Assume he means Brad Stevens.
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Gotcha. I'm not sure what Lick was good at with Butler. It doesn't seem like it was his recruiting prowess.
So, the Hawks need an awesome asst coach with an NBA future. Ok.
Who could Iowa's Juwan Howard be?
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Assume he means Brad Stevens.
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Gotcha. I'm not sure what Lick was good at with Butler. It doesn't seem like it was his recruiting prowess.
So, the Hawks need an awesome asst coach with an NBA future. Ok.
Then the thought is to hire a figurehead HC and a dynamite assistant?
I'm not sure why Lick had so much success at Butler (other than Brad Stevens) and then tanked so horribly at Iowa. Maybe he was a decent leader of a good program, but totally lost in the reclamation project at Iowa.
My thought is to build out a complete coaching staff with complementing strengths. Folks here want to bring in a defensive minded assistant to help round out Fran’s staff now. FWIW, I think that Fran coaches fine defense, but it isn’t the strength of the players he brings in - at least not since Gesell, Clemmons, Woodbury, Olaseni - typically, but not exclusively, due to athletic limitations and an inability to move laterally
I’m also not sure I’d downplay BJ as a figurehead. I won’t pretend to know what his level of understanding of basketball strategy is, but imagine that, whether it be from a player development perspective or strategy perspective, he could provide more than that.
BJ Armstrong. Not sure he would leave his sports agent job in LA to come coach in Iowa though...
We had a glory player hire in Steve Alford, and that went so well. Not sure the athletic administration would bring in another guy like that over a proven commodity from another school.
We had a glory player hire in Steve Alford, and that went so well. Not sure the athletic administration would bring in another guy like that over a proven commodity from another school.
Do you think kids remember Juwan Howard? I was in 5th grade when the Fab Five were freshmen. I turn 40 in July.
If BJ would be willing, I'd give him a try. Dean Oliver is probably the most viable option, though.
Not even remotely close.
Hell, if we are looking for NBA on the resume let's start with Reggie.
Some of you dolts are amazing 👏
How many former players like Juwan even WANT to go through the riggers of coaching and recruiting ($ aside).
Isn't Kevin Gamble out coaching somewhere? Bring him in as an assistant for recruiting?
As boring as it is, the Wisconsin method is probably our best chance to win with the players Iowa has to offer.
Isn't Kevin Gamble out coaching somewhere? Bring him in as an assistant for recruiting?
As boring as it is, the Wisconsin method is probably our best chance to win with the players Iowa has to offer.
What I think is missing in all this discussion is the passion and fire in the belly that any former player would have to recruit, develop and run a major college bball program. This is what makes Howard incredibly unique and unfortunately cemented in Ann Arbor for as long as he wishes. There are not many players that have made as much money as he has and have had the success in the game that he has that want to coach and then be good at it!
I'd suggest you come to the realization that Juwan Howard is going to take Michigan bball to an elite place in the game. With the recruits he has lined up, they are going to be in rarified air. It's now time to take the approach that with all the resources he has, anything less than elite 8 each year is failure. That should be his benchmark.
Juwan certainly is the shiny new toy of coaching and with Coach K and Izzo nearing the end, he could have an amazing run.
I'd suggest you come to the realization that Juwan Howard is going to take Michigan bball to an elite place in the game. With the recruits he has lined up, they are going to be in rarified air. It's now time to take the approach that with all the resources he has, anything less than elite 8 each year is failure. That should be his benchmark.
Juwan certainly is the shiny new toy of coaching and with Coach K and Izzo nearing the end, he could have an amazing run.
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Oh you don't say. Yeah those assistants probably don't pick up on anything from head coaches. I'm sure he learned nothing from Spoelstra. Or any of the coaches he played for (Bickerstaff, Don Nelson, Rivers, Van Gundy, McMillan). Yeah Howard doesn't know anything, you're right.
There is no former Iowa player with Howard's resume.
Most of the game is recruiting. I want the next coach to actually be able to land some legit top 50 players. How about a one and done first rounder. Scour overseas and the transfer portal.
Find some good Xs and Os assistants. Get a P. Martelli who wants to be the elder statesman supporting a younger coach.
Maybe BJ could bring in the players. He might not have any interest in coaching, though. I care a lot more about a guy that will bring in higher caliber recruits than that guy being a former Hawk baller.
Most of the game is recruiting. I want the next coach to actually be able to land some legit top 50 players. How about a one and done first rounder. Scour overseas and the transfer portal.
