I was in Detroit during the mid 80s. When Iowa landed Roy Marble, out of Flint, local sportswriters were shocked. Marble was a very highly regarded recruit, and most thought that he would go to one of the MI B1G schools. MSU is famous for the Flintstones. In the same year, Iowa also successfully recruited BJ Armstrong from a nice suburb of Detroit called Bloomfield Hills. He was not quite as highly coveted as Marble, who some called "baby Jordan" in HS, but it was also a little surprising that he went to Iowa. I know nothing about Roy or BJ's recruiting, but it does line up with the rumors about Ed Martin. Just tossing out that related info, not making any accusations. Too bad Raveling wasn't as good a bench coach as he was a recruiter.