Williams, Moss, Jok, Cook, & Wagner
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Interesting - what is your take?
Long. Athletic. Should be a good defense and rebounding. Offense will be a question mark. But I think we will be able to attack the basket more so than this year.
I agree that this could be a pretty good defensive unit....offensively I think that Williams could end up being pretty good based on his High School performance as a scorer and the little we saw this year. How soon can he do that? I look for significant improvement by Wagner this next year and hopefully Cook can provide some inside scoring punch.....Moss is a complete unknown with a very high upside.
Bottom line, we are clueless on the guys that haven't played and only slightly ahead of that with the guys that have. The PTL should be great fun to watch and speculate about.....I don't think we will do real well next year, but I am optimistic about the longer term future. This will certainly be a different kind of team than we have seen to this point under Fran.
Bottom line, we are clueless on the guys that haven't played and only slightly ahead of that with the guys that have. The PTL should be great fun to watch and speculate about.....I don't think we will do real well next year, but I am optimistic about the longer term future. This will certainly be a different kind of team than we have seen to this point under Fran.
I'm interested to see if Moss and Hutton can add some toughness and grit. I would hope that playing ball in Chicago makes them a little less sensitive to contact.
Baer will start next year. Might have been our best player in the NC2A tourney #goHawks
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Need one more shooter to spread the floor and allow drive and kick....be great if a stretch 4 like jones
Or Uhl, if he can learn to pass the ball when he drives
Assuming Jok does not go NBA, an unlikely scenario, Peter and Uhl are the only two certain starters. I'm working on my shot continuously if I'm Wagner. I think Wags will probably start as well. My guess for initial starting line up is Uhl, Wagner, Jok, Fleming and Williams.
Just don't think you can count on incoming freshmen right off the bat. On the other hand there aren't many proven minutes left on the roster so anything is possible.
The Baer is another X factor. He could be the perfect 6th man. Plays seamlessly at either forward position, can hit from outside (needs to work on consistency of course), flies around the court and has great instincts. He can also enter the game after its developed a certain pattern and immediately start disrupting the opponent's rhythm and flow. He can impact the game in several ways.
Just don't think you can count on incoming freshmen right off the bat. On the other hand there aren't many proven minutes left on the roster so anything is possible.
The Baer is another X factor. He could be the perfect 6th man. Plays seamlessly at either forward position, can hit from outside (needs to work on consistency of course), flies around the court and has great instincts. He can also enter the game after its developed a certain pattern and immediately start disrupting the opponent's rhythm and flow. He can impact the game in several ways.
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I like this lineup on paper, but they could be prone to turnovers. Somehow could see another ball handler on the floor. But your lineup I would agree is very likely. We really need to look at the distribution of minutes across the entire roster as I am sure Fran will shuffle guys around quite a bit.
I see Jones getting some solid minutes though likely not a starter. Moss could be another wildcard and will push to move up in the rotation. Cook seems to be B1G ready. Starters in Bold.
Williams 24 MPG
Moss 18 (is he a 2 or a 3?)
Jok 30
Baer 25
Uhl 22
Wagner 19
Jones 21
Cook 14
Hutton 10
Fleming 10
Ellingson 7
They could be really bad next year at least to start the season. I just don't know where the offense if going to come from outside of Jok. They should have more athleticism bu with no experience this will likely be a bad offensive and defensive team early in the season. They should get better as the season goes along. I think having back a healthy Jones back would go a good ways in helping this team through it's growing pains. Still, this team doesn't have a single true PG with any experience, and we're not sure any of the guards will be any good. The offense could go through long scoring droughts.
Could, would, maybe perhaps.
We don't know sh!t yet.
Probably won't for about 9 months.
We don't know sh!t yet.
Probably won't for about 9 months.
I think this lineup would be stronger with the ball, quicker to the hoop, possibly better defensively, and couldnt be any worse when it came down to crunch time. We might even win a few close games with this group.
I think Cook will come in ready to play D at a high level and Moss will surpise next year. I really hope he doesn't transfer.
I actually like Williams, Jok, Uhl, Wagner and Cook, with Moss, Jones and Baer the main 3 off the bench to start the season, with Bohannon backing up Williams at PG. Gives you better athleticism, plenty of shooting and a few guys that can penetrate. Defense will be a concern regardless of who is on the court, but the offense would probably be better balanced.
And yes, I differ from most, I think their one giant question mark next year will be the defense. PG is a small question. Outside shooting, I'd think, will be better, they get everyone that was any good back, other than Uthoff, and they replace him with a bunch of guys who have reputations as good shooters in Bohannon, Moss, Pemsl (note I'm talking shooting ability, not everything else Uthoff does). I'm not sure how losing Gesell, Clemmons and Woody hurts their shooting at all.
And yes, I differ from most, I think their one giant question mark next year will be the defense. PG is a small question. Outside shooting, I'd think, will be better, they get everyone that was any good back, other than Uthoff, and they replace him with a bunch of guys who have reputations as good shooters in Bohannon, Moss, Pemsl (note I'm talking shooting ability, not everything else Uthoff does). I'm not sure how losing Gesell, Clemmons and Woody hurts their shooting at all.
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I doubt you know this judging from your other posts, but NC2A and NCAA have the same amount of characters. And don't be that guy who uses hashtags outside of twitter.
