Willies @ JUCO
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Tevaun Smith's freshman year says hiWell hello James, you my friend are an exception.
Just because he made some good plays in a Spring scrimmage doesn't mean he was the best player. Blocking happens to be a huge part of what Iowa receivers are required to do. Vandeburg seems to block well. Does Willies?
He scored one of the touch downs to save the Ball State game last year. He was rarely seen the rest of the year...for whatever reason. He has the potential to be good, I guess we will see...
I agree that he has the potential to be good. That isn't in the same realm as "He's our best player and we should have kept him no matter what."
For whatever reason it didn't work out here. Most people, including those directly involved, have moved on. Other folks(namely those that are looking for something to complain about in regards to the Iowa coaching staff) have not.
Stop interrupting him while he points out your foolishness.
I appreciate its your opinion but where do you draw the line. If Willies was Jerry Rice in the making do you even make him practice? How about does he even have to go to class? Maybe he just shows up on game day if that's convenient for him.
If only this hasn't been proven wrong over and over and over and over. Sean Welsh says hi as well. Hell go back to 1999 and every year he plays guys that are younger. Bo Bower says hi. You don't like KF, we get it. You don't have to stoop to lies and made up BS to make your point seem grander. Stick to the facts, there are enough of them out there that helps you prove what you want to prove.
I don't think letting a guy rejoin the team without excessive punishment is at all comparable your examples.
Sounds like he will probably put in his year at JUCO then we'll see him getting drafted in round 1 next year. Best player we've ever recruited and everybody on the Iowa staff should be fired for letting him get away. Right?
Willies is 6'3", runs a 4.4 forty, and appeared to have the ability to make big plays. This is the kind of player that Iowa desperately needs and rarely has, but he pissed off KF so he has to go. Oh wait, he can come back but he has to jump through whatever hoops KF decides he has to jump through. There were reports of Welsh quitting on his team but he is back starting this year (thank god). Willies and Beathard seemed to have a nice feel for each other which makes Willies leaving all the more frustrating.
This is the guy that announced his intentions to return via social media before even speaking with the head coach right? Hell he may have done the same when he quit in the first place. Ferentz may have asked him to face the players leadership committee man to man and ask to be allowed back on after quitting on them. Then after their ok, he would consider it.
Yes, and Ferentz may have asked him to be the tackling dummy for the next year and that is why he decided to leave. We don't know what KF asked, we do know that whatever it was Willies decided to leave. A talent like Willies doesn't come around at Iowa very often.
When did he leave and when did he decide he wanted to come back? If I remember right he walked about 1/2 way through the season and wanted to return with like 3 games left in the season. I'm going to speculate that the 'condition' was he could rejoin the team after the season was over. No idea if this is true but it seems both fair and harsh enough at the same time to make a kid say screw this.
The problem with this is that it sets a bad precedent and shows horrible character for a coach and a program in general. Ignoring that he quit the team in the middle of a season (not end of year, not in spring ball, not before the season started), you suggest that KF had too harsh a punishment (which you don't know just as much as people don't know if it was a proper punishment) and that he should have bent over backwards to have the kid on the team. I believe he was a great talent for the program but you don't set the precedent that it's okay to quit midyear... It's bad for the locker room and it's bad for the program.
This is off-topic, but I've seen it mentioned in this thread a couple times.
I don't understand why everybody sells Vandeberg short. The guy was our leading YPC receiver last year, and has proven to be a solid blocker and playmaker. People talk about him like he's a possession receiver that Willies should definitely have been starting over, but I think Matt is fantastic, and in fact one of my favorite offensive players.
And to whoever said Willies was a good blocker... I respectfully and completely disagree
I don't understand why everybody sells Vandeberg short. The guy was our leading YPC receiver last year, and has proven to be a solid blocker and playmaker. People talk about him like he's a possession receiver that Willies should definitely have been starting over, but I think Matt is fantastic, and in fact one of my favorite offensive players.
And to whoever said Willies was a good blocker... I respectfully and completely disagree
He certainly more physical talent, size and speed.
Hes not as polished yet.
There's no other receivers on our roster that would get an offer from a b12 team in Texas. Maybe Scheel as an "athlete".
So in other words, you were wrong.
Physical talent? Speed? How about no to both of those. Better hands? Highly, highly doubtful. In fact, NO
Does Willies have potential to be a very good receiver? Sure. But he is in no way a better player than Tevaun.
He is taller. That's it.
I don't think Kirk is in a position to be setting precedents at this point.
That's a luxury afforded to coaches who recruit well and win.
He's should be at pull out all the stops mode after setting a not being ranked for 5 years precedent, being one of ISUs two wins and getting humiliated by a 6-6 team in a bowl.
You need to know what your circumstances are.
Beggars can't be choosers.
Wrong again!
Jerminic Smith was offered by TCU and Texas Tech as well as SMU.....
You suck at this
No, in the same words, I'm correct.
My assessment is accurate.
You also need to look up the difference between the definitions of the words "talent" what I said and "better," which is what you said.
When you can show me you understand the difference between the meaning of those words I will explain the rest to you.
That's so cute.
Were talking about people who have been on the field.
Talking about players who have yet to see the field means nothing at this point.
You are clueless. The only area where Willies is "better" or has more "talent" is height.
