With Penn State on the horizon, I just can't seem to reconcile the NCAA pulverizing SMU...

[jefro52]

Who are you again? Please post your full name and address here, along with a picture. Also, please identify the source of your rumor. Also, please identify who is "Farenz" / "Ferenz".

This is a dumb analogy because "redghost" is an internet commenter, not a University of Iowa Football coach. And you are a nobody hiding behind a fake identity. It's not the same situation at all.

You are in the same shoes as Paterson and so far you have made the same decision as Paterson.

It is not up to you to determine if the source is reliable. You should turn the info over to the police and let them do their job.

Joe probably made the same excuses.

 

[Beaver-Stadium]

is this really still being discussed over 4 years after this all went down?

a fun night game with two good teams on saturday and there is more discussion on a 4 year old story than the game ?

 

[JoelBittner]

is this really still being discussed over 4 years after this all went down?

You think this is bad, check out all the people tearing down statues and referencing the Crusades. Talk about living in the past.

 

[IACentralHawk73]

I don't understand, does the charge "Lack of institutional control" not apply to a scandal of this magnitude? Honestly, someone defines this for me.

 

[boomysmith]

I don't understand, does the charge "Lack of institutional control" not apply to a scandal of this magnitude? Honestly, someone defines this for me.

It had nothing to do with football or any other NCAA rule.

 

[JerryDennard]

You are in the same shoes as Paterson and so far you have made the same decision as Paterson.

It is not up to you to determine if the source is reliable. You should turn the info over to the police and let them do their job.

Joe probably made the same excuses.

Who is Paterson?

And was Joe Paterno allegedly only aware of an unsourced rumor on the internet made by some nobody with a fake name? Or was he in fact told by someone he knew and trusted?

 

[IACentralHawk73]

It had nothing to do with football or any other NCAA rule.

But the football program was involved and these rapes took pace in university buildings? Members of the football staff knew about the rapes and did nothing about it. I'm not sure how it had nothing to do with football. Not trying to be condescending, just trying to get facts in line.

 

[boomysmith]

But the football program was involved and these rapes took pace in university buildings? Members of the football staff knew about the rapes and did nothing about it. I'm not sure how it had nothing to do with football. Not trying to be condescending, just trying to get facts in line.

Wrong all the way around.

 

[ivan brunetti]

I "marvel" at the gross inequity. The death penalty for SMU's actions compared to a much less severe penalty for a program that failed to act on child molestation accusations.

I marvel at how the NCAA can sleep at night.

It has to do with what the NCAA controls. The NCAA is not a law enforcement agency. Cheating by paying players falls under the NCAA's jurisdiction. The things that arguably happened at Penn State are outside of the NCAA's very limited power to address.

 

[PSUinCali]

While it's true that PSU is a garbage(

I could be wrong but I believe the NCAA is supposed to hold schools and programs accountable on breaches of NCAA bylaws. As horrific as pedophelia is it's a crime punishable through the criminal justice system. The NCAA does not have the power or jurisdiction to investigate and get involved in criminal matters even if it wants to. Instead items like giving improper benefits to student athletes are under NCAA bylaws and under their jurisdiction to punish. That is not actually a crime but a breach of a bylaw. It's amazing how many confuse the justice system with the freaking NCAA. Let me know the next time you get pulled over for speeding but the NCAA.

If you have not followed the actual details.... those high ranking individuals involved in the cover up of crimes committed by one deranged man have long been cleaned out of PSU and several have been convicted including the former president and AD. It's not like PSU or the true individuals who did not do the right thing just skated by. Has Joe Pa's son been hired since for any football job?

I'm really not sure why this is still a topic? Let's just beat them and celebrate.

Good points up the part that all three men have been "convicted." I would hardly call spending four years waiting for trial, then only to get a misdemeanor a victory for those who think there was justice done at Penn State. If this was a slam-dunk case that the big three and even JoePa participated in a cover-up and conspiracy of child abuse on campus it would have taken four years for this to get to trail? That's not how the 6th Amendment is supposed to work. It took so long because they had nothing on the big three and JoePa because there was nothing! The misdemeanor was a toss-in to appease the masses and continue to shade a PSU board of trustees who are up to no-good. These are the real cover-up artists here...and if any "journalist" would just dig on this a little they would find some very interesting things that would make us question what the main stream media has crammed down your Hawkeye throats since 2011. In fact, push away from your Hawkeye Report and do a little digging for yourself...sure hate PSU all you want as a rival on the field...that is natural...but have your facts straight when you hate on things that had nothing to do with PSU football in the first place...oh and your second error is predicting an Iowa win this Sat. Sorry...I respect coach Ferentz, but this is a pretty special PSU team....I think you guys will fight hard as you always do, but this one is ours.

