Williams, Moss, Jok, Cook, & Wagner
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No doubt Uhl struggled, but I put a lot of this on Fran for asking the kid to gain 25 pounds and move to a 5. That is not his natural position and he has no feel for the low post game. Fran consistently commented on wanting him to be more aggressive, but this seemed to translate to indecisiveness. Uhl is puzzling because one shot will come out sideways and miss the rim and then next he swishes. He made some good drives, just didn't finish. Lots of potential because of his athleticism, but I think he needs to go back to the 3 where he is more comfortable.
Isaiah Moss is very, very happy at Iowa--He will not transfer.
Baer's best contribution is off the bench as a spark plug player. Making him a starter will negate what makes him special. Besides we will need scorers off the bench.
Huh? Yeah, let's keep our best NCAA tournament player on the bench. He will add that twinkle in your eye. When a fumbling starter finally gets pulled off the floor. Makes sense.
I like what Baer brings to the table a lot but he isn't going to start next year. Go ahead and get that thought of your head.
He isnt going to start over Uhl
Not over Cook
Not over Jok
He isnt going to start over Uhl
Not over Cook
Not over Jok
So glad you base your line-up based upon what happened over the course of essentially a game and a half at the end of the prior year. Yep, makes sense.....................
And your apparent wanting to keep that energy that sparked the team, the only evident vigor that was productive threw most of the last several games, on the bench makes more sense...?
If you know of someone that would be more productive in the starting lineup, other than Jok, do share your insight! I am ALL ears.
I agree with your post, but I think the idea is that Jok would move to the 2 if Baer started (which seems unrealistic as well).
I also don't see Cook/Wagner both starting like a lot of people seem to believe. We'd be really offensively limited in the post. At least initially, I see Cook off the bench. Think Williams, Moss/Fleming, Jok, Uhl/Jones, Wagner is most likely, but it will be fun to see regardless. We should have some known guys coming off the bench this year in Baer, Jones, Uhl (if Cook starts), and Ellingson which will be a plus. It's essentially the same bench that began last year minus Wagner.
As opposed to this year, I see the starting lineup changing a lot over the course of the season next year. I am guessing Fran will start with a more experienced line-up (maybe Williams,Jok, Uhl, Baer, Wagner) and then based on what needs get exposed guys like Cook, Jones (if healthy) and/or Moss will be starting by the conference season - if they are as talented as what some say. If there is a 5th year transfer pg comes in they probably start based the recruiting pitch would likely be - "come to iowa and be a starter"
Maybe. I think Baer needs to improve his ball handling and perimeter defense.
McCaffery also described Ellingson after his recruitment as not just a shooter, but athletic. I like Fran, but two major collapses in last 3 years makes me wonder if he is too stubborn to adjust to what these losses are telling him.
Uhl has a ton of talent for ball handling, but doesn't play good defense and can't finish at rim and has low release point on his 3pt shot limiting him. He has to improve a lot to warrant starting on a good team.
Tend to agree. For a guy who wants to shoot 3's, he has one of the more unorthodox shots I have seen. You don't see too many good shooters completely miss the rim on 1-2 then swish their next shot. To his credit, he has hit some clutch shots.
Not finishing at the rim is more mental than physical IMO. The kid has hops, but relies on finesse far too often. He should be a guy we can run the base line lob play to, but it never materialized. His game is too European and we need an infusion of street ball toughness.
Agree he needs to improve but he has a lot more natural potential than Bear. If Bear can beat out any of them, this is where it would be at. Dom coming into his JR. year so hopefully you really see him take the next step.
I couldn't agree more. If he doesn't it's because he's injured. The kid has talent and will be ready early.
I am in general agreement with this.......mostly the statement that the starting lineup could change fairly often next year. I think it could change at half time in some games, something I don't think we saw this year..
*One other note of interest, that I think will have an effect on who starts. In the recent podcast it was mentioned that 1 or 2 of the players on the current team didn't always hustle in practice, or play as hard as they could. Those players were intentionally not named so I have no idea who they are. The point being.....if they don't go hard all the time in practice they shouldn't be starting, whoever they are. That can seriously effect the culture of the team./program. I assume this is something Fran will take into account and if players aren't practicing at full speed as required, they would not only not start but not get much if any playing time either.
