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Would Not Bug Me if OSU, PSU, Mich & Oregon All Left B1G for a Super Conference

I had always wanted to keep the B1G intact but the Washington Coach said he had heard the NIL payrolls of both OSU and Oregon was $20 million each. Iowa can't compete against that. I realize our payout would drop by 50% or more but that is ok.

If the big name schools all left to be in a Super Conference, I am ok with that.

Iowa just needs to play MN, WI, IL, NW, NE and ISU for a fun season.

Go Hawks!
No, need to eliminate NIL completely and stop being the NFL’s minor league. If kids want to go to college to play on scholarship then that is their pay and contractual commitment. If they want the money, then the NFL needs to finance and establish their own minor league program like MLB. The NFL has already priced out most fans with the cost to attend anyway,
 
Again, the new disgrace is not normal. IU, SMU, etc are mining big time boosters to fund historically irrelevant and poorly-run programs. This will be the biggest obstacle to programs like Iowa.
 
Again, the new disgrace is not normal. IU, SMU, etc are mining big time boosters to fund historically irrelevant and poorly-run programs. This will be the biggest obstacle to programs like Iowa.
Somewhat. But SMU isn’t historically irrelevant, and they have VERY wealthy, and motivated, boosters.
 
Or....perhaps the ruling body of college athletics, the NCAA, could actually do their job and try to add some common sense and equity into this screwed up, "every man for themselves" scheme we are currently experiencing. It was plenty difficult before, when the blue bloods simply relied on cheating. Now that it's been normalized to hand hundreds of thousand dollars to HS recruits, it has bastardized college athletics. We need a major reset.
Wouldn't that be nice. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed......
 
You either pay the money to keep up or you don't.
I have ZERO issue with paying through NIL (using corporate sponsors, or wealthy donors who have money to burn), or TV contract revenue. Let the players share. Super. "Fans" being asked to pay players is totally ASS backwards, as the fans are the only ones in this silly equation who get NO financial benefit from this mess. The Media, the schools and the players will ALL make millions, and yet some people think this "new money" should come from the fans! Absolutely ridiculous....
 
“Blueblood status” based on past decades means little now. NIL is a new era. What matters is who’s going to have enough money to be a major player moving forward. A lot of traditional bluebloods fit that bill, Oregon does too
Agree. It’s not about blue blood anymore. It’s about green blood.
 
Just about every sport has that 10 percent that win every year. In the NBA it's the Lakers, Celtics, Warriors, Bulls and Spurs. Then you have the bad boy Pistons, Hakeem Rockets, and Wade Heat.

The NFL had the Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, Patriots and now the Chiefs.

The MLB has the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, 70's Big Red Machine and the 2010's odd years Giants.

NHL had the Red Wings, Blackhawks, Maple Leafs, Oilers, Canadiens, 80's Islanders, and recently the Penguins and Lightning.

College basketball has the most open tournament that opens the doors to mid majors like Butler, UIC and Wichita State. Heck you had Florida Atlantic and San Diego State play each other in the Final Four. Gonzaga has turned themselves into a big brand. So has Creighton and Xavier. But the sport is still dominated by Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky and UCONN.

So it's nothing new or exclusive to college football. There is going to be a cap out on this NIL in the future. Because lawsuits are going to continue to roll in like the Rashada case vs Florida.

Underwood getting ten million from a single Michigan booster is going to push the expectations higher and higher. When/If multiple 5 stars don't pan out, that big booster is going to demand the 20 million dollar coach be held accountable for mismanaging the 10 million dollar investment. It's going to be booster vs booster vs school.

Give it five years, regulations and caps are a necessity in any business dealing.
 
Just about every sport has that 10 percent that win every year. In the NBA it's the Lakers, Celtics, Warriors, Bulls and Spurs. Then you have the bad boy Pistons, Hakeem Rockets, and Wade Heat.

The NFL had the Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, Patriots and now the Chiefs.

The MLB has the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, 70's Big Red Machine and the 2010's odd years Giants.

NHL had the Red Wings, Blackhawks, Maple Leafs, Oilers, Canadiens, 80's Islanders, and recently the Penguins and Lightning.