 

[PCBHAWK]

Right. Now you are in that situation and you are going to do the same as Paterno. I heard a rumor that Farenz was abusing kids. Let me know when you go to the police. I even told you the same rumor last year. So far none of you have gone to the police.

If you told me one of Iowa's assistants told Ferentz he witnessed Phil Parker fondling young boys in the team's showers and Ferentz failed to notify authorities, Im betting most HR posters would notify the police and lose all respect for Kirk.

 

[Cpeplion]

But the football program was involved and these rapes took pace in university buildings? Members of the football staff knew about the rapes and did nothing about it. I'm not sure how it had nothing to do with football. Not trying to be condescending, just trying to get facts in line.

None of the "rapes" happened on the PSU campus and the one that was accused, by Mcquery, Sandusky was actually found not guilty of.

If you want to find the real guilty parties here you should look at The Second Mile and ask questions about that organization. How is it they were pimping out children and they all walked away?

Not saying others weren't guilty as sin and didn't deserve to rot in jail..just saying it was MUCH larger and MUCH bigger fish involved than just three PSU officials.

 

[rag195]

"We"?

Now I see why you're so passionate about it. You're a PSU sympathizer.

Hold your head in shame you miserable DB.

Please. I always wonder why people digress in their response when they don't have or know the facts

 

[keosahawkeye]

If you told me one of Iowa's assistants told Ferentz he witnessed Phil Parker fondling young boys in the team's showers and Ferentz failed to notify authorities, Im betting most HR posters would notify the police and lose all respect for Kirk.

In other words, kind of like what happened to Alfraud only multiples worse.

 

[rag195]

If you told me one of Iowa's assistants told Ferentz he witnessed Phil Parker fondling young boys in the team's showers and Ferentz failed to notify authorities, Im betting most HR posters would notify the police and lose all respect for Kirk.

Paterno notified the online supervisors

 

[HIWB]

There's a whole lot of new or rarely used PSU accounts posting in this thread. I guess that's what you do when you're trying to defend this situation.

 

[jefro52]

Who is Paterson?

And was Joe Paterno allegedly only aware of an unsourced rumor on the internet made by some nobody with a fake name? Or was he in fact told by someone he knew and trusted?

YOU are now in the same position and you are making the same excuses! I like how you all say you would do the right things but now that I told you about the rumor NONE Of you have done the right thing. You are looking for additional sources or more credible sources. Funny how that works.

 

[jefro52]

If you told me one of Iowa's assistants told Ferentz he witnessed Phil Parker fondling young boys in the team's showers and Ferentz failed to notify authorities, Im betting most HR posters would notify the police and lose all respect for Kirk.

What happens when there are no witnesses? Do Iowa fans care about victims or not? I am one of Ferentz's victims. I am a child. It is now up to you to do the right thing. Let me know when you go to the police. So far you have made the same decisions as Paterno.

If we use your logic then YOU should defend Paterno for the anonymous phone call he supposedly received from a victim who said he spoke to someone that sounded like Paterno.

 

[Johnsoda123]

What happens when there are no witnesses? Do Iowa fans care about victims or not? I am one of Ferentz's victims. I am a child. It is now up to you to do the right thing. Let me know when you go to the police. So far you have made the same decisions as Paterno.

If we use your logic then YOU should defend Paterno for the anonymous phone call he supposedly received from a victim who said he spoke to someone that sounded like Paterno.

The moderator needs to ban this guy. Better yet, notify KFs lawyer that he is slandering KF and slap a lawsuit on him.

 

[JerryDennard]

YOU are now in the same position and you are making the same excuses! I like how you all say you would do the right things but now that I told you about the rumor NONE Of you have done the right thing. You are looking for additional sources or more credible sources. Funny how that works.

Wrong. Paterno heard from Mike McQuery, who was on HIS STAFF.

You make it seem like Paterno only read an unsourced, anonymous rumor on a message board, which is false and TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE FACTS.

 

[GreggK]

Wrong. Paterno heard from Mike McQuery, who was on HIS STAFF.
You make it seem like Paterno only read an unsourced, anonymous rumor on a message board, which is false and TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE FACTS.

