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Why does it bother ISU fans that some Iowa fans aren't alumni?

Kinky F said:
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- If you didn't go to Iowa, or even go to college, but root for them, fine. But I think it's fair to get called out for that if you deserve it (e.g. if you call ISU a community college, make fun of ISU for being an Ag school (ANF anyone???), ask those that went to ISU (and actually got a degree) why would they go there, etc.). So don't be that way.
- Whoever is comparing being a Packers fan (a pro team with a national brand, that you didn't spend a good portion of your life attending, or paying tuition to, or getting a degree from, etc.), to being the same as being a fan of a college you didn't go to... that comparison makes no sense. Apples and oranges.

You can have your tavern hawk fans, your easy Big 10 schedule in every sport, your lame Carver arena, you can try to act like you help farmers on your football helmets, while at the same time making fun of the Ag school in the state that actually helps farmers,.
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I don't make fun of ISU as a school and you didn't say I can't make fun of Lames, so I guess I'm safe....phew!

So I can be a packer fan without spending a portion of my life in WI, paying sales/income tax etc, but I can't be a hawk fan if I didn't go to iowa and spend my time/money in IC? OK...

Easy schedule? big "12" didn't do any better in bowl games and the last bball tourney(no final 4 teams and 2 losses to 14 seeds). Yes that seems like a pretty tough conference.

You're just butt hurt that Iowa is ranked above ISU in a bball year that was suppose to be all about Isu.

Mad that the hawks support farmers on the field? What a joke! Why weren't you guys doing it years ago if it is such a big deal to you?
 
Kinky F said:
Now we have moved from talking about Iowa fans that aren't grads, to talking Colorado baseball? Sweet. Not that it has anything to do with this thread, but I think dropping baseball also had something to do with Title IV, if you know what that is.

So you are saying, you went to Iowa and are an alum with a decent job that most with college degrees have. You are in a local bar in small town Iowa, and sitting next to you is a drunk 50 year old guy wearing ISU gear from the 70's. You are wearing Iowa gear and wanting to catch a game, and he turns and starts ripping on the University of Iowa and everything it stands for. Starts saying Iowa is little brother, sucks at all sports, can't believe you spent time in Iowa City, what a crappy town, blah blah blah. Finally you get a word in and ask when he went to ISU or spent time in Ames, and he says he didn't go there and has never been to Ames. That wouldn't bother you, and you wouldn't call him out on that? Or let's say he had Alabama gear on and did the same thing. He just decided to be a Bama fan one day but had no ties to there. But he's making it seem like he's better than you for wearing his Bama hat and t-shirt. That wouldn't bother you?

This sounds like an unusual or made up situation, but it happens WAY more than you think, only the other way around.
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Yeah, because isu was the only institution impacted by Title 'IV' (whatever that is). Honestly, kinked, you could not be further out in left field if you tried.
 
Hawkeyestate81 said:
There are?
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I never attended Iowa....been going to games since the late 70's. My uncle graduated in late 60's from Iowa and had two daughters. I got to be his game buddy when I was a kid! I have been hooked every since. Had every intention of going....ended up married instead.
 
I would say at least 65% of Iowa fans did not go to college at Iowa. I see nothing wrong with that at all. Although when you can buy 5 dollar hawkeye t shirts at walmart.......................
 
Kinky F said:
Now we have moved from talking about Iowa fans that aren't grads, to talking Colorado baseball? Sweet. Not that it has anything to do with this thread, but I think dropping baseball also had something to do with Title IV, if you know what that is.

So you are saying, you went to Iowa and are an alum with a decent job that most with college degrees have. You are in a local bar in small town Iowa, and sitting next to you is a drunk 50 year old guy wearing ISU gear from the 70's. You are wearing Iowa gear and wanting to catch a game, and he turns and starts ripping on the University of Iowa and everything it stands for. Starts saying Iowa is little brother, sucks at all sports, can't believe you spent time in Iowa City, what a crappy town, blah blah blah. Finally you get a word in and ask when he went to ISU or spent time in Ames, and he says he didn't go there and has never been to Ames. That wouldn't bother you, and you wouldn't call him out on that? Or let's say he had Alabama gear on and did the same thing. He just decided to be a Bama fan one day but had no ties to there. But he's making it seem like he's better than you for wearing his Bama hat and t-shirt. That wouldn't bother you?

This sounds like an unusual or made up situation, but it happens WAY more than you think, only the other way around.
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I am 100% honest in saying that would not bother me one bit.
 