College basketball has the most open tournament that opens the doors to mid majors like Butler, UIC and Wichita State. Heck you had Florida Atlantic and San Diego State play each other in the Final Four. Gonzaga has turned themselves into a big brand. So has Creighton and Xavier. But the sport is still dominated by Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky and UCONN.

So it's nothing new or exclusive to college football. There is going to be a cap out on this NIL in the future. Because lawsuits are going to continue to roll in like the Rashada case vs Florida.

Underwood getting ten million from a single Michigan booster is going to push the expectations higher and higher. When/If multiple 5 stars don't pan out, that big booster is going to demand the 20 million dollar coach be held accountable for mismanaging the 10 million dollar investment. It's going to be booster vs booster vs school.

Give it five years, regulations and caps are a necessity in any business dealing.
Never been a cap on NIL in pro sports.

Apples and oranges.

Cap on NIL loses in court all day everyday. It’s like saying you cant earn that much at McDonald’s while you go to school.
 
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I had always wanted to keep the B1G intact but the Washington Coach said he had heard the NIL payrolls of both OSU and Oregon was $20 million each. Iowa can't compete against that. I realize our payout would drop by 50% or more but that is ok.

If the big name schools all left to be in a Super Conference, I am ok with that.

Iowa just needs to play MN, WI, IL, NW, NE and ISU for a fun season.

Go Hawks!
Oregon is far from a blue blood. It also should bother you. We'd become a bottom feeder.
 
So what you’re saying is that you’re on the half of the fanbase that is happy with mediocrity, pumps your fist for 8-5 (even though we’ll play for nothing), bragged about 10 wins in the old Big Ten West, and thinks that Kirk has the right to retire whenever he wants. Pass 👎
He lives in reality. Tell us all your experience in attending the last NC game Iowa was in?
 
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I curious as to what value Maryland and Rutgers have brought to the Big Ten. At the time of the deal carriage agreements with cable companies in Big Ten states was a big deal. But not long after, the changing landscape seems to have weakened the geographic constraints with national streaming services taking the place of regional cable operators. It's still all about viewers and it appears, despite those schools being located in highly populated markets, the viewer numbers are nothing special. If the Big Ten were faced with the same decision on those two teams today, would they take them?

This is in contrast to USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon. These teams generally get good ratings, although this year USC has not delivered as as many viewers as one would expect for such a strong brand located in a large city and state.
 
I curious as to what value Maryland and Rutgers have brought to the Big Ten. At the time of the deal carriage agreements with cable companies in Big Ten states was a big deal. But not long after, the changing landscape seems to have weakened the geographic constraints with national streaming services taking the place of regional cable operators. It's still all about viewers and it appears, despite those schools being located in highly populated markets, the viewer numbers are nothing special. If the Big Ten were faced with the same decision on those two teams today, would they take them?

This is in contrast to USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon. These teams generally get good ratings, although this year USC has not delivered as as many viewers as one would expect for such a strong brand located in a large city and state.

Total Revenues FBS 2022-2023 EADA

Rutgers...............$130,221,793

Purdue................$124,290,313
Maryland.............$121,183,392
Northwestern.......$117,587,514

Texas..................$261,353,404
Kansas................$205,747,275
Oklahoma............$183,919,881
TCU....................$149,297,918
Baylor.................$137,460,582
Texas Tech...........$123,551,688
Oklahoma State....$119,235,776
West Virginia........$103,142,400
Kansas State........$102,332,761
Iowa State.............$93,048,114

USC.....................$212,013,703
Stanford...............$179,645,688
Washington...........$154,849,477
UCLA....................$141,964,728

Arizona.................$138,761,638
Colorado...............$136,114,468
California..............$134,872,865
Oregon.................$132,359,145

Ranking the most-watched college football programs in 2023​

The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week for a 12-week season.

Streaming numbers are included if available. Games with no available data are counted as zero.

Which college football programs were most-watched in 2023?

