Who is the next to commit?
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This is like Sophie's Choice...But as long as we get one, we still have Meija and Fatboy for the lower weights. I will be watching Turk's progression at 141...I think JRENT will end up filling out (For the literalists, I have no scientific data supporting this). At least I hope one of these guys do. Somehow, TnT coach up anybody in the first two so I am not too worried. It's why getting a Mark Hall would be terrific. Enough about Hall, it's not Sunday so we cannot discuss such Godly things.
I never thought it would have to be either Lee or Suriano. I think they both belong in gold and black.
I have to be careful (don't want to get a tough lashin' from PapaBear) but it would seem that a lot of scholly money should have cleared up with last years class. I know it's speculation but I have to imagine that guys like Telford (who was either the #2 or 3 Heavy in the country) Dziewa (who was the #1 135lber in the country) Mike Evans (# 1 189lber in the country) and Nick Moore (4X Iowa St Champ) got a decent chunk of scholly money. 3 out of the four guys were out of state recruits (which cost more money). I have no inside info, but just based on logic I have to imagine enough money opened up for Lee AND Suriano. Having heard multiple interviews with both guys, I don't think the money will be the deciding factor in where they land. Their folks are already shelling out private school money for their kids as it is. The vibe I get from both of these kids is that they are going to go where they feel is the best fit for them and where they feel places them in the best position to win national titles (which is obviously Iowa).
A half scholarship is a half scholarship. But that's where it helps to have strong instate talent because a half scholarship to an instate kid is a better deal for an Iowa kid than a half scholarship offer from say a Missouri.
Just because it saves the program money? I think some people think scholarships are determined by how much money is spent. What is needed is kids on full ride academics so it takes no scholarship funds.
No because it saves the wrestlers money. That is why teams like Ok State and possibly Ohio State has an advantage since they offer out of state athletes in state tuition. Iowa should do this.
You missed my point. The Iowa program doesn't particularly need to save money. They could spend 9.9 scholarships on out of state kids and be just fine. Read my post again.
Since we are talking logic, I thought I would check on if your really going to a school to become a National Champion what school would you go to? Since 2005 Oklahoma State has had 14 National Champions to Iowa 8. If you want to just make it to the finals Oklahoma State 21 to Iowa 17. If you just want to look at the last 5 years it will be Oklahoma State 6 National Champions to Iowa 2, as for just making the finals OSU 9 to Iowa 6. If I was looking to be a National Champion and did it by logic I would pick "Back Peddlers" vs "Pushers"I have to be careful (don't want to get a tough lashin' from PapaBear) but it would seem that a lot of scholly money should have cleared up with last years class. I know it's speculation but I have to imagine that guys like Telford (who was either the #2 or 3 Heavy in the country) Dziewa (who was the #1 135lber in the country) Mike Evans (# 1 189lber in the country) and Nick Moore (4X Iowa St Champ) got a decent chunk of scholly money. 3 out of the four guys were out of state recruits (which cost more money). I have no inside info, but just based on logic I have to imagine enough money opened up for Lee AND Suriano. Having heard multiple interviews with both guys, I don't think the money will be the deciding factor in where they land. Their folks are already shelling out private school money for their kids as it is. The vibe I get from both of these kids is that they are going to go where they feel is the best fit for them and where they feel places them in the best position to win national titles (which is obviously Iowa).
At least take away Perrys title and give Evans a finals appearance. Everyone knows Perry was pinned.Since we are talking logic, I thought I would check on if your really going to a school to become a National Champion what school would you go to? Since 2005 Oklahoma State has had 14 National Champions to Iowa 8. If you want to just make it to the finals Oklahoma State 21 to Iowa 17. If you just want to look at the last 5 years it will be Oklahoma State 6 National Champions to Iowa 2, as for just making the finals OSU 9 to Iowa 6. If I was looking to be a National Champion and did it by logic I would pick "Back Peddlers" vs "Pushers"
Mike at least you can admit and provide evidence that passivity and stalling tactics are being rewarded and the rules aren't being properly enforced.
Interesting that you picked 2005 to post results. You are like a clown fan.Since we are talking logic, I thought I would check on if your really going to a school to become a National Champion what school would you go to? Since 2005 Oklahoma State has had 14 National Champions to Iowa 8. If you want to just make it to the finals Oklahoma State 21 to Iowa 17. If you just want to look at the last 5 years it will be Oklahoma State 6 National Champions to Iowa 2, as for just making the finals OSU 9 to Iowa 6. If I was looking to be a National Champion and did it by logic I would pick "Back Peddlers" vs "Pushers"
Since we are talking logic, I thought I would check on if your really going to a school to become a National Champion what school would you go to? Since 2005 Oklahoma State has had 14 National Champions to Iowa 8. If you want to just make it to the finals Oklahoma State 21 to Iowa 17. If you just want to look at the last 5 years it will be Oklahoma State 6 National Champions to Iowa 2, as for just making the finals OSU 9 to Iowa 6. If I was looking to be a National Champion and did it by logic I would pick "Back Peddlers" vs "Pushers"
MIke, if you're going to actually talk about logic at least get the numbers right: Iowa has 9 champs (Perry x2, Metcalf x2, McD x2, St John, Ramos, Borschel each with one) since 2005 (actually since 2007 but I'll get to that in a minute). Also by my count Iowa has 21 finalists since 2005. In the last 5 years Iowa has 3 champs (McD, St John, and Ramos).
