Great for him. There will be some coaches thanking him in the future.
would you trade Iowa's staff straight up for isu's staff
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Matt will be a great coach. If you include Eustice that would give us 4 coaches who wrestled 134 or below.
I would vote for Iowa except losing Metcalf hurts in my opinion. I think wrestling as a sport probably requires less experience than other sports to have a successful program and be a successful coach. In my opinion the best 3 coaches in wrestling today were all multiple national champs and Olympic gold medalists. That doesn't happen in other sports. My point is, for all those that are differentiating on Metcalf's ability to coach and recruit based on his lack of experience I think misses the mark. My 2 cents.
I agree to a point...lets say they TnT add MCD to the staff....then you have 3 guys that essentially coach the same lightweights...Metcalf can at least roll with 141-174 pounders.
Not to mention that unless it picks up Iowa HS wrestling is not good enough overall live off. We had to get more national to keep up with the other big dogs. I look at it this way too. Dresser was at VT as long Brands was at Iowa yet in order to fill his staff he has none of the guys he trained at VT and no ISU guys. He has a staff of guys Brands trained. I think that says a lot.
McD will weigh 150 in no time if he is not holding down for competition.
Cleans them and cooks them.
Yes he can roll easier with the bigger guys no question there. I think Matt was a very good mat wrestler and could scramble with the best of them ( really liked him and long going at it) . I think of Brent more from the stand up position as anything. The brands were more Metcalf style than mcd. I just think he brings something different than what Brent does and coaching experience is a wash either way. I would not be afraid to bring a David Taylor on board either. Great name recognition to the young kids and a great technician. Hawks will be fine either way, just got to keep raising that bar on recruiting. That is the key no matter what.
Losing Metcalf sucks but after further thought, it isn't that big of a deal IMO.
If he doesn't turn out to be a great coach and doesn't bring the premier HS wrestlers to ISU, it isn't a big loss. If he turns out to be a great coach and great recruiting asset, he will be out of Ames and into a head coaching job (or top assistant and future head coach at Iowa) in no time.
If he doesn't turn out to be a great coach and doesn't bring the premier HS wrestlers to ISU, it isn't a big loss. If he turns out to be a great coach and great recruiting asset, he will be out of Ames and into a head coaching job (or top assistant and future head coach at Iowa) in no time.
The reason the vote is close is because Iowa fans are getting impatient for the ship to be righted. We've picked up momentum in recruiting, but it took a dry spell to wake us from our slumber, we're still not closing the gap on Penn State, and as one could reasonably infer from the Teasdale episode, we still haven't learned how mobile phones work.
We have a reputation for being a bit insular, a bit stubborn, and a bit narrow in the type of wrestler we attract and groom. And if I'm a top-10 recruit, you need to convince me why I should come to Iowa. I don't have to beg you to let me come.
Sorry to be a dick about it. But that's why the vote is close.
We have a reputation for being a bit insular, a bit stubborn, and a bit narrow in the type of wrestler we attract and groom. And if I'm a top-10 recruit, you need to convince me why I should come to Iowa. I don't have to beg you to let me come.
Sorry to be a dick about it. But that's why the vote is close.
More attention than what? Than before? Just about any coaching staff should achieve that.
Or do you mean more than Iowa?
I did not spend one minute of time following isu this past year because they were not on my radar. over the next few years I will passively follow isu to see where they stand because I believe they will be on our heels soon
I know some will not like this but technically I would take McD over Metcalf every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I'm happy for Brent and I loved to watch him get after it but his style is way to similar to TNT .. Iowa needs more technical guys in the room more mat wrestlers to go along with the Iowa style I think there is now a need for some more wide open wrestling.. This will also draw more recruits
ISU did close a gap on Iowa because they were about as low as possible this past year so they could really only go up. As far as being on our heels soon? As long as Iowa keeps moving forward like they have recently then I don't see ISU on our heels for quite a while. Only time will tell I guess....
Does Eustice roll with the team or is he just the social media monitor?
"Does Eustice roll with the team or is he just the social media monitor?"
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IMO, this new ISU staff looks really good. I think that Tom Brands had Carl's number at ISU, but he won't have Dresser's. Two things matter: recruiting and development. Dresser can do both, and he'll do them better at ISU than he did at V Tech. Zadick is a great, experienced assistant, and Metcalf and St. John are super as well. They may be a bit shy at the lightest weights.
I fear Iowa is in for a real tussle with the new ISU in a few years. For once Pollard got his head out of his arse.
I fear Iowa is in for a real tussle with the new ISU in a few years. For once Pollard got his head out of his arse.
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Iowa's 2013 class is basically gone except BS.
2 of top 3 recruits from 2014 class are gone. The attrition that is happening is of concern to me.
2 of top 3 recruits from 2014 class are gone. The attrition that is happening is of concern to me.
Director of Operations...Scut work, but very necessary to the cause. Large reason why Grapple was a success btw.
Not if McD was on iowa's, he technically owns the rest. Put Clark on there too. A lot of smalls but technically, I'll take them.
Who is going to wrestle with that wolverine hands looking defense of Metcalf and live on a Hi C? No one. DSJ, whatever. Zad, won't even speak on him.
