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Why do Anthony Fauci, Liz Cheney, and Adam Shiff need preemptive Pardons?

I believe Trump committed a crime in this instance yes. I don’t believe this was a politically targeted prosecution. This is similar to the Edward’s case imo.

Of the various legal cases, it was probably the weakest.
That's not really what I asked though. Do you think it is legal and appropriate to use campaign finances for hush money.

Per campaign rules, there is the irrespective test. Would this have existed irrespective of the campaign or the duties of office.

Trump also was a very public person, how can you say this payment was not for the sake of his wife or his business?

If Trump had used campaign money, I think dems would have claimed this payment would have happened irrespective of his campaign and thus not a legal use of campaign money.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, I just want you to see that this could be prosecuted either way. It's a judgement call at best.
 
We have gone over this in many other threads. If you are on the left, I have no doubt you believe they are legit lawsuits. I think they were shady and used for political purposes.

We don't need to rehash the lawsuits. I understand Trump may have broken some rules and he may be guilty on some level, but not to the extent that he was prosecuted.

I hope you can see how I would think it was political. Biden doest get charged for documents but Trump has his house raided with certain documents planted to make it look worse than it was. Trump tried for a misdemeanor turned felony in a way no one has been tried before. Fani Willis fraud, criminal mar a lago valuation. You don't have to believe it was political, I am just asking you to see that there is some reasonable doubt.
So attempting to overturn the results of an election isn't criminal including a fake elector scheme which would have disenfranchised 13.4 million voters over seven states? It doesn't get much more criminal than that. A grand jury found probable cause and had this gone to trial Trump would most certainly have been convicted. Hopefully Faucu, Schiff, and Liz Cheney will, if presented, turn down any pardon from Biden. They did nothing wrong and don't need a pardon. Let Trump and his ilk try to prosecute them. It would go nowhere in the courts.
 
When have we ever seen Trump act out of concern for others?

Paying hush money from campaign funds is illegal.
You think Trump committed a crime when he paid out of his personal funds and you also think paying hush money from campaign finances is also illegal. But paying hush money is not illegal. Sounds like you just have something against Trump.
 
You think Trump committed a crime when he paid out of his personal funds and you also think paying hush money from campaign finances is also illegal. But paying hush money is not illegal. Sounds like you just have something against Trump.
again - the hush money is not the crime. doing so to benefit his campaign IS.

and yes, Trump is a despicable, dishonest person. I hate that he's representing my country to the world.

Has nothing to do with politics.
 
Do you think Hillary was innocent? Do you think she should have been prosecuted?

If Trump prosecuted HIllary, then dems would have said it was political prosecution. Trump looked the other way for Hillary because he said that was the better way to go for the country's sake.

Dems went on to ramp up the political prosecution of Trump and now they are surprised when he says people should be held accountable.

Such a double standard. Hillary, Biden, etc deserve to rot in prison for what they have done.


Milley summed up Trump’s statement as:

“Hey, I don’t care if you use Guard, or soldiers, active-duty soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it’s safe.”

To most Americans, that would sound like an order from a commander in chief to his subordinate, but Miller told Nancy Pelosi’s rigged Jan. 6 Committee that he chose to consider it “banter,” the report noted on page 69.

In fact, he told the IG interviewers, according to page 68 of the report: “There was absolutely — there is absolutely no way I was putting U.S. Military forces at the Capitol.”

In addition, Miller told the Jan. 6 committee that he was influenced by a commentary piece published by The Washington Post on Jan. 3, 2021, signed by all 10 living former defense secretaries, calling on Miller by name to “refrain from any political actions that undermine the results of the election or hinder the success of the new team.”

That piece, though, was “orchestrated” by Cheney, according to the report. Cheney’s father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, who also served as a defense secretary, was a co-author of the piece.

(Liz Cheney’s role in organizing the op-ed was first revealed in a May 2021 interview the liberal magazine the New Yorker conducted with Eric Edelman, a Cheney family friend and former national security adviser to Dick Cheney. Not even the left-wing “fact-checking” site Snopes has disputed it.)
 
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again - the hush money is not the crime. doing so to benefit his campaign IS.

and yes, Trump is a despicable, dishonest person. I hate that he's representing my country to the world.

Has nothing to do with politics.
I think those kids you abused before you were fired from your teaching position deserve better.
And this nation deserves better than a guy who had sex with his teenage daughter in the shower and then raped an intern.