HawkandTackle said:
I stand corrected.

Thank you
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Here's my question .. what's worse: committing a W(ant) O(f) B(ee) error or accusing someone of such an error when that person is actually correct? ;) I say that in jest ... all in good fun.

We can now go back to wondering why it bothers some ISU fans that some Iowa fans didn't matriculate from there.
 
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Because schools whose fan bases are alum-only (i.e., they aren't the flagship school that a kid with no ties to any instate school would grow up rooting for) are by definition going to have a small fan base, probably mostly restricted to the town they're in and the few areas around it. Northwestern fans I know are very defensive about the fact that Illini fans outnumber NU fans by a huge margin in Chicagoland, and they take their frustration out by insulting people (like me) who didn't go to Illinois but grew up cheering for the Illini because that's the state I lived in.

It's kind of funny, too, because you know Iowa State fans would take non-alum fans in droves if they could.
 
Clonewithasigh said:
The most telling statement you made is you claimed "facts with no backing here"......LOL! And frankly, it is not surprising that folks here don't understand the difference between being fans and being an alum.
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Well, I'm an alum of Iowa, and I've worked for the university for nearly 20 years. I grew up a Hawkeye fan. If I had graduated from ISU instead of Iowa, I would still be a Hawkeye fan, no doubt about it. See, I DO understand the difference between being an alum and being a fan.

The "you can't be a fan if you didn't go there" and the bitterness about ANF are two of the most absurd arguments out of Ames and, frankly, so incredibly little brother-y. IMO it just makes Clone fans look like bitter, whiny crybabies. It is annoying and hilarious at the same time.
 
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HoundedHawk said:
I went to Iowa State and am a Hawk fan. My wedding reception was in the Memorial Union.
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I think a lot of people on this board (particularly Iowa State fans) would be surprised by the number of people who remained Iowa fans despite going to school at Iowa State.
 
ISUFAN80 said:
I would say at least 65% of Iowa fans did not go to college at Iowa. I see nothing wrong with that at all. Although when you can buy 5 dollar hawkeye t shirts at walmart.......................
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Walmart has quit stocking isu shirts because even at $2.50 for 2 they still don't sell.
 
rufus-hawk said:
Well, I'm an alum of Iowa, and I've worked for the university for nearly 20 years. I grew up a Hawkeye fan. If I had graduated from ISU instead of Iowa, I would still be a Hawkeye fan, no doubt about it. See, I DO understand the difference between being an alum and being a fan.

The "you can't be a fan if you didn't go there" and the bitterness about ANF are two of the most absurd arguments out of Ames and, frankly, so incredibly little brother-y. IMO it just makes Clone fans look like bitter, whiny crybabies. It is annoying and hilarious at the same time.
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Nailed it. Rufus-Hawk described isu grads to a T. I can't believe all the so called isu greats that aren't really "cyclones".

I sure hope isu grads keep posting though. The more they do the deeper the hole gets.

More please.
 
I went to Iowa for one semester after community college, realized they have a better program for me in Ames and transferred. I wore Iowa stuff every day. There are tons of Hawk fans that go to school at ISU. It's beautiful really
 
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5Fan5 said:
Zach served as an honorary captain for Iowa football this past fall. He handed the Claret Jug Trophy to the KId Captain for that game during the halftime ceremony on the field that day.

To somehow try to deny or even diminish the fact that Zach Johnson is a very proud fan of the Iowa Hawkeyes is simply burying one's head in the sand.
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I never said he wasn't a Hawkeye fan, I know he is. I was just asking what his Twitter handle had to do with showing he's an Iowa fan
 
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rufus-hawk said:
Well, I'm an alum of Iowa, and I've worked for the university for nearly 20 years. I grew up a Hawkeye fan. If I had graduated from ISU instead of Iowa, I would still be a Hawkeye fan, no doubt about it. See, I DO understand the difference between being an alum and being a fan.

The "you can't be a fan if you didn't go there" and the bitterness about ANF are two of the most absurd arguments out of Ames and, frankly, so incredibly little brother-y. IMO it just makes Clone fans look like bitter, whiny crybabies. It is annoying and hilarious at the same time.
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Who said anything about not being able to be a fan if you didn't go there? I was a Hawkeyes fan growing up in SE IA. I went to ISU and became a cyclone. It really is a simple concept.
 