Correct, and he reported it up the line as he was supposed to. The new NCAA guidelines for reporting sexual assaults says

"Comply with campus authorities and ensure that all athletics staff, coaches, administrators and student-athletes maintain a hostile-free environment for all student-athletes regardless of gender or sexual orientation; know and follow campus protocol for reporting incidents of sexual violence; report immediately any suspected sexual violence to appropriate campus offices for investigation and adjudication; "

it goes on to say

"Cooperate with but not manage, direct, control or interfere with college or university investigations into allegations of sexual violence ensuring that investigations involving student-athletes and athletics department staff are managed in the same manner as all other students and staff on campus. "

So my question to all regarding Paterno and the McQuery case is what do you think Joe SHOULD have done? He immediately set up a meeting with the athletic director and the head of operations. I assume they were "appropriate campus offices for investigation and adjudication". He is also not supposed to "manage, direct, control or interfere".

NCAA aside, the actual prosecutor of the case said when asked if Paterno covered anything up said "I did not find that evidence."

Now with regards of Curley, Spanier and Shultz, I think most would agree that they held some responsibility. They were prosecuted for it.

I myself find Paterno to be a grey area. I don't know what he was told and I don't know how much he knew. You don't either. However, evidence seems to suggest that he didn't know much and reported what he knew.

I for one was never a Paterno lover. I think he selfishly stayed way too long and had he left when he should have, this would have never happened the way it did. I am not saying that Sandusky wouldn't have happened, I mean the mere fact that Paterno was there gave the NCAA a chance to grandstand and put its nose in legal affairs that had nothing to do with it.

I understand the outrage around the nation, but the outraged should be focused on one man and a few administrators. 75% of the people I have talked to about this think Paterno molested kids or that Sandusky was a coach up until 2011. The publics knowledge of the situation is pretty lacking and the outcry is loud and vicious.

My 70 year old dad can't even go to a game at Rutgers or Ohio State without being called a Pedophile by obnoxious fans.

 

[redghost1974]

Allegations of inappropriate contact stem all the way back to 1998. There were more that surfaced after that. At this point PSU should have distanced themselves from Sandusky and 2nd Mile. The fact that they still granted the man and his program access to the school help him facilitate the abuse. The school should have cut ties with both long ago. The NCAA didn't really have jurisdiction to impose a penalty, but something had to be done in regard of institution control and really collusion to neglect criminal activity.

This thread is dead, too many PSU week old posters flooding this board with troll bait. If they truly feel JoPa and the university bear no blame, they are beyond reason. God help them all and the communities they live in. EOM trolls.

 

[GreggK]

This thread is dead, too many PSU week old posters flooding this board with troll bait. If they truly feel JoPa and the university bear no blame, they are beyond reason. God help them all and the communities they live in. EOM trolls.

I agree 100% PSU should have cut ties with him. I also agree that the governor of PA shouldn't have accepted money from 2nd Mile in 2006 and should not have given hundreds of thousands back to the 2nd Mile when he became governor. (oh yeah, the governor was a DA who investigated Sandusky)

My I ask an honest question Red Ghost. If you were Joe Paterno, what would you have done differently? I want specifics, not "I would have done more". I know it is easy now, knowing what we know to say that, but at the time, Sandusky was revered in PA. He made the almost saintly act of quitting in his prime to go and focus on charity. He was also three years removed from Joe Paterno's staff in 2001. So tell me, what would you have done differently.

 

[redghost1974]

The first allegation stems back to 1998, and Sandusky admitted hugging a juvenile in the shower. Said he won't do it again.

What I would have done is cut all access to PSU campus, facilities, and promotion from him and his charity from the get go. This avoids the embarrassment of cutting ties later and explaining why the distancing. The fact this guy still was using the campus gym a week before arrest is bewildering. Anyone with a soul and ounce of humanity has zero tolerance for this garbage. McQuery used his silence to gain a staff position. There are lots of fingers and lots of blame. "I reported it" may avoid a conviction, but your a scumbag in my eyes and will never be anything other.

 

[David1979]

I really fall bad for the people who defend such evil and try to justify it so they can go on cheering for a college football team. Seems like they really must have something wrong with them that they probably can't help.

 

[GreggK]

The first allegation stems back to 1998, and Sandusky admitted hugging a juvenile in the shower. Said he won't do it again.