But the biggest question I have is why would you go back to 2005? Thats 11 national tourneys so not a nice round number like 10 and Brands didnt start coaching at Iowa until the 2006-2007 season so you're putting 2 years of Zalesky results in the mix. My guess is it had something to do with 2005 and 2006 being the last 2 team titles for the pokes and those two teams contributed 7 champs and 8 finalists tilting the numbers in favor of the pokes. You want to make a valid comparison look at the results since Brands came to Iowa:
Iowa has 9 Champs, 18 finalists,and 55 AAs. To go with 3 team titles, a 2nd, and only 1 finish out of the team top 5 (8th in his first year)
Ok State has 7 champs, 13 finalists, and 35 AAs. They also have 0 team titles, a 2nd, and 4 finishes out of the top 5 including a tremendous 16th in 2009
Good try Mike, I don't hate you for trying there, I admire the effort...just glad "wildcat" typed some logic
As for scholarship $...and I'm not an expert here but I would think a lot of those "out of state" guys become "in state" after one year. This is even a smart technique for non student athletes and one that was even discussed on a recent college visit we just took for my daughter.
As for scholarship $...and I'm not an expert here but I would think a lot of those "out of state" guys become "in state" after one year. This is even a smart technique for non student athletes and one that was even discussed on a recent college visit we just took for my daughter.
I don't believe this is true unless they establish residency for a year before enrolling. They are better off living in Iowa for a year and training and workingGood try Mike, I don't hate you for trying there, I admire the effort...just glad "wildcat" typed some logic
As for scholarship $...and I'm not an expert here but I would think a lot of those "out of state" guys become "in state" after one year. This is even a smart technique for non student athletes and one that was even discussed on a recent college visit we just took for my daughter.
So those schools offer in state tuition to out of state athletes but not other out of state non athlete students? Interesting, the wrestling program should save money where they can since it's not a profitable operation overall just like every sport not named football. I just want to make sure I understand scholarships.
In state tuition $5,000 give $2,500 scholarship equals 0.5 scholarship.
Out of state tuition $100,000 give $50,000 scholarship equals 0.5 scholarship.
Do other financial aid items other than academics fit into this? If a student comes from a poor family and qualifies for regular financial aid will that reduce the scholarship need?
I assume they have to offer the deal to the same number of out of state non athletes
You are correct that .5 scholarship counts the same whether it is 2500 or 50,000. Best case scenario is having the Brent Metcalfs be from Iowa and score 36 on their ACT. It really helps to have out of state kids qualify for academic scholarships or move to Iowa for a year before enrolling.
That's what I was saying. When they get there they start the process of establishing residency so on year #2 they switch to in-state tuition. They will no doubt have more out of pocket expense their freshman year but if they establish residency that year then the following years they can reap the benefits of in-state tuition. Again, I'm not a pro on this matter but this technique was encouraged at Mizzou a couple weeks ago. I wasn't paying close attention for all the details though as we are in-state and it didn't apply for my daughter.
As for other colleges "waiving" out of state tuition, not all schools do this (Iowa being one it seems). Mizzou doesn't either.
Don't know about Ohio State,but Oklahoma State has for decades had some sort of program for ALL out of state students that if their high school GPA (could be some combo of grades and test scores) is high enough, they qualify for in-state tuition. Given that Iowa's problem with the Board of Regents is too many out of state students, I don't see them adopting that just to help out the wrestling program.
Plus, Oklahoma State is really cheap anyway.
I think Penn State's tuition rates for both state and out of state are among the highest for state schools in the nation. Doesn't help that they get piss-poor support from Harrisburg. The thing that saves them is the assembly line of in-state talent rolling out year after year.
If the state of Ok has PAs talent levels year after year, it would be game over for everyone since even partial in state scholarships go such a long way.
I think some of you are a little confused. The university offers an out of state scholarship to ALL students who meet certain academic criteria. It is multileveled and clearly defined how much you can receive based on test score levels. If some wrestlers use it then good for them for being good students. This should not be confused with the families who have moved to Oklahoma so all of their kids can go to the same school and the hope that they can attend more of their children's matches.
I don't think their tuition changes to in state after the first year but it would be nice if it does. Edit: Lets keep on topic here which is enjoying what an idiot mike is.
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Tuition changes to in state for any person who establishes residency after one year. But it rarely happens at that age. It means your parents can no provide financial support and can not claim you as a dependant on their taxes.
I know scholarships are a very big deal to some of these athletes, but I have a feeling the ones who have the financial resources to travel around the country/world to wrestle when they are 8 years old will go to the best school for them weather it's .5 scholarship or full ride.
I was under the impression that once you enroll as an out of state you stay out of state. Thanks to you and Huck for the correction. Now lets get back to making fun of Mike.