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I appreciate everything JU did for us but guys that have the capability of taking someone off the drive AND can drill a 3 or a 15 footer are really valuable. I am hopeful to see more of this.
I will say this. By the time Wagner is junior I think he is our tough grounding point. That kid has something where he is not going to be a great scorer but he will get numerous double doubles and play hells bells on defense. He is the kind of guy that can pump up a home crowd and piss off a road crowd. He is "attitude"
I will say this. By the time Wagner is junior I think he is our tough grounding point. That kid has something where he is not going to be a great scorer but he will get numerous double doubles and play hells bells on defense. He is the kind of guy that can pump up a home crowd and piss off a road crowd. He is "attitude"
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HB Legend
And......actually, one would think that Fran will have more depth with next year's group
The only thing I see out of that line-up is (jok is the least athletic) out of all of them. But it is also a lot of 6-4 to 6-8 guys and only Cook has the BigTen body. Everyone else needs to put on some muscle and get stronger. Also no scoring outside of JOk.
Hmmmmm...doesn't it make more sense to have Wagner at the 5 and uhl at the 4. Uhl can shoot the three and Wagner seems a little stronger down low.
Other than that. Love it and like the line up.
Ellingson had a great reputation as a shooter coming in which means very little. You are losing a proven shooter/scorer in Uthoff for some guys who are unproven. Jok is the only proven shooter on the team next season. Baer did a good job over a small sample size (Jan) but has not proven it over a season or under the pressure of defenses targeting him. Ditto for Uhl.
Good PG's setup the shooters with the drive and kick out. It's what every Fran team has lacked. They haven't had a PG who could drive to the bucket, drawing another defender, and leaving a wide open shooter. The PG is the QB. The good news is the guards Iowa has had for the past 4 years have been so offensively challenged that Fran can hardly do worse with anything coming in. AC and MG were good defenders though so I'd expect a dropoff in this area and opponents getting a lot more layups and open 3 pointers (as defenders collapse to help fill the lane and the ball is kicked back out to a shooter).
Who are the go-to guys when Iowa needs a bucket? Right now Jok is the only one who's proven in this role. Baer seems to have the mentality where he might be able to take over this role.
Let's hope the 2015 and 2016 classes are much more mentally tough then the class of seniors that just graduated. IMO lack of toughness, both physical and mental were the biggest knocks on that class. Good kids, who usually gave 100% but they were soft and emotionally fragile when times got tough. I'd like to see one of these guys (Wagner? Baer?) take over and become the team leader. Someone who has the respect of his teammates and isn't afraid to get in someone's face if they aren't giving maximum effort. Blair mentioned (not by name) in his podcast with Kenyon Murray, that he witnessed a couple guys in practices that he saw, where they just weren't giving their best effort. This is where you need team leaders to step up and stop that crap right in its tracks.
Fleming? No way. Career role player. To think he will start next year? That would mean iowa is in a very bad place
I like this. Wagner will gain confidence and should be adequate on offense.
Dom won't likely repeat his 3 PT fest next yr. I just don't think his shot is mechanically sound enough long term. He has to figure that out. Particularly around the rim. If he can Learn to finish he could be scary good. Long ways to go for him.
And the depth with moss and Jones and a couple other RS and incoming guys...they could be a fun team late.
Who are Iowa Basketball players? Is that right? All these guys are going to play alot. I'm going to tell you...this team will struggle against the good non-conference teams they face...and probably early in the B10 season. They are going to have to have people step up consistently on the offensive end to beat good teams. That's really tough for young players. Where this team shouldn't struggle is defensively. Uhl will be stronger, Cook will add size to the lineup, Wagner is a beast and all the others are great athletes with some physical tools. When you have 10 of those type of guys, you can really turn up the pressure defensively. If Fran can get them on the same page defensively...Iowa will be fun to watch as they guys will be fun in transition. We probably need Jones to come back really strong as he adds a deadly three point shooter along with Jok. If Baer and Uhl continue their development, you have four guys on the court that can fire the three consistently. IMO, we need Jones to come back strong from the injury.
It will be a fun team to watch, but I think they will take some time to gel.
It will be a fun team to watch, but I think they will take some time to gel.
Moss is a RSFR. That's a huge difference from being a true freshman. Jus sayn... Moss has been in the system for an entire season now, playing with these guys side-by-side. They know each other's game. And will be very familiar with each other certainly by the start of next year.
Moss will not be your average beginner. He will contribute more than his fellow HS teammate Morrow did for Nebraska. And Ed put in some good minutes this year for Nebby. Isaiah will get plenty of PT next season. Other than that everything is TBD. But this Hawk fan is hopeful.
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I like him, but Wagner was a swinging door in the middle last year. The original lineup in this thread looks offensively challenged and a little short. Moss is an unknown offensively and defensively, like the potential, but questions remain. Should be a pretty decent running team don't know a whole lot more.
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If Moss cracks the starting lineup it'll be a very good sign, IMO. Uhl was by far the worst player on the team to see significant minutes this year so without assuming a big improvement from him I'd go:
Williams
Jok
Jones/Baer
Wagner
Cook
Williams
Jok
Jones/Baer
Wagner
Cook
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