You realize that the people responsible for that are either dead, in jail or about to be in jail............right?
Mike
Why put up with PSU posters here
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You realize that the people responsible for that are either dead, in jail or about to be in jail............right?
Mike
Were you here right after nationals? It was ugly with all the new trolls. A small group of people usually sour it for the majority. It gets old real quick. I would not go to another teams board right after we won. It doesnt serve a purpose even if you mean well. Let things settle down( a few weeks would be good) and then have good conversations. A lot of PSU posters didnt do that. Thus we are where we are. Do they have a right to come? Yes. Is it a good idea? No. Just some common sense would go a long way. Give people their space. Just my opinion.
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Yes, but many PSU fans are still claiming innocence for JoPa and even for Sandusky. They are suing the NCAA, the Paternos are still trying to get his name returned, and many refuse to accept that PSU was/is guilty of anything. Many fans just will not let this issue just go away.
I have never heard one PSU fan say Sandusky didn't do it. Now, I don't go to their board, so not a broad sample of PSU posters to draw from....
Mike
Tom has gotten a lot better at this over the years. Now if you are constantly trolling anti PSU, you might get the hook but I got in some pretty heated arguments with some of their guys and never got banned.
This question reinforces the defensive mechanism I previously discussed about being unable to stay on topic or comprehend what I wrote. But we'll get this out of the way. After 6+ years of blamestorming and deflection, Curley, Schultz and Spanier pled/were found guilty of child endangerment. So yes, I am quite aware.
"slightly"...... simply not true. You have to really work at it to get banned or just go ape sh!t out of the gate with Anti/delusional psu stuff.
context and content mean a lot. not to mention longevity of decent posting (I dont mean psu love either, but common sense) keeps the hammer in the drawer. There are probably a dozen or so HR posters that come to BWI with regularity and its not a big deal for anyone.
does HR get needled on BWI yes. as noted in previous post, rivals was designed with this in mind. it drives clicks, messages, content and interest. You take the good with the bad because the bad gets sorted out in time.
HR and BWI posters have met up at nationals and Bigs I have yet to see a negative outcome from this and all that I have seen have been the beginnings of mutual friendships.
There are 3 or 4 seriously deranged kooks on our football board who think old Jer was just a little strange. They all, as is the fashion with such folks, liberally use all caps to make their "points" - however obtuse, insane or muddle-headed.
I have found success by ignoring all PSU fans, both here on the web and also live at tournaments and meets......Okay joking....But stop paying attention to the morons on here(from any team BTW) and give attention to the good posters that deserve it.
GO HAWKS!!
I wonder though what would happen if Iowa retook the title? I know...very silly thought but I'm betting the ban hammer would come out...and quickly. Success can make one benevolent.
Paterno was never charged with any crimes. Sandusky is guilty. Slight difference.
PS. I heard a rumor about an Iowa wrestling coach. If any of you are interested in going to the police then let me know and I will share the info. Most of you will probably just make the same decision as Paterno.
Do any of those PSU fans post on this wrestling forum?
If not, then the point is not really pertinent to this thread.
You mean when the hawks come visiting to give what they have been saving up I think the normal thinking guys on bwi know that day will come and what it will mean for the board. So I doubt the hammer will be out like you think. frankly we got it coming, whats it been 7 years and counting? I kid, I kid.
When that day comes, Ill be there to take my floggings with the best of them.
besides it will only be for a year
Paterno was not arrested, and did die, but that's not absolving him of wrongdoing. He did perhaps what some would do, but certainly not everyone. His statue was taken down by PSU due to the anger over his handling of the Sandusky affair.
That 2nd paragraph... nice garbage finish.
Penn States current wrestling team has nothing to do with Sandusky. Why even bring it up?
Here's hoping we have the opportunity to find out soon.
Real answers are simple.
There are good PSU posters who like to talk wrestling. They lean PSU of course but they are rational about it. No issues there.
The PSU posters who come on here to gloat is petty on their part. We have an ignore button, sure. Maybe the admin should step in and make the call about the trolls.
There are good PSU posters who like to talk wrestling. They lean PSU of course but they are rational about it. No issues there.
The PSU posters who come on here to gloat is petty on their part. We have an ignore button, sure. Maybe the admin should step in and make the call about the trolls.
You brought him up first. Or was this a rhetorical 'look in the mirror' question?
Liar. You brought it up first in post #8 in the thread. I will say it again. What Sandusky did has nothing to do with Penn State wrestling. Quit bringing it up
I'll requote my first post, #8. "I pity them for supporting administrations that turn a blind eye on pedophilia and portraying themselves as the victim. No number of wins or championships in any sport will erase the loathing the rest of the world has when hearing or thinking about that institution."
Didn't mention him. I referred to the posters and their support to the university administrations both pre/post fallout. There's a not-so-subtle difference you're unwilling or unable to decipher. As another poster stated, Sandusky could have coached anywhere. How the actions of the institution and the continued support of the fanbase after the news broke is the differentiator.
