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WOW.....Vance on Meet the Press with Welker

Come on....at least try and provide proof of your claims. This is a joke, right? LOL!

Again, Hyper Inflation started TWO YEARS after Harris/Biden took office. Not during or at the end of Trumps term. Don't lie.


I didn’t say that. What I said was that Biden has managed to curb inflation more effectively than most of the industrialized world, bringing it down to around 3%—a notable achievement given the global challenges. Inflation initially spiked due to the global pandemic, if you remember that time; it was also when a certain “leader” suggested drinking bleach as a cure.

The link you shared only reviews inflation data until June 2022, which doesn't reflect current conditions. I’m not sure why you're choosing 2022 as an arbitrary endpoint when, today, U.S. inflation is now below 3%. Here are the 2023-2024 inflation rates, along with a forecast for 2025. They look promising to me. Take a look: Statista link to forecast.

Also, consider what would happen to inflation with a proposed 20% tariff on all goods, as Trump has promised. For reference on his tariff proposal, see here: Read about Trump's 20% tariffs here

Trump’s track record on the economy is, frankly, NONEXISTENT—every decision seemingly crafted for his personal benefit. If you’re claiming Trump handled the economy better than Obama, please break down exactly what Trump did that resulted in better metrics.
The global pandemic started under Trump for freaks sakes. Again, when he left office the inflation rate was 1.4%. This is FACT.

The inflation Biden caused happened TWO years after he took office. What the heck are you talking about? And, I chose 2022 as that was when Biden's moves really kicked in on inflation to make it the highest in 40 years.

You wanna take current rates? Fine, the following counties have CURRENT inflation rates at or BELOW the US - Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Spain and United Kingdom. Biden did not make us the envy of the world for petes sakes.

And again, read closer and learn about the art of negotiations. Trump puts the scare out there about tariffs to get other countries to the table. Talk to me when he actually causes inflation like Biden/Harris did. :rolleyes:
 
That money was illegally taken from Iran…..and like it or not, was rightfully theirs to spend as they saw fit…..Meds….bullshit…..you need to get off the Kool-Aid!
WOW!! I thought one of you would come and defend this....but dang that was quick!!! You need to quit posting after this horrific take!! You would have been right there saying that nothing should have been done economically to keep Hitler for doing his deeds....because it would have been mean and wrong to cripple his economy. Do you even think before you type? Stupid phuck.
 
Nope. It ain’t arbitrary. Was the Reagan administration under hyperinflation?

You sound really stupid with this line of reasoning.

Maybe take a break.
Actually, many economist have different opinions on what and when inflation is considered Hyper.
 
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The global pandemic started under Trump for freaks sakes. Again, when he left office the inflation rate was 1.4%. This is FACT.

The inflation Biden caused happened TWO years after he took office. What the heck are you talking about? And, I chose 2022 as that was when Biden's moves really kicked in on inflation to make it the highest in 40 years.

You wanna take current rates? Fine, the following counties have CURRENT inflation rates at or BELOW the US - Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Spain and United Kingdom. Biden did not make us the envy of the world for petes sakes.

And again, read closer and learn about the art of negotiations. Trump puts the scare out there about tariffs to get other countries to the table. Talk to me when he actually causes inflation like Biden/Harris did. :rolleyes:
You will never get them to understand these facts. It is not in their character. LOL!!
 
Thank you.

Ok, off to get ready to watch the Hawk take the Badgers down tomorrow!!!!! GO HAWKS!!!
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The global pandemic started under Trump for freaks sakes. Again, when he left office the inflation rate was 1.4%. This is FACT.

The inflation Biden caused happened TWO years after he took office. What the heck are you talking about? And, I chose 2022 as that was when Biden's moves really kicked in on inflation to make it the highest in 40 years.

You wanna take current rates? Fine, the following counties have CURRENT inflation rates at or BELOW the US - Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Spain and United Kingdom. Biden did not make us the envy of the world for petes sakes.

And again, read closer and learn about the art of negotiations. Trump puts the scare out there about tariffs to get other countries to the table. Talk to me when he actually causes inflation like Biden/Harris did. :rolleyes:
I’m still waiting on what Trump specifically did. You maga love to criticize Biden for pulling us out of the pandemic mess Trump left him (hint: not all actions have an immediate reaction) and praise Trump. If he deserves praise, Wyoming should be able to explain what he did. I’ve asked for weeks on this board now and no one can answer specifically.
 
Nope. It ain’t arbitrary. Was the Reagan administration under hyperinflation?

You sound really stupid with this line of reasoning.