What I would have done is cut all access to PSU campus, facilities, and promotion from him and his charity from the get go. This avoids the embarrassment of cutting ties later and explaining why the distancing. The fact this guy still was using the campus gym a week before arrest is bewildering. Anyone with a soul and ounce of humanity has zero tolerance for this garbage. McQuery used his silence to gain a staff position. There are lots of fingers and lots of blame. "I reported it" may avoid a conviction, but your a scumbag in my eyes and will never be anything other.

The allegation in 1998 was reported to his HIGH SCHOOL administrators not penn state. Further, it was reported to law enforcement and investigated by law enforcement.

Regarding ties to the university, Joe had no jurisdiction in that. He was no longer an employee and when he was, he was a state employee. The university board makes decisions on that and yes they mess up big time!

His silence? He reported it to 5 people. How is that silence.

You just don't have any idea of the facts and are making it up to fit what you want to believe.

 

[PSU2UNC]

I really fall bad for the people who defend such evil and try to justify it so they can go on cheering for a college football team. Seems like they really must have something wrong with them that they probably can't help.

I really "fall" bad for the people who trip over themselves rushing to tell the world how much they hate child abuse and in doing so tramples the truth. But whatever gets you through the day, I guess....

 

[redghost1974]

Jesus you just dont get it, letting someone with allegations of abuse has to be investigated regardless of where it happened. Sandusky admitted to hugging a youth in a shower. Would you let an adult around your kid that did that? Letting 2nd Mile, which is Sandusky, hold events or letting him use the facilities is bad on the institution. Really really EMO for me.

 

[PSU2UNC]

The allegation in 1998 was reported to his HIGH SCHOOL administrators not penn state. Further, it was reported to law enforcement and investigated by law enforcement.

Gregg, that's actually not true. 1998 was reported to the police and fully investigated. No charges were filed. Why is no outrage directed at the police or the DA?

The incident that was reported to high school administrators (at Central Mountain HS) was much later (2008) and was dismissed by the high school admins. Please note that they received no scrutiny and no charges were filed against them, even though they received a direct report from a victim. Where is the outrage directed at them?

.

 

[Pacoytaco]

What happens when there are no witnesses? Do Iowa fans care about victims or not? I am one of Ferentz's victims. I am a child. It is now up to you to do the right thing. Let me know when you go to the police. So far you have made the same decisions as Paterno.

If we use your logic then YOU should defend Paterno for the anonymous phone call he supposedly received from a victim who said he spoke to someone that sounded like Paterno.

Penn State truthers are the worst f-ing people

 

[GreggK]

Jesus you just dont get it, letting someone with allegations of abuse has to be investigated regardless of where it happened. Sandusky admitted to hugging a youth in a shower. Would you let an adult around your kid that did that? Letting 2nd Mile, which is Sandusky, hold events or letting him use the facilities is bad on the institution. Really really EMO for me.

I could not agree more with you Ghost and nobody would disagree with that. But that isn't even close to the head football coaches jurisdiction. Meaning he couldn't do something about it if he wanted to. As a former state employee, Sandusky had a retirement package that allowed him access. The administration gave him that.

There is a reason why PSU fans are furious with the administration.

 

[David1979]

I really "fall" bad for the people who trip over themselves rushing to tell the world how much they hate child abuse and in doing so tramples the truth. But whatever gets you through the day, I guess....

ok...

 

[David1979]

Joe said to McQuery that it wasn't the first time that he had heard of that kind of activity.... He also said himself that he wish he would have done more. So not sure why people are on here saying he shouldn't have done anything else? Very strange.

 

[GreggK]

Joe said to McQuery that it wasn't the first time that he had heard of that kind of activity.... He also said himself that he wish he would have done more. So not sure why people are on here saying he shouldn't have done anything else? Very strange.

Did you just pull that out of thin air? That absolutely never happened, Joe never said to McQuery that it wasn't the first time he had heard but I guess it is something you want to have happened so you can continue your outrage.

His quote was "With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

Tell me David, if you were in Joe's position at the time, what would you have done? You brought in the witness to report everything to your superiors and they said they would investigate. You are not allowed to "manage, direct, control or interfere with college or university investigations into allegations of sexual violence"

Again, with the benefit of hindsight and knowing what we know now, of course he should have done more. But at the time, Sandusky was almost a saint in PA and not a subordinate of Paterno.