Look at the fanbases of schools like ND, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc. What percentage of their fanbases are alumni? 10% 2%?

Programs like those have elevated into pro-type programs. How many fans of the Cowboys live in Dallas, or Bulls live in Chicago?

The other side are the UNIs, Middle Tennessee States, and Louisiana-Monroes. No one cares except those who went there.
 
So Kirkwood doesn't count?

Went to Colorado State, am an Iowa fan. My parents were Iowa fans and their parents before them. My children will be Iowa fans if I can help it.
 
Clonewithasigh said:
Who said anything about not being able to be a fan if you didn't go there? I was a Hawkeyes fan growing up in SE IA. I went to ISU and became a cyclone. It really is a simple concept.
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Tell us all about how Johnny Orr, Johnny Majors, Earle Bruce, John Walters and Pete Taylor aren't "cyclones" as you put it.

This will be entertaining for sure.
 
CyCity said:
I never said he wasn't a Hawkeye fan, I know he is. I was just asking what his Twitter handle had to do with showing he's an Iowa fan
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Why even go there if you know that Zach Johnson is a Hawk fan.... that, after all. was/is the point to the comments.

There are those (mostly delusional isu fans) posting on HR that state that non-alumni cannot be real fans of Iowa.
 
5Fan5 said:
Why even go there if you know that Zach Johnson is a Hawk fan.... that, after all. was/is the point to the comments.

There are those (mostly delusional isu fans) posting on HR that state that non-alumni cannot be real fans of Iowa.
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Who said that posters here that did not attend Iowa are not real fans? The one thing they are not is Hawkeyes. To me, that makes a difference. When I make a wager on ISU/Iowa events, it is only with Hawkeyes. Their commitment is the same as mine and they are typically much more civil in their banter.
 
Clonewithasigh said:
Who said that posters here that did not attend Iowa are not real fans? The one thing they are not is Hawkeyes. To me, that makes a difference. When I make a wager on ISU/Iowa events, it is only with Hawkeyes. Their commitment is the same as mine and they are typically much more civil in their banter.
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Still waiting for isu grad to tell us why Johnny Orr, Johnny Majors, Earle Bruce, John Walters and Pete Taylor aren't/weren't "cyclones" according to his logic.

I will keep asking. I can't wait for the highly intelligent response. One that will showcase the quality of the isu degree I am sure.
 
If you reversed the programs and their history, you would see more tavern clowns. The fans who are not alumni will go with a winner.

This thread is basically about which school has a better football team over the last 50 years.
 
PCBHAWK said:
If you reversed the programs and their history, you would see more tavern clowns. The fans who are not alumni will go with a winner.

This thread is basically about which school has a better football team over the last 50 years.
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isu grad wears as a badge of honor the fact isu can't generate any bandwagon fans. Then they get down right pissy when their argument is mocked and laughed at.

More please.
 
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5Fan5 said:
Why even go there if you know that Zach Johnson is a Hawk fan.... that, after all. was/is the point to the comments.

There are those (mostly delusional isu fans) posting on HR that state that non-alumni cannot be real fans of Iowa.
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I didn't go anywhere. I said it's stupid to make fun of Iowa fans that didn't go to Iowa. Everyone knows Zach is a Hawkeye fan. He said Zach Johnson is an Iowa fan, look at his Twitter handle. All I asked is what his Twitter handle had to do with it. I am honestly curious what he meant.
 
EZ2BJZ said:
I went to Hickory Park (for those who don't know a very popular BBQ joint in Ames) some time in late November and was kind of shocked seeing the number of people waiting to be seated who were wearing Hawkeye stuff. And I don't mean one or two people, I'm talking of about 50 people waiting to be seated (yeah, the place is huge) at least 10-15 people wearing Hawkeye apparel. Again, this is in Ames.

So for those of you who wonder why so many Cyclone fans come over to this board in droves seeking validation after Iowa State has a big win or Iowa suffers an ignominious loss, that in a nutshell is why. Although anecdotal, it's a good example of why I think so many Cyclone fans obsess about beating Iowa every year. They recognize 1) they are outnumbered because 2) if you didn't attend college at Iowa State there is about a 2% chance you picked Iowa State over Iowa to root for and 3) this has been/is and always will be a Hawkeye state.
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This is pretty much the perfect answer.

Their insecurity knows no bounds and it drives their mentality.
 