I have a hard time believing Cook won't start. He has played against high level competition, has a good physique and plays above the rim on both ends. Not holding my breath on Kriener given he played against 1A competition--- a red shirt would not surprise me. Just hope we aren't in for Cougill 2.0. Wagner likely backing up Cook in the post or as a 4.
No clue how 3-4 spots unfold. Uhl, Baer, Hutton, and Pemsl in the mix. Starting guard spots to Williams and Jok, with Moss, Bohannon and whoever does not transfer between Fleming and Ellingson. Can Jok guard a 2? Who will back up Williams? Bohannon most likely unless Moss has been learning the PG spot.
I listened to the podcast as well and suspect the two guys not mentioned are likely the two players we did not see much / any of this season. Fran talks a lot about how guys prepare, practice, and work, so if those 3 aren't there, they won't play. I agree to an extent on this impacting the culture, but I don't think two guys who don't play will impact the team.
I hope the team shows some passion and emotion vs. looking like they are heading into a meeting room to kick of an all day training session. After watching a lot of hoops the past couple weeks, it seems like Fran and staff are almost robotic / too business like vs. interacting, encouraging, etc., the players. Not asking for crazy theatrics, but when Baer comes to the bench after some great play, give him a fist bump, high five, something vs. arms folded no recognition walk by.
No clue how 3-4 spots unfold. Uhl, Baer, Hutton, and Pemsl in the mix. Starting guard spots to Williams and Jok, with Moss, Bohannon and whoever does not transfer between Fleming and Ellingson. Can Jok guard a 2? Who will back up Williams? Bohannon most likely unless Moss has been learning the PG spot.
I listened to the podcast as well and suspect the two guys not mentioned are likely the two players we did not see much / any of this season. Fran talks a lot about how guys prepare, practice, and work, so if those 3 aren't there, they won't play. I agree to an extent on this impacting the culture, but I don't think two guys who don't play will impact the team.
I hope the team shows some passion and emotion vs. looking like they are heading into a meeting room to kick of an all day training session. After watching a lot of hoops the past couple weeks, it seems like Fran and staff are almost robotic / too business like vs. interacting, encouraging, etc., the players. Not asking for crazy theatrics, but when Baer comes to the bench after some great play, give him a fist bump, high five, something vs. arms folded no recognition walk by.
If we need offense, I believe it will be: Williams (1), Jok (2) Baer (3) Jones (4) and Uhl (5). Now, you could team Hutton with Jok (Hutton will simply guard whichever 2 or 3 on the other team is the bigger threat) since you still have offense with a defensive stopper. If Bohannon is in the game, you need a slasher that can get to the rim, which from what I hear is Mr. Moss.
You could have Wagner and Cook in together for strictly rebounding, and team them with scorers & slashers like Bohannon (defense has to respect his 3-point shot), Moss and Jok... the number of combinations are hard to keep track of, especially if Fleming is still in the mix. (Sorry - I am not counting on Ellingson for anything).
You never know about a guy like Pemsl... he could be a real gem against a zone, where he flashes to the free throw line, can shoot the mid-range shot or drive and score or dish. Let's hope!
I think Fran will be trying out/ testing all the different combinations he can during the Non-conference season.
Jones is way under-rated IMHO because he is both a rebounder and 3-point shooter. With him on the floor, inside power guys like Wagner and Cook ( and Pemsl?) might have a lot more room to operate.
No matter what, I am very much expecting a pressing and RUNNING team. Face it - all of these guys are gazelles (except Bohannon). Might be fun to watch.
You could have Wagner and Cook in together for strictly rebounding, and team them with scorers & slashers like Bohannon (defense has to respect his 3-point shot), Moss and Jok... the number of combinations are hard to keep track of, especially if Fleming is still in the mix. (Sorry - I am not counting on Ellingson for anything).
You never know about a guy like Pemsl... he could be a real gem against a zone, where he flashes to the free throw line, can shoot the mid-range shot or drive and score or dish. Let's hope!