  • 11 Southern Cal — 2.83M
  • Washington — 2.68M
  • Tennessee — 2.67M
  • Oklahoma — 2.40M
  • 15 Nebraska — 2.39M
  • Florida — 2.12M
  • Auburn — 2.074M
  • Oregon — 2.067M
  • Texas A&M — 2.062M
  • 20 Oregon State — 1.74M
  • Mississippi — 1.71M
  • Clemson — 1.70M
  • Missouri — 1.63M
  • Iowa — 1.60M
  • 25 Utah — 1.53M
  • Michigan State — 1.48M
  • Wisconsin — 1.45M
  • TCU — 1.42M
  • Maryland — 1.41M
  • 30 Minnesota — 1.37M
  • Louisville — 1.36M
  • Miami FL — 1.33M
  • Duke — 1.32M
  • UCLA — 1.25M
  • 35 Kansas — 1.24M
  • BYU — 1.21M
  • Indiana — 1.18M
  • Iowa State — 1.15M
  • Oklahoma State — 1.14M
  • 40 Arkansas — 1.13M
  • West Virginia — 1.095M
  • Navy — 1.090M
  • Washington State — 1.08M
  • Kentucky — 1.04M
  • 45 Rutgers — 977K
 
I don't think it's an unreasonable consideration. Separate out the top 30 or so programs that want to be pro sports franchises and let the other schools go back to actual amateur athletics with actual students first. The way it exists for nearly all sports other than football and men's b-ball. Ratchet down the spending race.
There’s no going back my man.
 
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I guess I don’t like the idea of the premier teams leaving the Big Ten and leaving Iowa in a conference that is the equivalent of the current Big 12. Don’t like that at all.
It’s basically already happening right in front of you. There’s 3-4 teams at the top and honestly the rest are just taking money.
 
Evaluating a conference, like the B1G, on football alone is misinformed. There are bigger considerations in research and academics that are absent in purely a football fan’s discussion. Obviously, there are other considerations, as well.

It’s the entire package that historically matters in the B1G. One only needs to look at the geographic gap, and lack of prospects, west of Lincoln and east of the west coast teams to understand why it’s not that easy.
 
I’ve thought this for awhile. Iowa and other similar programs (Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc) will ultimately decide if they can or even want to participate in this crazy arms race. Or not.

There’s nothing about where college athletics is headed that’s even remotely appealing to fans of college sports and the college atmosphere.

If I’m Iowa I tap out. Invest even more in arts and literature. That’s where you are the best of the best.

This guy is boycotting the pink locker room
 
I had always wanted to keep the B1G intact but the Washington Coach said he had heard the NIL payrolls of both OSU and Oregon was $20 million each. Iowa can't compete against that. I realize our payout would drop by 50% or more but that is ok.

If the big name schools all left to be in a Super Conference, I am ok with that.

Iowa just needs to play MN, WI, IL, NW, NE and ISU for a fun season.

Go Hawks!
Those top teams don't want to be in a Super Conference. They want the cupcakes on their schedule to pump up their wins. They don't want to play teams equal to them week in week out. I want to see them get rid of the conference championships. They are useless games now.
 
Those top teams don't want to be in a Super Conference. They want the cupcakes on their schedule to pump up their wins. They don't want to play teams equal to them week in week out. I want to see them get rid of the conference championships. They are useless games now.
The SEC is already at paeudo super conference. And it’s a huge concern for them. They cannibalized each other this year and as a result put a lot their teams at risk of missing the playoffs. Which is silly. There are 6 SEC teams at least who have better resumes than Indiana. 3 losses in the SEC isn’t in anyway a disqualifier. In fact it will be the norm. It’s a much deeper league that the Big 10.
 
Never been a cap on NIL in pro sports.

Apples and oranges.

Cap on NIL loses in court all day everyday. It’s like saying you cant earn that much at McDonald’s while you go to school.
Never been a situation like the one we're seeing now. Amateur athletes mixing with paid athletes is a different course entirely. Economics never change though.
 
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It’s basically already happening right in front of you. There’s 3-4 teams at the top and honestly the rest are just taking money.
That may be true, but I still want to see my Hawkeyes playing marquee programs in packed, gigantic stadiums, as well as in Kinnick. Conference championships were going to be few and far between even before this new expansion. CFP appearances may have actually become more realistic. I guess I really prefer the situation Iowa is in compared to Iowa State, despite ISU’s chance of winning a conference championship being much better. I think Iowa’s status in college football relevance is also more stable, although not certain. A Big 12 championship is already only 1/2 step ahead of a MAC championship.
 
