Is the POTUS calling them criminals?
What crimes did they allegedly commit according to Joe Biden?
What crimes did they allegedly commit according to Joe Biden?
Why do Anthony Fauci, Liz Cheney, and Adam Shiff need preemptive Pardons?
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Boy that doesn’t seem fishy at all. Especially coming from a guy/party that cares about the American people.
Then again I’m sure someone or some group is telling him what to do.
Then again I’m sure someone or some group is telling him what to do.
Because they are all felons like hunter biden.
What is, because a vindictive, corrupt convicted felon is coming to power and may want to extract revenge on people he doesn't like, Alex?
What crimes did they commit? Which crimes is Biden pardoning? Not the least bit interested?
But why would any innocent person(s) have anything to worry about?
Shouldn’t need any protection if that’s the case.
They're criminals and the left doesn't care. If you walk in line with the cult then any other crimes can be forgiven.
I don't get this at all. This is why at the moment I can't listen to Liberals. They claim the other side are liars & criminals but this kind of crap takes place and the sheep will defend it.
The idea is that the Trump admin would prosecute for simply political reasons.
Pre-emptive pardons should not exist. Maybe if Biden abuses the crap out of the idea of these things it will force Republicans to actually participate in legislation to reign it in. It sure as shit wouldn't happen if Trump were giving them out. But it certainly isn't automatic that Democrats won't be on board to do it if Biden tried this.
I’d be fine doing away with the pardon power altogether.
Trump and Biden have each shown Presidents can’t be trusted to use it properly.
This is all projection by dems. They know they prosecuted Trump for political purposes so they assume he would do the same back to them. But what evidence do they have to support this? Trump did not go after Hillary when he could have.
The dems are lying cheating bastards and this pardon stuff is just more evidence as to how corrupt they are.
All the fed investigations into Trump were legitimate. Those sort of investigations should exist when appropriate.
They didn't commit any crimes. The pardon is to ward off pointless political prosecutions because Trump wants to exact revenge.
Trump was prosecuted because he broke the law. He was found guilty as well.
A grand jury indicted him. That's not political.
Trump was targeted because of who he was. Plain and simple.
There are lots of issues with the Trump cases that will allow Trump to win on appeal. But an actual conviction that stands was never the purpose of these lawsuits. The goal was to make it difficult for Trump to run for president and win. Sending him to jail would have been a bonus. But it all backfired on dems and now they are scared that their shady tactics will come back to hurt them.
Biden and the dems have no shame. They will look out for themselves first even though the optics are very bad. See hunter pardon.
I have two things to say about that. First, he who is without sin, cast the first stone. Second, shouldn't have used the justice system against so many people if you didn't want it brought back to you. No party stays in power forever, and retaliation can be a bitch.
I’d be okay with creating a nonpartisan committee with 1 member of each party from both chambers to review pardon requests before being issued by POTUS, and/or placing limits such that 1) they cannot be issued to family members or 2) place limits on them.
I appreciate the pardon as an last-ditch option to correct a miscarriage of justice, but not the political tool it’s been for too long.
but isn't this the answer to the question?
trump - and the people he's nominating - have made no secret about their desire to do this. and if, as trump and his supporters have been saying, a determined DOJ can conjure crimes and get convictions out of nothing (as they did to trump, right?), why wouldn't the democrats use their power to get in front of that?
Maybe he shouldn’t have called the Georgia SoS to interfere in that election count, or attempt to overthrow the results of the 2020 election, or not returned classified documents when he shouldn’t have had them to begin with.
In a sense though, you’re right…he WAS prosecuted because of who he is. No one else would have done those things.
Right.
The cases exist on their own merits.
This isn't to be viewed as a tit for tat. That makes no sense.
They investigated me for stealing a car so you need to be investigated for jay-walking
We have gone over this in many other threads. If you are on the left, I have no doubt you believe they are legit lawsuits. I think they were shady and used for political purposes.
We don't need to rehash the lawsuits. I understand Trump may have broken some rules and he may be guilty on some level, but not to the extent that he was prosecuted.
I hope you can see how I would think it was political. Biden doest get charged for documents but Trump has his house raided with certain documents planted to make it look worse than it was. Trump tried for a misdemeanor turned felony in a way no one has been tried before. Fani Willis fraud, criminal mar a lago valuation. You don't have to believe it was political, I am just asking you to see that there is some reasonable doubt.