I think you are spending too much time watching Cowboys football, Arkansas baseball, Stanford golf, Kentucky basketball, and chinese ping pong to understand what a contributing post is
just because they don't say what you want/think doesn't mean they don't contribute. And I don't follow Stanford Golf
You should probably stay clear of the BWI / McAndrew board then.
It is littered with posts claiming that either Paterno bears no blame for the horrible events,
or that Spanier/Schultz/Curley did what was legally required,
or even that Sandusky is innocent and the victims are all liars.
And yes, I know that this is a wrestling board, but the horse is out of the barn on this thread.
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We cannot continue to hold an entire fan base, administration and collegiate community responsible for the actions of the few. Stop, for a moment, and try and put yourself in their place. Worse yet....what if it had happened here.
Let it go....justice and karma have both taken place.
Mike
If the Iowa athletic administration actively enabled a serial pedophile coach to prey on children over a 25+ year period and attempted to subvert/hide/deflect that knowledge, I'd burn every piece of Iowa gear/memorabilia I own - besides the papers indicating degrees strictly for occupation purposes - and never support (actively, financially or passively) any part of the University again. Season tickets to football and wrestling, I-club & Alumni Association donations... all would stop. I'd fully support an athletic death penalty for the university because it purposely valued winning over horrific molestation of children for decades. I'd be prepared to discuss my total removal of anything to do with the University for multiple situations, including during interviews or university solicitations. I'd be ashamed to have ever supported the University during that time.
I'd pity anyone who chose to remain an Iowa fan from that point forward.
Good grief! Dude, I'm glad I don't live in your world. I'm fairly glass half empty...yours is just plain empty.
Mike
I'm glad Iowa culture /= PSU culture.
My world's wonderful. I just understand when to cut the cord.
Some fictional Utopia you live in. The United States once supported and engaged in slavery. And individuals in its administration have done a bad thing or two over your lifetime. You should probably cut the cord . . . you know, if you're going to be so good and righteous.
If peer reviewed literature is true, 4% of the population has pedophile tendencies. Some act and some do not act on those urges. That means both HR and BWI likely have dozens of them in their midst. Doesn't seem wise to crap on one fan base when both share a common problem. The 96% of us need to spend more time being vigilant than trying to score points. I have a beautiful 6 year old girl. I dont care who you're a fan of, you molest her, you're dead.
As far as banning goes on BWI, the statement further above about easily getting banned is utter nonsense. Tom and I are the moderators on the board, and I have yet to ban anyone on the Wrestling board. The board is quite good, and we give a pretty decent amount of leeway.
Lol, go get some!!! Hotshoe just opened the floodgates. In all honesty, we'd welcome most of you over at BWI. I, in fact, would love to see more Hawk posters over there. Makes the internet wrestling world more f**!!
Does anyone today say of slavery that people were just following the law of the time, as the Paterno and C/S/S supporters say? No, they rightfully condemn those actions and denounce it as a horrible period in our nation's history.
Of course monsters like Sandusky can be anywhere. That is not specific to PSU. Spanier, Curley, Schultz, Paterno, and likely several more did not stop him. Their inaction brings to mind the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." But inaction is also not specific to PSU.
What is specific to PSU is that so many of the school's supporters continue to staunchly defend the university's actions and Paterno's actions. Does this apply to all fans?
Of course not, I'm sure there are a great many that don't deny the scandal or seek to minimize it. They rightfully denounce it. But it does apply to many of them.
PSU supporters are angry with other fan bases for reminding them of the scandal. But they should be angry with members of their own fan base for continuing to defend the indefensible.
Of course monsters like Sandusky can be anywhere. That is not specific to PSU. Spanier, Curley, Schultz, Paterno, and likely several more did not stop him. Their inaction brings to mind the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." But inaction is also not specific to PSU.
What is specific to PSU is that so many of the school's supporters continue to staunchly defend the university's actions and Paterno's actions. Does this apply to all fans?
Of course not, I'm sure there are a great many that don't deny the scandal or seek to minimize it. They rightfully denounce it. But it does apply to many of them.
PSU supporters are angry with other fan bases for reminding them of the scandal. But they should be angry with members of their own fan base for continuing to defend the indefensible.
I know this won't go over well, but many label people as "Joe-bots" and pedophile enablers for trying to provide all of the FACTS, and not the 30 seconds bits of hype spewed on ESPN. Penn Staters are sickened by Sandusky and the poor decisions people made. However, the facts remain that McQueary admits he provided less than full information to Joe, he has changed his story multiple times. The NCAA enacted legisaltion addressing sexual assault after the Sandusky tragedy, and it said coaches should report and BACK OFF. The policy they described is exactly what Joe did. The mandatory reporters who knew McQueary saw something were a medical doctor and the Second Mile administrators. These mandatory reporters either didn't think what he said was worth reporting, or were worried about protecting something else. It is a fact that there are many members of the PSU BOT with Second Mile connections. I think something was very wrong at PSU, but it was the Board of Trustees more so than the three convicted of a single misdemeanor each after five years of investigations...
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