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“Blueblood status” based on past decades means little now. NIL is a new era. What matters is who’s going to have enough money to be a major player moving forward. A lot of traditional bluebloods fit that bill, Oregon does too
and a lot of traditional bluebloods do not fit that bill. Alabama being one.
 
The SEC is already at paeudo super conference. And it’s a huge concern for them. They cannibalized each other this year and as a result put a lot their teams at risk of missing the playoffs. Which is silly. There are 6 SEC teams at least who have better resumes than Indiana. 3 losses in the SEC isn’t in anyway a disqualifier. In fact it will be the norm. It’s a much deeper league that the Big 10.
Bullshit. Propaganda has worked quite well on you.
 
So what you’re saying is that you’re on the half of the fanbase that is happy with mediocrity, pumps your fist for 8-5 (even though we’ll play for nothing), bragged about 10 wins in the old Big Ten West, and thinks that Kirk has the right to retire whenever he wants. Pass 👎
if you think Iowa football can compete for championships (conference or otherwise) with no changes to the current system, you're in for a rude awakening. What we have now is the reasonable expectation for the program.
 
The SEC is already at paeudo super conference. And it’s a huge concern for them. They cannibalized each other this year and as a result put a lot their teams at risk of missing the playoffs. Which is silly. There are 6 SEC teams at least who have better resumes than Indiana. 3 losses in the SEC isn’t in anyway a disqualifier. In fact it will be the norm. It’s a much deeper league that the Big 10.
Ur full of sh*t. According to ESPN’s strength of record, Georgia and Texas are the only SEC teams that would be 10-1 or better with Indiana’s schedule.
 
Bullshit. Propaganda has worked quite well on you.
It’s not propaganda. Gotta be honest about your own conference. Being delusional only digs the hole deeper. Who has confidence that Iowa who could finish as high as 4th in BIG10 would beat Ole Miss, Bama, Texas AM, South Carolina? Forget about teams below Iowa/Illnois beating those teams.

And forget about the SEC. Non SEC teams also have better resumes than IU.
 
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Ur full of sh*t. According to ESPN’s strength of record, Georgia and Texas are the only SEC teams that would be 10-1 or better with Indiana’s schedule.
Let’s see how the Bigten does in their bowl games against the SEC and others. Currently, they are only favored to win one game ( Nebraska).
 
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Perhaps schools like Iowa should get inventive. Instead of money now offer things like medical care for life.
 
I had always wanted to keep the B1G intact but the Washington Coach said he had heard the NIL payrolls of both OSU and Oregon was $20 million each. Iowa can't compete against that. I realize our payout would drop by 50% or more but that is ok.

If the big name schools all left to be in a Super Conference, I am ok with that.

Iowa just needs to play MN, WI, IL, NW, NE and ISU for a fun season.

Go Hawks!
This sounds like an awful idea
 
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Life is so much easier if you just embrace the B1G. I'm Hawkeye first then conference. A group of us has been attending the conference championship game in Indy since it's inception. We love seeing the different bands, fans, traditions, etc. I root for the B1G overall to kick ass so I still have a rooting interest on the Saturdays that Iowa lays an egg. We are in the upper half of a super power conference, I don't mind where were at at all.
 
It’s not propaganda. Gotta be honest about your own conference. Being delusional only digs the hole deeper. Who has confidence that Iowa who could finish as high as 4th in BIG10 would beat Ole Miss, Bama, Texas AM, South Carolina? Forget about teams below Iowa/Illnois beating those teams.

And forget about the SEC. Non SEC teams also have better resumes than IU.
It absolutely is propaganda and you have fallen for it completely. Iowa is a Top half of the Big Ten kind of team under Kirk. Kirk is 6-7 against the SEC in bowl games most of which take place in the SEC geographic footprint. None of those wins or losses happened in Kinnick. You really think the sec would come to kinnick stadium and roll us? Zero chance that happens. Nebraska and Penn State thought they would do that to our conference and how did that work out. Tennessee fans had all kinds of plans after winning at Ohio State. How did that work out?