 

[JerryDennard]

Correct, and he reported it up the line as he was supposed to. The new NCAA guidelines for reporting sexual assaults says

"Comply with campus authorities and ensure that all athletics staff, coaches, administrators and student-athletes maintain a hostile-free environment for all student-athletes regardless of gender or sexual orientation; know and follow campus protocol for reporting incidents of sexual violence; report immediately any suspected sexual violence to appropriate campus offices for investigation and adjudication; "

it goes on to say

"Cooperate with but not manage, direct, control or interfere with college or university investigations into allegations of sexual violence ensuring that investigations involving student-athletes and athletics department staff are managed in the same manner as all other students and staff on campus. "

So my question to all regarding Paterno and the McQuery case is what do you think Joe SHOULD have done? He immediately set up a meeting with the athletic director and the head of operations. I assume they were "appropriate campus offices for investigation and adjudication". He is also not supposed to "manage, direct, control or interfere".

NCAA aside, the actual prosecutor of the case said when asked if Paterno covered anything up said "I did not find that evidence."

Now with regards of Curley, Spanier and Shultz, I think most would agree that they held some responsibility. They were prosecuted for it.

I myself find Paterno to be a grey area. I don't know what he was told and I don't know how much he knew. You don't either. However, evidence seems to suggest that he didn't know much and reported what he knew.

I for one was never a Paterno lover. I think he selfishly stayed way too long and had he left when he should have, this would have never happened the way it did. I am not saying that Sandusky wouldn't have happened, I mean the mere fact that Paterno was there gave the NCAA a chance to grandstand and put its nose in legal affairs that had nothing to do with it.

I understand the outrage around the nation, but the outraged should be focused on one man and a few administrators. 75% of the people I have talked to about this think Paterno molested kids or that Sandusky was a coach up until 2011. The publics knowledge of the situation is pretty lacking and the outcry is loud and vicious.

My 70 year old dad can't even go to a game at Rutgers or Ohio State without being called a Pedophile by obnoxious fans.

Show me where Paterno *only* heard about unsourced non-specific rumors from anonymous Internet message boards again???

What you quoted is the MINIMUM amount required by PSU lawyers. What we are talking about is the MINIMUM amount required by a decent human being. When someone you know, who is not an anonymous message board poster, tells you to your face that there was sexual conduct IN YOUR LOCKER ROOM involving your former Defensive Coordinator (who you've also heard multiple rumors about), you do NOT simply report it "up the chain" and continue on with your day.

Hell, if your response doesn't in some way involve wanting to take that man outside and beating the living s*** out of him yourself with a tire iron, I don't know about you.

The problem is that by taking this PATHETIC line of defense of Paterno, you are enabling the CULTURE that allowed this evil to fester for years. Shame on you.

 

[JerryDennard]

So again, if you have something to say about any of the Ferentzes, please identify yourself so we know that you aren't simply telling a tall tale anonymously on the internet.

 

[boomysmith]

Joe said to McQuery that it wasn't the first time that he had heard of that kind of activity.... He also said himself that he wish he would have done more. So not sure why people are on here saying he shouldn't have done anything else? Very strange.

That BS was dispelled. The "police report" hasn't been found where Mike alleged that. Pics of his meat were found on his cell phone.

 

[Hotshoe]

There "was no conspiracy to protect the football program.". What? This entire debacle was all about protecting your precious football program. You're living in a dream world my friend. You're in denial.

Okay, since you're so full of facts. Show one conviction of conspiracy, just one. I dare you. Come on smart guy. Bag your bs feelings, and talk like a real man does, in facts, not your sanctimonious bs. You're full of crap. You're wrong, and it was proven in a court of law. But...you know because, well, you're in Iowa, so you must know more than anyone. The real world deals in facts. You, you're just beyond clueless, are envious, and full of hate. Enjoy.

 

[Hotshoe]

Jesus you just dont get it, letting someone with allegations of abuse has to be investigated regardless of where it happened. Sandusky admitted to hugging a youth in a shower. Would you let an adult around your kid that did that? Letting 2nd Mile, which is Sandusky, hold events or letting him use the facilities is bad on the institution. Really really EMO for me.

It was investigated by the DA, Ray Gricar. What don't you get? You're wrong, and don't have a damn clue of anything you speak of. Do you get this yet? A DA didn't press charges. Keep making sh$t up. Clueless.

 

[JerryDennard]

It was investigated by the DA, Ray Gricar. What don't you get? You're wrong, and don't have a damn clue of anything you speak of. Do you get this yet? A DA didn't press charges. Keep making sh$t up. Clueless.

Convictions / failure to bring charges does not equal innocence dumb*ss. OJ Simpson is innocent by your logic.