He was. He came off the bench. Played limited minutes. Played well in bigger games. Then he began to start and play more minutes and he was awful.
Why McCaffery brothers left Iowa
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His last season at Iowa, the team took a 180 when he was removed from the starting line up (in a good way).
If you are looking at the offensive stats (scoring) .............. they weren't consistent game to game but he had enough good scoring games to elevate his average to adequate numbers.
If you are looking at the overall game.......... there was a lot to be desired on the boards and his defensive lapses. I wish there was a way to overlap the points he allowed against the points he scored. It would show a much more accurate assessment of his 20 to 24 minutes on the floor. His rebounding effort and numbers were pathetic for someone 6'9'' with length.
Again, entitled to your own opinion about Connor but could not agree less
Fair point, but I don't think we really know whether the Mac boys hurt recruiting. Connor didn't play PG his senior year. Hard to say what position Patrick was playing.
That was part of the problem, the only position he could really play was the point. He was too small and slow to guard a three or four. He couldn’t shoot or rebound or create. That year he played so much he was shooting like 27% from 3, 32% from the field and 58% from the line. That’s awful.
Connor played the 4 his last four years. That's the position he defended, he did an ok job being undersized.
LOL, what a dumb statement
Senior year averaged 6.5 points and 3.7 assists a game
Career averaged 4.5 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists and a FG% of 36
Somehow averaged over 30 minutes a game in two seasons.
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Came in overrated as a baseball and basketball player. Gritty and competitive kid but turned out to be pretty average in both sports. Couldn't hit for power in baseball, couldn't hit a jump shot in basketball...recipe for disappointment in both sports.
And if he wasn’t the coaches son, they wouldn’t have allowed him to be so average in both sports and play as much as he did.
Besides Murray and Rebrecca, who was more important than Connor his senior year? He was a different player his last two years, and should not have played nearly as many minutes earlier in his career.
Tony Perkins, Payton Sandfort, hell even Pmac was probably more important that year.
You obviously like to look at a player's point/game, but don't pay much attention to what's going on the rest of the game.
It’s crazy right?!? Well yea, if you play like 30 minutes a game I hope you would add something.
Connor was a good BB player his last two seasons and was a + for the team. He shouldn't have played in front of Keagan, Keagan's freshmen year, imo.
Not an 'A+' he was a '+' player his last two years, imo.
I agree,.. Connor made those teams better.
Connor's play was more than a little better his last two years. Partly experience, but also believe he was finally healthy. He was not a + player before his last two years.His last two years were his 5th and 6th in the program, playing for his father. You would expect a little uptick in performance. Many of his teammates were in 8th grade when he started his college career.
This is an exaggeration of immense proportions. He always was a terrible shooter, couldn’t defend, couldn’t create. That never changed.
I have not looked at the stats, but I would bet that Connor was easily the top assist guy on the team, and probably had about a 4/1 assist/turnover ratio. He also had to step up and guard a bigger player his senior year, because there was no one else but Rebracca and Kris. You act like I am saying Connor was all B1G. He was just one of the more important players on a pretty good team. He was clearly one of the team leaders on the floor. Not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that.
I'm not going to offer a full-throated defense - frankly I'm amazed this thread is still going...people, they've both left Iowa, can we just move on and focus on the guys actually on the team?
In fairness to Connor overall - frankly, I'd like to have seen the alternate version of Connor where he was healthy his entire time. Suffered injuries to both hips as I recall over multiple seasons, which really sapped his mobility. Not that he was ever a speedster/super-athletic, but after he injured his hips he was never really the same.
Pre-injury, if i recall correctly, the original plan was to ultimately switch full-time to baseball after a couple of years (he wanted to play 1 year with Patrick at Iowa), but those injuries set him back too far to keep playing baseball.
On the team? Connor nearly led the country in multiple seasons.
2022-23: finished 2nd in the country A/TO
2021-22: finished 3rd in the country A/TO
2020-21: finished 7th in the country A/TO (CJ Fredrick was 1st)
2019-20: finished 2nd in the country A/TO
** Connor’s A/TO ratio in 2020 of 4.59/1 ranks 8th best in NCAA history.
His last four years he finished in the top 10 in the country in A/TO every year. In three of the four he was in the top three. This is according to Team Rankings, but I’m pretty sure according to the NCAA he was 1st overall in 2019-20.
All right. So he didn’t turn the ball over, couldn’t shoot, couldn’t defend, couldn’t create. Is that better?
This is such an enormous stretch. You might need to look at his stats again to try and justify something, because pointing to somone’s assist to turnover ratio who never averaged more than 4 assists in a season, is pretty funny!
OK. In his final year, Connor had 117 assists and 30 turnovers. That is 3.9 assists/TO. Pretty good guess by me. He had over 30 more assists than the next highest on the team, Perkins. A little surprised my memory is so accurate. Sounds like you thought something much different.
Are you dense? That’s exactly what I just said. He never averaged more than 4 assists a game. 117 assists over 32 games is like 3.6 assists a game. My point was reinforced. Appreciate that.
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Enjoy yourself bashing the Mac's. Should have ended seeing your posts a while ago.
That was about the response I was expecting when you look foolish in whatever you are trying to accomplish.
He brought grit to the team. Never forget when he was in the face on an Illinois player. He was a tough kid. He was also hampered by shoulder injuries that eliminated his baseball career and led to his poor shooting his sophomore & junior seasons. His last year he shot a decent clip from three, especially late in the season.His last two years were his 5th and 6th in the program, playing for his father. You would expect a little uptick in performance. Many of his teammates were in 8th grade when he started his college career.
So what you are saying is we paired the injured coaches son that could not shoot or do much of anything with Luka Garza and Joe W ahead of a near future (indeed within a year) top 5 pick?!? 🤔
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I dont know what everyone's obsession is with Connor. We would be better right now with someone like him on the team today. His defense was at least average and he seemed to elevate defense around him. Plenty positive already said about okay assist total.
If the argument is Fran should recruit better so role players like Connor dont see the court as much... well I guess that is fair.
But plenty of good teams have won something of consequence with non star players like Connor.
If the argument is Fran should recruit better so role players like Connor dont see the court as much... well I guess that is fair.
But plenty of good teams have won something of consequence with non star players like Connor.
Connor imo did alot of the little things you need on any good team. Outside of his passing, he didn't really excel in any one particular area, and I think that rubbed people the wrong way, especially once they saw how good Keagan was as a soph.
That '19-20 Covid shortened season, Connor was an important piece on a team that had perhaps the shortest bench in the Fran era.
Easier to not turn it over when you're not really guarded because our good players were double teamed.