I would have been ok if Biden pardoned hunter for the tax and gun charges if he simply said I believe my son has changed his ways and as president i have the power to keep him out of jail, so I did it. At least this is honest.
But Biden took the cowards path and lied about pardoning him and then blames political prosecution when that is the exact thing his doj did to Trump. Biden is a joke.
The party of true corruption and political lawfare. They wanted to play the game it seems and now are mad that the rabbit has got the gun.
FWIW, I can get behind your idea in principle, but I feel like it may not be feasible when others are involved. Because it would just set up a different set of political maneuvering, IMO.
Can't lump them all together. Fed lawsuits were legit. A couple of the state ones were stretches. The NY one specifically.
are the democrats mad? or just doing what they can to protect against the things that trump, his supporters, and his appointees have said are coming?
i dont' understand how you can both claim that these kinds of political prosecutions can be conjured out of nothing (as happened to trump, right?), but then also wonder why someone would want to protect themselves even if they weren't guilty
i'd also add that this is an anonymously sourced claim from main stream news...i guess we're taking those as absolute gospel now
Well Gerald Ford did that 50 years ago. I'm sure you can find even wilder examples if you dug back far enough.
Trump and his team believe there were prosecuted for political purposes. They are pissed that Biden and the dems stooped to this level. If it wasn't true that the lawsuits were coordinated and political prosecution, then they shouldn't have anything to worry about right?
You also have to decide if you trust the DOJ. The left have all said the DOJ lawsuits were legitimate, if that is the case, and the legal system is not corrupt, then what would there be to worry about.
I think dems abused the system, Trump and his team are calling their bluff and now dems are shitting in their pants because they could be in trouble for a lot of stuff.
FTR, I don't believe Trump will weaponize the DOJ, I think he was a few important people to face prosecution so that the people will have faith in the justice system again.
Biden (or pence, or bush, or Obama) didn’t get charged because they returned the documents when requested…as has been the case with every president. Trump did not, and in fact lied and had his lawyer lie in an affidavit that he’d returned everything. When the FBI ultimately had to execute their search warrant, that was after a year and a half of asking nicely - had Trump simply returned the documents when requested he doesn’t get charged. It’s that simple.
youre also ignoring all the measures we know he took to hide documents, the sheer volume of classified documents he had that included some extremely sensitive materials.
I’m sorry, but for the documents case in particular, to call that a political prosecution is just false.
There’s no avoiding some level of political maneuvering regarding the pardon, but at least this would have some guardrails to prevent the worst abuses.
^^^This^^^
Expose the guilty for what they've done,.. Advise the public that only the Biden pardon prevents their prosecution,.. Initiate legislation limiting presidential power in this area... If they do this these pardons will become the ultimate Biden shit stain.
There are a lot of what ifs. I think the call to Georgia was taken out of context. At a minimum it is up to your interpretation as to what he really meant. The same could be said for all the J6 stuff. The interpretation of what was said and what happened is worse than the actual facts.
For example, Biden also had documents but was not prosecuted. Trump had reason to keep the documents (he felt the dems were out to get him). And he was right. Ultimately, most of trumps lawsuits are minor in the whole scheme of things in my opinion. Trump did not kill anyone, he did not defraud Americans, he did not cheat the system in a way others in his position have not been doing before him.
The desire of the dems to throw the kitchen sink at Trump hoping something would stick tells me more about who the dems are.
one person's legitimate prosecution is another person's political persecution.
but why wouldn't the democrats have reason to worry? trump has said he'll have "no choice" but to go after them (among many many other comments about arresting or prosecuting those he deems worthy). trump has nominated someone to lead the FBI (among others) that has pledged to purge disloyal, "corrupt" federal employees
i guess you can just choose not to believe trump will do what he is on record saying he should or would do (and has made nominations in support of those desires)...but i think its dumb to wonder why democrats are preparing as though he is going do to those things
Also, if a person not named Trump, refused to return classified documents, shared them with a foreign national, they would be prosecuted for treason.
A person can be prosecuted for not securing classified documents. It could be a person in the intelligence community, a military officer.
They would be prosecuted.
When you work for the federal government, you take an oath, even as a census worker. You’re not allowed to share information.
