched Cal play a lot, and he has good range. Playing at the same time with, and being compared to, the two Ozzies that could just about cover bag to bag did him no favors with his critics. Jeter had no range either compared to those two.

 

[non-poster]

Dena was an excellent player and she is a good instructor. Mano Watsa is running PGC now and he has kept the tradition that Dick DeVenzio established.

Not bad for a Canadian. ; )

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Both your paragraphs are a response and not an answer.

A very important difference.