I think Fran will be trying out/ testing all the different combinations he can during the Non-conference season.
Jones is way under-rated IMHO because he is both a rebounder and 3-point shooter. With him on the floor, inside power guys like Wagner and Cook ( and Pemsl?) might have a lot more room to operate.
No matter what, I am very much expecting a pressing and RUNNING team. Face it - all of these guys are gazelles (except Bohannon). Might be fun to watch.
Thats a good point. I could see him excelling in that spot with his ball a handling ability, he uses his body well too so he could end up shooting a ton of free throws putting the ball on the floor from that spot. Maybe not next year, but during his Iowa career, he could really do well in the middle of a zone.
Just to clarify last year Kriener played 3 games against 1A teams; 7 against 2A; 12 against 3A and 3 games against 4A teams. In the 3 games against 4A teams he averaged over 26 points/game. That hardly looks like a 1A schedule.
This is, and has been, my concern as well. If it is indeed the same injury to the same specific area of the knee, and it probably is considering it would be weakened, then you really have to wonder how well he can recuperate and be very effective. I keep thinking Rodell Davis.
This team will experience many growing pains next season and we are going to be scratching our heads at times, but hopefully leadership will start with Jok and hopefully beyond that, guys that had limited roles will get to step up their games.
This team knows that people are not expecting them to do much so hopefully they try to prove everyone wrong and hopefully surprise a few people.
This team knows that people are not expecting them to do much so hopefully they try to prove everyone wrong and hopefully surprise a few people.
The freshmen are all unknowns, they haven't played against D 1 college competition. Jones is similarly an almost blank slate, although his pre injury game showed promise.
If Jones is fully recovered I think he will start. ESPN has recently updated Kreiner's bio to show him at 6'10" 240, although still not rated. He's the biggest unknown of all but he certainly has size and an enormous wing span.
Don't dog Big Cougs. He would have been a huge upgrade on the BromArch had he stayed eligible. Not a great player but much better than the alternative.
If Jones is fully recovered I think he will start. ESPN has recently updated Kreiner's bio to show him at 6'10" 240, although still not rated. He's the biggest unknown of all but he certainly has size and an enormous wing span.
Don't dog Big Cougs. He would have been a huge upgrade on the BromArch had he stayed eligible. Not a great player but much better than the alternative.
Ahh.....BromArch.....Brommer was good for a foul per minute and no post moves....Archie could dunk and that was it.
Brommer suffered a knee injury before the season began and did not play at 100% all season, I think this is why Olaseni did not RS, as Fran only had Brommer and Archie in the middle,
as for Kreiner, this is what he did in the Elite 28 AAU circuit, his team won that division championship by avg'ing 18 ppg and 15 rpg going up the best AAU talent in the country,
as for his athletic ability, he qualified for the State track Meet for the High Jump, to do this {last time I checked} it took a high jump of 6'6 to qualify, to make a picture of this William and Jok are both 6'6, now if you stood them slightly apart and put a bar on their head Kreiner would have to clear that bar without knocking it off,
as a side note Bohanon was the PG on that same AAU team. people are under selling Kreiner,
Kreiner also has range to 3.
as for Kreiner, this is what he did in the Elite 28 AAU circuit, his team won that division championship by avg'ing 18 ppg and 15 rpg going up the best AAU talent in the country,
as for his athletic ability, he qualified for the State track Meet for the High Jump, to do this {last time I checked} it took a high jump of 6'6 to qualify, to make a picture of this William and Jok are both 6'6, now if you stood them slightly apart and put a bar on their head Kreiner would have to clear that bar without knocking it off,
as a side note Bohanon was the PG on that same AAU team. people are under selling Kreiner,
Kreiner also has range to 3.
Ryan is a very good athlete and is very mobile. He runs really well and has a good skill set. I think that after he gets use to the college game he will be fine.