The SEC and ESPN have collided so much that people actually believe their bullshit.
 
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Life is so much easier if you just embrace the B1G. I'm Hawkeye first then conference. A group of us has been attending the conference championship game in Indy since it's inception. We love seeing the different bands, fans, traditions, etc. I root for the B1G overall to kick ass so I still have a rooting interest on the Saturdays that Iowa lays an egg. We are in the upper half of a super power conference, I don't mind where were at at all.
I'd say we are in the upper 1/3rd of the conference.
 
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That may be true, but I still want to see my Hawkeyes playing marquee programs in packed, gigantic stadiums, as well as in Kinnick.
^^^ This is still a truism about Iowa football. Prior to Kirk, who has really watered down the non-conf schedule, and going back many decades Iowa played the top teams around the country, Notre Dame, Syracuse, UCLA, USC, and many Pac-8/10 teams, Big 8 teams like Nebraska, and teams like Tenn, N Car St, Pitt and that made watching and listening to Iowa football great because they also had big rivalries of long standing in the Big 10.

One reason I could hardly become an ISU fan even living in Des Moines was because their non-conf schedule back then was usually pretty lame. Oh and they were just a poor team so often

Kirk has really watered down the non-conf schedule especially the last 10-15 years.

I would rather have Iowa try to beat the goliaths a couple times a year than have all the goliaths move to some super conference. If Iowa is going to have two so-called patsy non-conf games then I would just as much like the hawks to dump ISU and play many more P4 teams in home and away series to liven up the non-conf schedule. A home and away with N Carolina would be cool or with Florida, etc
 
^^^ This is still a truism about Iowa football. Prior to Kirk, who has really watered down the non-conf schedule, and going back many decades Iowa played the top teams around the country, Notre Dame, Syracuse, UCLA, USC, and many Pac-8/10 teams, Big 8 teams like Nebraska, and teams like Tenn, N Car St, Pitt and that made watching and listening to Iowa football great because they also had big rivalries of long standing in the Big 10.

One reason I could hardly become an ISU fan even living in Des Moines was because their non-conf schedule back then was usually pretty lame. Oh and they were just a poor team so often

Kirk has really watered down the non-conf schedule especially the last 10-15 years.

I would rather have Iowa try to beat the goliaths a couple times a year than have all the goliaths move to some super conference. If Iowa is going to have two so-called patsy non-conf games then I would just as much like the hawks to dump ISU and play many more P4 teams in home and away series to liven up the non-conf schedule. A home and away with N Carolina would be cool or with Florida, etc
Kirk played three of those teams you mentioned in noncon regular season games, and was one of the very few B1G to actually play two noncons against major conference teams somewhat regularly.

Off the top of my head he played noncons against:

Kansas state
Nebraska
Syracuse
Pitt
Arizona
Arizona State

Also scheduled Missouri, but they backed out.

What happened 10 years ago, was the B1G went to 9 conference games.

Practically nobody plays two power conference teams in the noncon now.
 
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Kirk played three of those teams you mentioned in noncon regular season games, and was one of the very few B1G to actually play two noncons against major conference teams somewhat regularly.

Off the top of my head he played noncons against:

Kansas state
Nebraska
Syracuse
Pitt
Arizona
Arizona State

Also scheduled Missouri, but they backed out.

What happened 10 years ago, was the B1G went to 9 conference games.

Practically nobody plays two power conference teams in the noncon now.
Yes, I mentioned that Kirk has gone with the softer nonconf schedule the last 10 or so years. And granted the 9th conf game did that.
 
Yes, I mentioned that Kirk has gone with the softer nonconf schedule the last 10 or so years. And granted the 9th conf game did that.
Maybe you weren’t complaining, but if so, what do you expect them to do? They are essentially locked into ISU every year. (Yes, I want to play someone else too.)

They are playing 10 games against power conference teams every year. That’s as many or more than practically every school in the country every year. You can probably count on one finger the number of schools who play 11.

Next year they play ISU noncon, to go along with Indiana, Oregon, Penn State, and USC. Then sprinkle in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan State, and they’re supposed to add UNC or Florida to go along with it.

It might be fun, but it does not seem wise.
 
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