Clonewithasigh said:
Who said that posters here that did not attend Iowa are not real fans? The one thing they are not is Hawkeyes. To me, that makes a difference. When I make a wager on ISU/Iowa events, it is only with Hawkeyes. Their commitment is the same as mine and they are typically much more civil in their banter.
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Several have.. yourself included. That is the genesis of this 'I am NOT a fan...' foolishness that now is posted by you. For years, isu fans have posted that in order to be a "true fan" ao a "real fan" one needs to have attended the school. In short, that is the very essence of much of the nonsense here.

Now, you and other isu fans want to deny that ever happening. Even more comical, you and those other isu fans have devised a semantics based argument to somehow justify how dumb it is to argue whom is or is not a fan.

You making any statement about whether anyone is anything, fan or otherwise, is condescending and arrogant. You cannot speak for another. I repeat. You really need to either deal with the insecurities you have or just let it go.
 
CyCity said:
I didn't go anywhere. I said it's stupid to make fun of Iowa fans that didn't go to Iowa. Everyone knows Zach is a Hawkeye fan. He said Zach Johnson is an Iowa fan, look at his Twitter handle. All I asked is what his Twitter handle had to do with it. I am honestly curious what he meant.
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No, you did go there. The thread topic and the majority of the drivel on here pertains to someone being able to be a fan without being a graduate/attendee of Iowa. Zach Johnson is a perfect example of that very concept. It was pointed out and you decided to make it about a single phrase from a more detailed post.

If, as YOU admit, YOU know that Zach Johnson is a Hawk fan, then YOU of all people should know from any twitter account identification such as the one listed that that is the very same Zach Johnson.

But, as the loyal isu fan that now posts very frequently here on HR, YOU are having a difficult time accepting that.
 
5Fan5 said:
No, you did go there. The thread topic and the majority of the drivel on here pertains to someone being able to be a fan without being a graduate/attendee of Iowa. Zach Johnson is a perfect example of that very concept. It was pointed out and you decided to make it about a single phrase from a more detailed post.

If, as YOU admit, YOU know that Zach Johnson is a Hawk fan, then YOU of all people should know from any twitter account identification such as the one listed that that is the very same Zach Johnson.

But, as the loyal isu fan that now posts very frequently here on HR, YOU are having a difficult time accepting that.
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I know Zach Johnson is a Hawk fan. Everyone that follows sport in the state knows that. I never questioned Zach Johnson's fandom. A guy said "Hey CyClowns, if you question if Zach Johnson is a Hawkeye fan look at his Twitter Handle". His Twitter handle has nothing to do with Iowa. I didn't go anywhere I asked a poster what he meant by that. You're arguing just to argue now
 
Born in 65. When I started crawling my brother went off to college to Iowa. Grew up an Iowa fan. Had a dorm assignment in Iowa City myself until UNI offered to pay my way. Big groups would get together in Cedar Falls to watch the Hawkeyes play in the late 80s. When my mother died quite a few years ago I asked my dad how tough her night had been. His response was it was one of her better nights, she got to see her Hawkeyes win.

Did I have to live in Kansas City to be a Chiefs fan? Chicago to be a Bears fan? Minnesota to be a Vikings fan? Attempting to belittle someone based on that someone's connection to the team they are a fan of shows the level some will stoop to to make themselves feel an inkling of superiority. Sad really.
 
CyCity said:
I know Zach Johnson is a Hawk fan. Everyone that follows sport in the state knows that. I never questioned Zach Johnson's fandom. A guy said "Hey CyClowns, if you question if Zach Johnson is a Hawkeye fan look at his Twitter Handle". His Twitter handle has nothing to do with Iowa. I didn't go anywhere I asked a poster what he meant by that. You're arguing just to argue now
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Well, to extend this to the ultimate degree of stupidity...

Perhaps by saying look at his twittter handle, the poster assumed someone to be capable of actually looking at some of the content of that very forum. Within there just might be some comments, photos, things that substantiate Zach as a fan of the Hawks (maybe even photos of him sitting in the stands with family, friends and other Hawkeye supporters following the halftime activities of the game where he served as Honorary Team Captain.) But, no. Let's just take that sentence from a more detailed post and make it the topic du jour here.

In a fashion, your posts do question Zach as a Hawk fan. To you, because he does not specifically refer to Iowa or Hawkeyes in anyway in a twitter handle, that leads to conclude that all of these fans that you say know he is a Hawk fan to suddenly forget that knowledge when they access his twitter feed. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
 
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