Willies has done nothing to show otherwise. Smith has actual game tape of him making plays against D1 teams.
You need to back up your claim with facts
Specifics.
Did you already forget you said this?
LoL. You keep moving goalposts.
So based on your foolishness. Smith, Smith and Scheel are better. Sweet. We could use that 4th receiver.
I do think it's funny you take this so seriously.
Yours is clearly an argument based largely on emotion.
Anyone who's being honest with themselves knows Willies was one of the more physicality talented receivers to come through Iowa in a long time.
If you want to believe otherwise that's your option.
I'm already annoyed with myself for wasting this amount of my busy day on this nonsense.
So, by Kirk not being in a position to set precedents you're agreeing that in Willies' case he was right to not go completely away from how he has consistently run the program in the past and said "Welcome back, you'll be starting Saturday!"
Not only that but, in a few more games, if he continues to play he will already match the D1 game appearances of Willies.
We can only hope that Jerminic Smith does not pull a Derrick Willies and quit the team after his 7th game as a Hawkeye (vs. Northwestern on October 17th). As far as I know, Smith has not yet demanded more playing time so that's a good sign.
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QUOTE="RocknRollface, post: 759099, member: 12326"]I do think it's funny you take this so seriously.
Yours is clearly an argument based largely on emotion.
Anyone who's being honest with themselves knows Willies was one of the more physicality talented receivers to come through Iowa in a long time.
If you want to believe otherwise that's your option.
I'm already annoyed with myself for wasting this amount of my busy day on this nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Still no facts to back this up. In the absence of facts people come to their conclusions based on emotions. Which is exactly what you have done here.
No one Has argued that he doesn't have a lot of potential. But you made several claims that were blown completely out of the water. You said no other wide receiver on the team is good enough to have received a big 12 offer from a Texas school. I prove you wrong you move the goalposts.
You also said that he is the most talented wide receiver on Iowa's roster. That is simply not true. T Smith is likely to be drafted this year . He's widely thought to be one of the top receivers in the big 10 . It's okay for you to admit you're wrong. You've been wrong quite a few times already in just this thread.
Yours is clearly an argument based largely on emotion.
Anyone who's being honest with themselves knows Willies was one of the more physicality talented receivers to come through Iowa in a long time.
If you want to believe otherwise that's your option.
I'm already annoyed with myself for wasting this amount of my busy day on this nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Still no facts to back this up. In the absence of facts people come to their conclusions based on emotions. Which is exactly what you have done here.
No one Has argued that he doesn't have a lot of potential. But you made several claims that were blown completely out of the water. You said no other wide receiver on the team is good enough to have received a big 12 offer from a Texas school. I prove you wrong you move the goalposts.
You also said that he is the most talented wide receiver on Iowa's roster. That is simply not true. T Smith is likely to be drafted this year . He's widely thought to be one of the top receivers in the big 10 . It's okay for you to admit you're wrong. You've been wrong quite a few times already in just this thread.
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Yep and J Smith never got the opportunity to redshirt like Derek did.
Imagine how much more playing time Smith would have right now if he had been able to redshirt his freshman year like Derek did
You guys are morons. Willies absolutely lit up the spring game going into last season and looked like an explosive playmaker. He made a huge touchdown catch against Ball State to help us win the game and then you never see him again. It's not like our offense was setting the world on fire last year. What I want to know is how does this kid not see the field in the early portion of last season? That is probably what pissed him off causing him to leave. Most Iowa fans were salivating at his POTENTIAL as a playmaker and he barely got a chance to play. It's kind of like putting Leshun Daniels in the game and he scores the first rushing touchdown last year with a great run around the edge which Weisman could have never made but then you never see him again either. Ferentz even admitted in one of his press conferences that he should have played Daniels more. I know he eventually got hurt but that was several weeks later. They should have played Daniels and Willies way more. Weisman and Bullock were not upper echelon Big Ten running backs. What do you have to lose? We have really struggled with the skill positions lately. The bottom line is that Willies deserved to be on the field last year and if he was then maybe he wouldn't have left the program. Vandenberg is a nice story and Hillyer is a decent player but neither one of them compare to Willies. That is the bottom line. Yet another example of the Ferentz union card that makes you scratch your head at times.
WTF are you talking about? he did see the field - Willies played in 5 of the first 7 games that he was eligible. He was barely halfway through his freshman season when he quit after playing a majority of games he was eligible.
Willies isn't the first nor be the last player at Iowa or anywhere else where the individual player and even fan base thinks should have been playing more. That being said he has 3.5 more years of eligibility left when he quit I t wasn't as if he was an upper classman. He could have continued with the program and fought for more playing time that year and set himself up for remaining 3 years of seeing the field with lack of depth in classes above him. Instead he decided to quit the team before season even ended. He made his bed when he decided to quit after only 7 games in to his collegiant career. Think people need to put aside their personal feelings for KF for willies departure. He wasn't kicked off he voluntarily left and had a chance to comeback but decided it wasn't worth it to abide by the terms set forth to rejoin.
I don't blame KF for not catering to his return or treating him any different than he would for another player just cause he may have more talent. Willies had had has chance to be a Hawk 2x and quit the first and decided to pass on his second chance.
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