Find some good Xs and Os assistants. Get a P. Martelli who wants to be the elder statesman supporting a younger coach.
Maybe BJ could bring in the players. He might not have any interest in coaching, though. I care a lot more about a guy that will bring in higher caliber recruits than that guy being a former Hawk baller.
We don't have anyone like Howard from an NBA career perspective when you account for the recency. Guy spent a lot of time in the league and has a lot big name connections and it's recent enough that it resonates with today's teens. Todays college and high school players easily remember him being on NBA finals rosters with Lebron and DWade less than 10 years ago.
goodbyebobby is what most people would call 'slow'. The not so kind description would be he is a moron of epic proportions. The original poster asked who the Hawk equivalent to Howard would be? Howard was a Michigan grad, played in the NBA and has assisting coaching experience prior to being hired at Michigan. Sure, we could identify dozens of former Hawk players to potentially coach at Iowa, but just about every one I can think of lacks the combo of playing in the NBA and having NBA coaching experience such as Howard prior to his arrival at Michigan. I would love to hear from goodbyebobby so he can advise what other former hawks meet this criteria beyond Bowen? I'll hang up and listen but I fully expect crickets from goodbyebobby.
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Howard didn't even sniff double digit points since like 2006, hardly recent. I get that he is more of a known quantity than say, Benjamin Jr., but he is only a few years younger. People are throwing around that he was an NBA coach, he was an assistant, big difference. I get it though, the guy checks a lot of boxes. It doesnt mean we have to try and carbon copy.
I think the reality is that we just dont have very many guys that are alums that also had long NBA tenures. I think the alum thing is overrated. We just have to find someone who can RECRUIT and be a good motivator.
There's no doubt Bowen is as close of a version, obviously on a lesser scale as you said. He went to Iowa, played in the NBA for 10 years, & has been a coach in the NBA for 10 years.
Your past paragraph is exactly spot on. Part of what makes Howard successful is that he's coaching at Michigan. If he had come to Iowa (to coach), I don't think he would have had the same recruiting success. It's working for him because of who he is and where he's coaching.
There is no doubt coaching at Michigan has its inherent advantages. However, I think Howard would be successful at any school he wanted to coach at. Reports dating back to his high schools days suggest he has an infectious personality, is a leader and people gravitate towards him. If memory serves correctly, he was directly responsible for the fab 5 coming to fruition, he got the ball rolling and played a significant role in securing the rest of the commitments in that class. I've never met the guy nor do I know much about him beyond what's been published, but its hard not to like the guy and what he is doing.
Not what I said. You can read, right?
Martelli is a GREAT coach. Howard is learning from him and doing a good job recruiting. It's not like MI is a hinterland - they are in the middle of very fertile recruiting ground. And the MI staff has brought in good players. But the cupboard was not bare when he came in. And he has Martelli, as I have said. Let's talk again about how great Howard is in 5 years.
There is nothing to show that BJ would recruit any better than what current and past coaches have done. Without connections I would guess that BJ would struggle with recruiting. Honestly I don't want a coach that's telling kids he'll focus on getting them into the NBA. And I think BJ is smart enough to not lead kids on. The kids don't need BJ to tell the "right" people anything. If the kids are good enough, they will get a look from the NBA.
We currently have a staff that recruited enough talent to have a top-10 team at Iowa. That happens about once every 30 years, then Iowa has a dip, the coach gets fired, and we start all over again. How about we let this guy finish what he has started? That's all I am saying.
Really? So there is a potential Juwan Howard from Iowa Basketball lore who could coach them like UM's coach?
Truman St is 17-1, ranked #3 and has 9 players from the state of Iowa on the roster. Interesting at least I guess.
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Martelli does most of what you are crediting Howard with.
Who would be our Martelli? That's the important question.
It's all theoretical so who cares? Not like B.J. Armstrong is a Chess legend, I'm confident he knows some Basketball. He's been an accomplished Player, an Analyst and a Scout, so I assume he knows something.
It's the Jimmy's and Joe's that win most of the games. If B.J. Armstrong can bring in better Jimmy's and Joe's on a regular basis the winning takes care of itself. I would guess kids in Chicago know who he is. Are there any good Basketball players in Chicago?
And if you're worried about his ability to Coach, you've got guys like Speraw for assistants who are readily available. No one's brain is getting operated on here, let's be clear about that.
Make no mistake juwan Howard’s success has more to do with phil Martelli than juwan at this point.
BJ has a very good gig now. He’s not moving to IC. Get that out of your brain as it’s not happening.
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