Tara Reade: He was at first talking to someone. I could see him at a distance and then they went away. And then we were in like the side area, and he just said, "Hey c'mere Tara," and then I handed him the thing. And he greeted me. He remembered my name and then it we were alone. And it was the strangest thing. There was no like exchange. Really. He just had me up against the wall. And I was wearing like a skirt, and you know, business skirt. But I wasn't wearing stockings. It was kind of a hot day that day and I was wearing heels. And I remember my legs had been hurting from the marble, you know, of the Capitol, like walking.

And I remember that kind of stuff. I remember like I was wearing a blouse, and he just had me up against the wall. And the wall was cold. And I remember it happened all at once. The gym bag, I don't know where, when I handed it to him, was gone. And then his hands were on me and underneath my clothes. And yeah, and then he went um, he went down my skirt, but then up inside it. And he penetrated me with his finger. He was kissing me at the same time, and he was saying something to me. He said several things and I can't remember everything. He said, I remember a couple of things, I remember him saying first, as he was doing it "Do you want to go somewhere else?" and then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I pulled back. And he said "Come on man, I heard you liked me." It's that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might have said. And I can't remember exactly if he said, "I thought" or "I heard", but it's like he implied that I had done this.
I don't know, for me it was like everything shattered in that moment. Because I knew, like we were alone. It was over, right? He wasn't trying to do anything more. But I looked up to him. He was like my father's age. He was this champion of women's rights in my eyes, and I couldn't believe it was happening. It seems surreal. And I just I knew I just felt sick, because when he pulled back, he looked annoyed. And he said something else to me that I don't want to say. And then he said - I must have looked shocked and he grabbed me by the shoulders. I don't know how I looked, but I must have looked something because he grabbed me by the shoulders and he said, "You're okay. You're fine. You're okay. You're fine." And then he walked away and he went on with his day.
And what I remember next is being in the Russell Building, like where the big windows are and the stairs by myself. And my body - I was shaking everywhere because - and it was cold. All of a sudden, I was, I don't know, I felt like I was shaking just everywhere and I was trying to grasp what just happened. and what I should do, or what I should say. But I knew it was bad because he was so angry. Like when he left. Like I could feel, you know, how when you know someone's angry. They don't necessarily say anything. He smiles when he's angry and you can just feel it emanating from him.
Interviewer: Do you want to share that thing that you said you don't like, you said like I don't want to say what he said that thing he said to you?
Tara Reade: Um yeah. I can, I guess I could. I mean....
Interviewer: You you don't have to.
Tara Reade: That's okay. It's just um, it's almost like giving a weapon to them.
Interviewer:' 'How so?
Tara Reade: Well it's like I don't want them to know how much it hurt. I don't you know. don't want him to know.
Interviewer: That you remembered it?
Tara Reade: Yeah. Just... just I don't know um....but yeah, I can say it, um yeah.
There was something he said that I didn't want to say. And I didn't want to say it because it's the thing that stays in my head over and over. Like, um, it's the thing that kind of stayed with me over the years. But he said, when he got me against the wall after I pulled away. And he said, "Hey, I heard you liked me". I knew he was angry right after he took his finger, he just like pointed at me and he said. "You're nothing to me". And he just looked at me, he goes "You're nothing. Nothing." And then I must have reacted and I think he only said it twice. I just heard the word "nothing" and, and I must have reacted, because that's when he took me by the shoulders and he said "You're okay. You're fine. You're okay."

But then afterwards, like it kept replaying in my head there, like last April [2019] when all that stuff came out. I got really, really sad about it. And the thing that I remember most, almost more than the assault itself was, just being told that I was nothing. And he was right. That's how people treated me. And I have no platform. So people want to know why women don't come forward, that's a good example
 
I think those kids you abused before you were fired from your teaching position deserve better.
And this nation deserves better than a guy who had sex with his teenage daughter in the shower and then raped an intern.

Tara Reade: He was at first talking to someone. I could see him at a distance and then they went away. And then we were in like the side area, and he just said, "Hey c'mere Tara," and then I handed him the thing. And he greeted me. He remembered my name and then it we were alone. And it was the strangest thing. There was no like exchange. Really. He just had me up against the wall. And I was wearing like a skirt, and you know, business skirt. But I wasn't wearing stockings. It was kind of a hot day that day and I was wearing heels. And I remember my legs had been hurting from the marble, you know, of the Capitol, like walking.