Bring out the six figures and get a world champ in the middle weights or DT or kill the program and start a badminton team.
Who is going to wrestle with that wolverine hands looking defense of Metcalf and live on a Hi C? No one. DSJ, whatever. Zad, won't even speak on him.
Bring out the six figures and get a world champ in the middle weights or DT or kill the program and start a badminton team.
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Excellent point. The Gable coaching tree, and now former Hawkeye coaching tree is insane. It's a pretty cool thing tbh. I always hoped Metcalf would end up coaching at Iowa, and he still might one day. Either way, as an Iowan, I hope the former Hawkeyes, can help turn ISU's program around. I don't want them getting the premier in state recruits over Iowa, but the quality of their program the last few years, is just sad.
Good to see Metcalf is getting paid so well as a volunteer assistant. I think this is evidence that the fundraising and donations need to improve at Iowa. If we had adequate funding, we could be getting elite coaches as a volunteer assistant or HWC coaches who help out at the NCAA level as well too.
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Why in the f*ck would you assume or suggest that Metcalf would engage in negative recruiting about Brands?
The reason the vote is close is because we have 40-50 trolls on here. I know you know that, but you were probably having withdrawal by not posting about needing top 10 recruits for a week or so
Because that's what you do when you're recruiting against a school. Are you new here?
Sounds great on paper but KJ had a very good recruiting class...and that was KJ. I think Dresser can bring in studs, especially with a guy named Metcalf on staff. Think they will get really good, really quick.
Here's the good news. Iowa is going to have to answer...not only Brands but in terms of support from the U. It's one thing for PSU to beat us but falling second to State will not be tolerated...so Brands and Iowa wrestlers are on the clock. Having State chasing us is a good thing...competition brings out the best.
Dresser nor his staff have shown any of this to be true to the fact they are better than Iowa at recruiting or developing. Dresser, Zadick, Metcalf and STJ would like their nuts back when you are done hugging them. Dresser is not in the same league as a coach now as Carl. Carl would have had ISU winning some titles if he stayed. ISU will never win a NT with Carl as competition. Of course the new staff is a big improvement over the status quo.
He's the Director of Wrestling Operations and it's an administrative role with the program. He doesn't roll or practice with the team.
What could you possibly base this on? His PSU success with a large amount of Penn wrestles?
He was already doing quite well at ISU. He had David Taylor set to come in and already had Matt Brown in the fold. Not to mention Varner, Reader and Zabriskie still there. He was getting some top end recruits and was going to get more. They were legit contenders already before he left. He would not have done as well as he has at PSU but they would have remained a contender and likely won a title or two.
In 2007, during Sanderson's rookie campaign, he led ISU to a 13-3 dual meet record and the first of three straight Big 12 Championships. An outstanding NCAA Runner-Up finish in Detroit capped off a wildly successful year as the Cyclones crowned one national champion and Sanderson was honored as Big 12 Coach of the Year, National Rookie Coach of the Year and National Coach of the Year. The next year, Sanderson led ISU to a 16-4 dual meet mark, another Big 12 title and a fifth place finish at nationals. Iowa State's seven All-Americans in 2008 were the most at the school since 1993.
In 2009, Sanderson's team went 15-3 in duals, won its third straight Big 12 title and took third place at the NCAA Championships in St. Louis (just 12 points out of first place). The Cyclones also crowned another National Champion. In three years at Iowa State, Sanderson's teams went 44-10, won three conference crowns, qualified all 30 wrestlers for nationals, earned 15 All-American awards and two individual national titles.
Better than Iowa? Maybe not. More competitive with Iowa? Absolutely. Dresser's teams at V-Tech have been overperforming lately considering the wrestling landscape in that region.
I'm not hugging anyone, but I just think this new ISU staff has good potential. I don't believe that Carl would have won nearly as many titles at ISU, because he couldn't get over the local recruiting hurdle that was Iowa. That's why he bailed on ISU. In PA, it's a different story. He's wolf among the sheep there.
Virginia wrestling is probably every bit as good as Iowa these days. May not have as much depth, but has as many high end prospects. VT has two top 50 recruits from Virginia in this years class
Yeah, ok. You are right, he did dominate the 4-team Big 12. Unfortunately for him he never beat Iowa as a wrestler nor as a coach at ISU, and he wasn't getting a title with the ISU wrestlers that you listed - we have hindsight for that.
You have absolutely no basis for "likely would have won a title or two," and you purposefully only look to his resumes at the time, as opposed to the resumes of all the other teams out there. When would his best years have come? His best year was his first, and even with Taylor he wasn't over some hump, as Iowa won in 2008, 9 and 10. Taylor got his titles in 2011 and 2013. Unless of course you believe he was pulling in Wright, Molinaro, Ruth, or any of the current studs.
Do you know who thought he wouldn't overcome the hump? Cael Sanderson - he admitted as much after his move.
But good work on the bold, considering half of it are his accomplishments in the B12.
Bottom line is that Metcalf has more star power than McD and almost anyone else not named Taylor, Dake or Steiber. Metcalf will bring in recruits and as discussed over and over on this thread - recruiting is the key item Iowa needs to improve.
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