Uhl was 6th in minutes, 6th in scoring, 3rd in rebounding and led the team in 3 point shooting at 46%. as for his shooting stroke at 6'8 it is going to hard to block as he has a quick release, I don't care how ugly his shot looks, it goes in,
as for those airballs even the mighty Baer shoots airballs as does Jok,
when looking at the progresion of players under Fran he is following the same path. what the most important thing to remember this fall he will be playing the 3 and NOT the 5,
the only time he played the 5 is when Fran used a 2 guard 3 forward lineup.
as for those airballs even the mighty Baer shoots airballs as does Jok,
when looking at the progresion of players under Fran he is following the same path. what the most important thing to remember this fall he will be playing the 3 and NOT the 5,
the only time he played the 5 is when Fran used a 2 guard 3 forward lineup.
Nice! He will be a good Hawkeye in my opinion. I would still like one of the newbie bigs to redshirt. Spread them out over time. Plus there will not be enough minutes at the 4 & 5 positions for all those guys.
I say put a redshirt on the least ready to play(not necessarily the least talented) big. It will come in handy the year after the Kreiner, Pemsl, Cook class graduates.
He Qualified by jumping 6'2" in 3A but still impressive to throw a 6'10" 240# body over a bar that high. Also threw shot and discuss
You mention the air balls. I think he air balled the 54% he didn't make. Doesn't allow for rebounds and resetting shot clock.
Realistically, he probably had less than 5 airballs on the season. He had some bad bricks for sure.
If you can hit that percentage from 3 no coach on earth is going to care how your misses go.
Pemsyl is the most likely to RS this would allow his knee to fully recover, but right now these are the players by position
Uhl and Baer at the 3
Cook and Wagner at the 4
Kreiner at the 5
Pemsyl is really the only extra big that Fran has, so Pemsyl may not get RS'd.
as for guards Fran has these,
Williams and Bohanon at the 1
Jok, Ellingson and Moss at the 2
with Fleming being a 2 and Hutton being a 3 opens up the 2 and 3 spots not the 4 and 5 spots. Jones if fully healthy can play the 3-4-5 spots.
teams no matter who the coach is goes 13 deep.
Uhl and Baer at the 3
Cook and Wagner at the 4
Kreiner at the 5
Pemsyl is really the only extra big that Fran has, so Pemsyl may not get RS'd.
as for guards Fran has these,
Williams and Bohanon at the 1
Jok, Ellingson and Moss at the 2
with Fleming being a 2 and Hutton being a 3 opens up the 2 and 3 spots not the 4 and 5 spots. Jones if fully healthy can play the 3-4-5 spots.
teams no matter who the coach is goes 13 deep.
Gilligan you sound like my optimistic friend from the NW hinterlands that swears Kreiner is major sleeper. My other scout up there compared him to Greg Helmers. Each says the other is crazy.
Don't be shocked if we end the season starting 3 freshmen. Not saying its likely but also not preposterous. There is not proven center, we have high 4* coming in at one forward and a low 4* at point guard, the other position at which there is no proven player. I'm using proven in its broadest sense.
Don't be shocked if we end the season starting 3 freshmen. Not saying its likely but also not preposterous. There is not proven center, we have high 4* coming in at one forward and a low 4* at point guard, the other position at which there is no proven player. I'm using proven in its broadest sense.
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Great Outside shooting w Pete: Check
Good shooting with ability to drive and get the lane or to the line (Moss/Williams): Check
Back to the basket player (Cook): Check
I like Uhl could play point-Forward if needed and 2 Other shooter available in Jones/Ellingson.
D shoul be better (we will see) and much more athletic and long team.
Good shooting with ability to drive and get the lane or to the line (Moss/Williams): Check
Back to the basket player (Cook): Check
I like Uhl could play point-Forward if needed and 2 Other shooter available in Jones/Ellingson.
D shoul be better (we will see) and much more athletic and long team.
The improvement Uhl made from 14 to 2015, makes me believe he'll continue to improve.
Right now, I'd say it's
Jok / Bohannon
Christian Willams/Moss
Baer/Jones
Uhl
Wagner/Cook
That's 9 guy rotation
And I think, if he stays healthy, Pemsl could see minutes, next year, as well.
Right now, I'd say it's
Jok / Bohannon
Christian Willams/Moss
Baer/Jones
Uhl
Wagner/Cook
That's 9 guy rotation
And I think, if he stays healthy, Pemsl could see minutes, next year, as well.
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