And I remember that kind of stuff. I remember like I was wearing a blouse, and he just had me up against the wall. And the wall was cold. And I remember it happened all at once. The gym bag, I don't know where, when I handed it to him, was gone. And then his hands were on me and underneath my clothes. And yeah, and then he went um, he went down my skirt, but then up inside it. And he penetrated me with his finger. He was kissing me at the same time, and he was saying something to me. He said several things and I can't remember everything. He said, I remember a couple of things, I remember him saying first, as he was doing it "Do you want to go somewhere else?" and then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I pulled back. And he said "Come on man, I heard you liked me." It's that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might have said. And I can't remember exactly if he said, "I thought" or "I heard", but it's like he implied that I had done this.
I don't know, for me it was like everything shattered in that moment. Because I knew, like we were alone. It was over, right? He wasn't trying to do anything more. But I looked up to him. He was like my father's age. He was this champion of women's rights in my eyes, and I couldn't believe it was happening. It seems surreal. And I just I knew I just felt sick, because when he pulled back, he looked annoyed. And he said something else to me that I don't want to say. And then he said - I must have looked shocked and he grabbed me by the shoulders. I don't know how I looked, but I must have looked something because he grabbed me by the shoulders and he said, "You're okay. You're fine. You're okay. You're fine." And then he walked away and he went on with his day.
And what I remember next is being in the Russell Building, like where the big windows are and the stairs by myself. And my body - I was shaking everywhere because - and it was cold. All of a sudden, I was, I don't know, I felt like I was shaking just everywhere and I was trying to grasp what just happened. and what I should do, or what I should say. But I knew it was bad because he was so angry. Like when he left. Like I could feel, you know, how when you know someone's angry. They don't necessarily say anything. He smiles when he's angry and you can just feel it emanating from him.
Interviewer: Do you want to share that thing that you said you don't like, you said like I don't want to say what he said that thing he said to you?
Tara Reade: Um yeah. I can, I guess I could. I mean....
Interviewer: You you don't have to.
Tara Reade: That's okay. It's just um, it's almost like giving a weapon to them.
Interviewer:' 'How so?
Tara Reade: Well it's like I don't want them to know how much it hurt. I don't you know. don't want him to know.
Interviewer: That you remembered it?
Tara Reade: Yeah. Just... just I don't know um....but yeah, I can say it, um yeah.
There was something he said that I didn't want to say. And I didn't want to say it because it's the thing that stays in my head over and over. Like, um, it's the thing that kind of stayed with me over the years. But he said, when he got me against the wall after I pulled away. And he said, "Hey, I heard you liked me". I knew he was angry right after he took his finger, he just like pointed at me and he said. "You're nothing to me". And he just looked at me, he goes "You're nothing. Nothing." And then I must have reacted and I think he only said it twice. I just heard the word "nothing" and, and I must have reacted, because that's when he took me by the shoulders and he said "You're okay. You're fine. You're okay."

But then afterwards, like it kept replaying in my head there, like last April [2019] when all that stuff came out. I got really, really sad about it. And the thing that I remember most, almost more than the assault itself was, just being told that I was nothing. And he was right. That's how people treated me. And I have no platform. So people want to know why women don't come forward, that's a good example
Congrats, you just made the ignore list.
 
I think those kids you abused before you were fired from your teaching position deserve better.
And this nation deserves better than a guy who had sex with his teenage daughter in the shower and then raped an intern.

Tara Reade: He was at first talking to someone. I could see him at a distance and then they went away. And then we were in like the side area, and he just said, "Hey c'mere Tara," and then I handed him the thing. And he greeted me. He remembered my name and then it we were alone. And it was the strangest thing. There was no like exchange. Really. He just had me up against the wall. And I was wearing like a skirt, and you know, business skirt. But I wasn't wearing stockings. It was kind of a hot day that day and I was wearing heels. And I remember my legs had been hurting from the marble, you know, of the Capitol, like walking.