Maybe take a break.
Hey moron, yes I would say that the inflation during that time would have been hyper inflation. Why don't just stay of instead of even taking a break.

I am not on here enought to "take a break", LOL!
 
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Hey moron, yes I would say that the inflation during that time would have been hyper inflation. Why don't just stay of instead of even taking a break.

I am not on here enought to "take a break", LOL!

But it still doesn’t meet the definition of hyper inflation. That’s my point. You keep repeating it doesn’t make it true.

Go look up Argentina’s historic struggle with inflation or Germany after WWI. Those are actual examples of hyperinflation.
 
They will have to create a new word to describe what will happen if Trump wins and he institutes his tarrifs plan. Hyper inflation won't cover it.
The key is "IF". He won't need to do anything that will make it worse....you know, like Harris/Biden did.
 
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I’m still waiting on what Trump specifically did. You maga love to criticize Biden for pulling us out of the pandemic mess Trump left him (hint: not all actions have an immediate reaction) and praise Trump. If he deserves praise, Wyoming should be able to explain what he did. I’ve asked for weeks on this board now and no one can answer specifically.
I have never seen anyone say that Obama's economy was bad. Only that Trump took what he did and made it better

Under Trump's presidency, the economy strengthened and the unemployment rate fell leading up to the pandemic in 2020. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA)—a major overhaul of the tax code—had some positive impacts, such as increasing consumer spending. The stock market also hit new records leading up to the pandemic and again shutdowns eased. Before the COVID-19 pandemic, the economy under Trump remained strong, with low inflation and job growth.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which took effect in 2018 after Trump signed it into law, was the largest overhaul of the tax code in 30 years. While many of the reforms expire in 2025 (And the Dem's, if the win, have already said they will let these lapse), the TCJA affected income tax rates, standard deduction, personal exemption, health coverage mandate, tax credits and more for individual taxpayers. Studies show the legislation likely boosted economic growth through raising U.S. capital investment, and raised spending as individuals had more after-tax income to spend in the first couple of years the law went into effect.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) traded at 30,000 in 2020 and jumped 57% overall during Trump's term.

Kept illegal immigration under control. With the current administrations open border policy going for 4 years, many cities have seen their services, Fire Departments, Police, Housing, Hospitals and especially Schools put under added stress.

Home lending remained strong.

Energy Prices from Trump's energy policies keep cost low.
 
The key is "IF". He won't need to do anything that will make it worse....you know, like Harris/Biden did.
“He” didn’t… “He” repaired the damage done by Trump by establishing the supply delivery system at shipping ports and passing legislation that will allow America to remain free of foreign governments (chip and infrastructure bills) and he has encourage more oil production within the USA than ever before…the economy is absolutely booming… If Trump was President today, we would be hearing daily about what a “beautiful, perfect economy” we live in today…you and I both know this is indeed the case… plus , if he was President, the southern border situation wouldn’t be much different than it is today , because we both know, Trump needs confusion and noise to be relevant.
 
I have never seen anyone say that Obama's economy was bad. Only that Trump took what he did and made it better

Under Trump's presidency, the economy strengthened and the unemployment rate fell leading up to the pandemic in 2020. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA)—a major overhaul of the tax code—had some positive impacts, such as increasing consumer spending. The stock market also hit new records leading up to the pandemic and again shutdowns eased. Before the COVID-19 pandemic, the economy under Trump remained strong, with low inflation and job growth.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which took effect in 2018 after Trump signed it into law, was the largest overhaul of the tax code in 30 years. While many of the reforms expire in 2025 (And the Dem's, if the win, have already said they will let these lapse), the TCJA affected income tax rates, standard deduction, personal exemption, health coverage mandate, tax credits and more for individual taxpayers. Studies show the legislation likely boosted economic growth through raising U.S. capital investment, and raised spending as individuals had more after-tax income to spend in the first couple of years the law went into effect.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) traded at 30,000 in 2020 and jumped 57% overall during Trump's term.

Kept illegal immigration under control. With the current administrations open border policy going for 4 years, many cities have seen their services, Fire Departments, Police, Housing, Hospitals and especially Schools put under added stress.

Home lending remained strong.

Energy Prices from Trump's energy policies keep cost low.
Artificially low interest rates were jets to Trump’s economy. His tax cuts were inflationary and his wholesale destruction if government safeguards to protect the economy from a disaster (such as a pandemic) lead to the depth of the economy shutting down from the pandemic. Trump and his 4 years were far from “ perfect”… in many instances it was exceedingly reckless.
 
