In 2016 he wasn't even listed on the depth chart. Mabin, Fleming, and Draper were considered more talented?
Why didn't Josh Jackson start last season?
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Fleming played for WVU in 2016.
Why is the sky blue? Perhaps he wasn't ready yet after moving to CB from WR. Plus, he had 2 senior starters ahead of him getting all the pub.
I recall one of the players (don't remember exactly who) say that Josh was the 'freakiest' athlete on the team. That was before the 2016 season when he was mainly playing ST. It was the first mention of Josh I had heard.
Fleming and Draper where both on the 2015 team where josh Jackson was consider 3/4 on depth chart.. last year Jackson had a little sophomore slump and manny passed him up.. only for josh to learn and not be complacent he won the job back and had an all American year
He was always considered physically talented. I think Parker mentioned how he had improved with mental part of game thru film study and understanding how and when to react, etc. As stated, he was behind two seniors. He wasnt going to beat out Des and I dont recall anyone complaining about Manny last year. It s a matter of getting job done on practice field and then doing it in games.
The light definitely went on in 2017 for Jackson.
The light definitely went on in 2017 for Jackson.
Watch his mop up duty against purdue. Got torched for 2 long td's in like 3 minutes. He made huge strides in 2017.
Jackson was behind 2 future NFL DB's in 2016. Or do you want someone to say that the coaches don't recognise talent and don't play the best players?
Yes, that is what they are saying. Because Jackson was great this year, he would have been just as great this year (in fans' minds). Looking at his career trajectory, it's not hard to see what happened. He played quite a bit as a redshirt freshman as the nickel corner. Then in 2016 got beat out by Rugamba and played sparingly until the Nebraska game. Light went on for him and sounds like he seized the opportunity. And the rest is history.
As an aside, I think Rugamba's future is still very bright, he just never got untracked this year due to injuries and his own problem/issue (he was suspended the first game). If he can get healthy and have a good offseason it wouldn't surprise me to see him have a very big year in 2018.
2 First team consensus AA this year on defense and both were 2 star rated coming out of HS so yeah, I’d say they ‘developed’ pretty well.
He was a liability in run support. Added good weight, shored up tackling, mentally took the next step = beast.
Jewell was headed to D3 before Iowa cane calling and Iowa was Jackson’s only P5 offer.
Go back and watch what he did against Lazard one on one back in the 2015 game in Ames. when he was matched up on Lazard that dude was money. I wonder the same thing. why not more playing time, but have to respect what PP has done with the secondary in recent years.
Josh talked about his growing maturity around all aspects of the game early in the season... and it paid off in spades.
Its never taken me long to get good at anything. The minute I start something I am as good at it then as will be in the future. I suspect others are the same.
Yes, and the two senior starters last year are both playing, and starting in the NFL, I believe. Lots of people want to dog on Mabin, but he was a hell of an athlete. The fact that JJ played like he did this year, doesn't mean he was better the those guys last year. I'll go with Phils track record on who to run out there.
Too lazy to read through all but I swear JJ was our Nickel when we went 5 DB in 2016
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Agree! That's why I love watching sports- because it's so dang predictable. There's never any change in ability or quality of play from someone.
Begging your pardon Milt, but I think Fan in Black was simply sarcastically pointing out his own limitations, and poking fun at some of the posts with his comment.
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Oh I know he was and I absolutely agree at the poking fun as I was jumping on that train with him. The thought some may think that players live in a vacuum with abilities never changing cracks me up. Especially when it comes to Parkers coaching abilities - which speaks for itself
If king was back this year, and jackson started the year ahead of manny, I bet people would have been going off on the coaches. "why are these morons not playing the best guys, manny is a superstar in the making blah blah blah"
the coaches see a lot more of them than anyone here
the coaches see a lot more of them than anyone here
That was only for like a game and a half as Manny broke his arm against Illinois so Josh played the rest of that game and started in the Nebraska game and bowl game.
The two guys in front of him last year are both wearing NFL uniforms. Even the much maligned Mabin appeared in 7 NFL regular season games.
That was CJ. Somebody asked him last year who the best athlete on the team was and he did not waste a second in saying "Josh Jackson". There was no doubt in his mind. I think most people hadn't heard much about him before them but I certainly paid attention after that.
And that's one of the reasons Josh's 'upside' is perceived higher than Dez King's; better measurable.
Great question! I also want to know why Mike Daniels wasn't starting in 2008.
Oh yeah, it's because he was a freshman behind King, Kroul, Clayborn, and Ballard.
Oh yeah, it's because he was a freshman behind King, Kroul, Clayborn, and Ballard.
This is an interesting question ... not for how it relates to the players themselves ... but rather for how fans perceive the players AND perhaps how players even perceive themselves.
For example, ask yourself about who you feel you are. Many people tend to take a very STATIC view of themselves. They only consider the elements of themselves that they feel don't change ... and they use that as a model to characterize who they feel they are. However, in truth, who we are is dynamically changing ... based on our experiences, based on changes to our body chemistry, based on where we are in our lives, etc.
I honestly believe that some people look at individuals on the football team ... and they do not consider the inherent dynamicism of the players.
Players learn from film study of their own team and opposing teams ... to learn about how football strategies interplay between offenses and defenses. From this, they learn about their own tendencies ... tendencies of their fellow players ... and tendencies of opposing players. They learn about keys that they need to look for ... particular steps, hand-placements, etc ... things that the opposition do. Given those "inputs" ... they determine output actions that they can or should do in response.
On top of the above, there are the basics that the players can improve upon too. Based on the different positions ... they can work on footwork require for their given position ... the use of hand-play ... how best to utilize leverage to their advantage, etc. Of course, there are also the fundamentals of even just tackling and blocking too. These fundamental techniques are things that are emphasized at Iowa ... but are things that many programs gloss over. Many programs assume players know the fundamentals from high school ... and they place much more emphasis on strategy. However, usually such "schemers" don't place players into the NFL nearly as well as Iowa does.
Furthermore, there is all the physical development that results from the work that the players do with Doyle. Players who truly "get it" ... that is, players who understand how Ferentz wants to build the program ... they're the first players who give Coach Doyle heaps of praise for how he's helped them to transform themselves. What's really cool ... is that the transformation transcends their physical changes. By learning to push themselves beyond what they ever thought they were capable of doing physically .... they learn to push themselves in terms of how they approach the game ... how they push themselves mentally too. This then gets reflected in their maturity level ... and translates to some of the biggest gains that they make on the field.
Thus, this affirms what I almost always hold about pretty much ALL Iowa players. The Hawk coaches almost always bring in players who have great raw skills ... great athleticism, great work-ethic, great personalities, etc .... however, nobody truly is a "finished product" when they step onto campus (nor should they be). Some fans seem to think that Ferentz's developmental philosophy is a negative attribute of the program ... however, it emphasizes their dedication as educators ... their dedication to helping the players push themselves to improve themselves (in all facets).
Why did Josh Jackson not start earlier? Because he wasn't the same player then that he is now ... simple question, simple answer.
Of course, some fans would want to suggest that the coaches don't play the more talented players .... and those same fans tend to be rather static thinkers too.