And I remember that kind of stuff. I remember like I was wearing a blouse, and he just had me up against the wall. And the wall was cold. And I remember it happened all at once. The gym bag, I don't know where, when I handed it to him, was gone. And then his hands were on me and underneath my clothes. And yeah, and then he went um, he went down my skirt, but then up inside it. And he penetrated me with his finger. He was kissing me at the same time, and he was saying something to me. He said several things and I can't remember everything. He said, I remember a couple of things, I remember him saying first, as he was doing it "Do you want to go somewhere else?" and then him saying to me when I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing, and I pulled back. And he said "Come on man, I heard you liked me." It's that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might have said. And I can't remember exactly if he said, "I thought" or "I heard", but it's like he implied that I had done this.
I don't know, for me it was like everything shattered in that moment. Because I knew, like we were alone. It was over, right? He wasn't trying to do anything more. But I looked up to him. He was like my father's age. He was this champion of women's rights in my eyes, and I couldn't believe it was happening. It seems surreal. And I just I knew I just felt sick, because when he pulled back, he looked annoyed. And he said something else to me that I don't want to say. And then he said - I must have looked shocked and he grabbed me by the shoulders. I don't know how I looked, but I must have looked something because he grabbed me by the shoulders and he said, "You're okay. You're fine. You're okay. You're fine." And then he walked away and he went on with his day.
And what I remember next is being in the Russell Building, like where the big windows are and the stairs by myself. And my body - I was shaking everywhere because - and it was cold. All of a sudden, I was, I don't know, I felt like I was shaking just everywhere and I was trying to grasp what just happened. and what I should do, or what I should say. But I knew it was bad because he was so angry. Like when he left. Like I could feel, you know, how when you know someone's angry. They don't necessarily say anything. He smiles when he's angry and you can just feel it emanating from him.
Interviewer: Do you want to share that thing that you said you don't like, you said like I don't want to say what he said that thing he said to you?
Tara Reade: Um yeah. I can, I guess I could. I mean....
Interviewer: You you don't have to.
Tara Reade: That's okay. It's just um, it's almost like giving a weapon to them.
Interviewer:' 'How so?
Tara Reade: Well it's like I don't want them to know how much it hurt. I don't you know. don't want him to know.
Interviewer: That you remembered it?
Tara Reade: Yeah. Just... just I don't know um....but yeah, I can say it, um yeah.
There was something he said that I didn't want to say. And I didn't want to say it because it's the thing that stays in my head over and over. Like, um, it's the thing that kind of stayed with me over the years. But he said, when he got me against the wall after I pulled away. And he said, "Hey, I heard you liked me". I knew he was angry right after he took his finger, he just like pointed at me and he said. "You're nothing to me". And he just looked at me, he goes "You're nothing. Nothing." And then I must have reacted and I think he only said it twice. I just heard the word "nothing" and, and I must have reacted, because that's when he took me by the shoulders and he said "You're okay. You're fine. You're okay."

But then afterwards, like it kept replaying in my head there, like last April [2019] when all that stuff came out. I got really, really sad about it. And the thing that I remember most, almost more than the assault itself was, just being told that I was nothing. And he was right. That's how people treated me. And I have no platform. So people want to know why women don't come forward, that's a good example
Also ignored. You're an unserious troll. You can't expect to be taken seriously after accusing someone of abusing kids for no reason
 
That's rich....
Trump and his people do it to themselves.

1 ) Crossfire hurricane. Plenty of contacts found between Trump, his campaign, and Russian nationals. Trump publicly encouraged Russia to hack the US. A meeting in Trump tower for the purposes of getting dirt on Hilary. A presidential campaign messing around with Russia is going to raise eyebrows at the FBI. They did this to themselves.

2) The documents case. Again, self inflicted wound by Trump. All he had to do was cooperate and return documents he hadn't a right to. (Biden and everyone else did this)

3) 1/6. Again... a ****ing attack on the capitol and a fake elector plot just might garner some attention. More self inflicted idiocy.
 
What is, because a vindictive, corrupt convicted felon is coming to power and may want to exact revenge on people he doesn't like, Alex?
This is an obvious attempt by Biden to protect himself and his Administration for their continued corruptness. By giving them pardons, the truth of how things have been handled will never come out. Not sure how one can argue with this.
 
Trump and his people do it to themselves.

1 ) Crossfire hurricane. Plenty of contacts found between Trump, his campaign, and Russian nationals. Trump publicly encouraged Russia to hack the US. A meeting in Trump tower for the purposes of getting dirt on Hilary. A presidential campaign messing around with Russia is going to raise eyebrows at the FBI. They did this to themselves.

2) The documents case. Again, self inflicted wound by Trump. All he had to do was cooperate and return documents he hadn't a right to. (Biden and everyone else did this)

3) 1/6. Again... a ****ing attack on the capitol and a fake elector plot just might garner some attention. More self inflicted idiocy.
Self inflicted idiocy? Agree 100%. Worthy of a lengthy expensive divisive prosecution? Not a chance.

I disagree with your entire premise in point #1. I wont debate it. Old news and no point as I wont change your mind nor you mine.
 
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