The media once again is going to get Trump elected. I assume most posters on here aren’t that impacted by the increase in inflation, so it’s not a real big issue. But the average pay for a big chunk of the country is well under $100,000 a year. Trying to make a living with a family at the prices four years ago versus today has got to be very challenging for a lot of families.

So when they see news reports like this where they say Trump is a threat, Trump is a facist, Trump says mean things, I imagine they really don’t care. What they remember is that he did serve for four years, and their ability to survive and thrive economically was much better.

It’s long been known that people vote with their wallets and the Republican Party seems to be becoming the party of the poor and lower income, so they are going to get that vote. As Bill Clinton said back in his successful campaign, “it’s the economy, stupid!”
Wages are way up also. Depending on location and job sector more than inflation. Not something that is talked about much.
 
“He” didn’t… “He” repaired the damage done by Trump by establishing the supply delivery system at shipping ports and passing legislation that will allow America to remain free of foreign governments (chip and infrastructure bills) and he has encourage more oil production within the USA than ever before…the economy is absolutely booming… If Trump was President today, we would be hearing daily about what a “beautiful, perfect economy” we live in today…you and I both know this is indeed the case… plus , if he was President, the southern border situation wouldn’t be much different than it is today , because we both know, Trump needs confusion and noise to be relevant.
Much like your INSANE comment from yesterday touting Obama's funding Iran's terrorist operation with his 6 Billion donation, this paragraph shows how moronic you are.

He did not repair any damage done by Trump. The Economy was well on it's way to recovery when Biden took office. You know, the 1.4% inflation rate that Biden inherited from Trump when he took office. Under Trump, In 2019, net energy imports turned negative, meaning the U.S. had become energy independent.

I do agree that if Trump were President, he would be saying how great it is. They ALL do that. For cripes sakes, for 4 years all we have heard from this administration is how secure our borders are....when they are clearly not.

The last part of your claim is rediculous. Biden comes into office and reverses 50 Trump executive orders that kept the border under control. He then tells people to surge the border. LOL! Just stop already.
 
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Artificially low interest rates were jets to Trump’s economy. His tax cuts were inflationary and his wholesale destruction if government safeguards to protect the economy from a disaster (such as a pandemic) lead to the depth of the economy shutting down from the pandemic. Trump and his 4 years were far from “ perfect”… in many instances it was exceedingly reckless.
Those rates started under Obama. LOL!! Trump's tax cuts were not inflationary. What the hell are you talking about? Again, the inlfation rate when Biden took over was 1.4% Good Grief. Now,

I LOVED the Chips act and have said that Biden killed on this. I wish Trump had done it.
 
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Wages are way up also. Depending on location and job sector more than inflation. Not something that is talked about much.
We, in the USA are living in a strong economy right now…. Despite what MAGAt Amerika is saying. People who say the economy is “bad” are just playing bad politics, in my opinion. Things are more expensive than they were 5 years ago…. Yep. But 10 years ago, that was the case, too…
In 1973 the price of a dozen premium golf balls moved from $15/ dozen to $18/ dozen. We in the golf business thought we would never hear the end of it! Today these golf balls are $50+/ dozen… and folks are still buying them and still playing golf! Whoever thought we would see cars with a MSRP of $40k and higher? People are still buying cars, too. A “middle class” new construction single family house retails out at $350k… when I moved to DSM in ‘63 you could buy a 3bdrm ranch w/ attached garage in WDSM for $25k….interest rates were 7-9% and you had to make an additional pointing at the bank to arrange a mortgage interview…Pick your poison…
 
LOL! "Call me a racist without calling me a racist" LOL!

Tell you what, will you agree then that Trump NEVER called white supremacist fine people? Because if you can't then the same applies with Harris's comments about Biden during the debate.
You've been exposed again as a lying piece of shit.

I didn't make that claim because I'm not an ignorant dumbass like you.
 
I have never seen anyone say that Obama's economy was bad. Only that Trump took what he did and made it better

Under Trump's presidency, the economy strengthened and the unemployment rate fell leading up to the pandemic in 2020. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA)—a major overhaul of the tax code—had some positive impacts, such as increasing consumer spending. The stock market also hit new records leading up to the pandemic and again shutdowns eased. Before the COVID-19 pandemic, the economy under Trump remained strong, with low inflation and job growth.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which took effect in 2018 after Trump signed it into law, was the largest overhaul of the tax code in 30 years. While many of the reforms expire in 2025 (And the Dem's, if the win, have already said they will let these lapse), the TCJA affected income tax rates, standard deduction, personal exemption, health coverage mandate, tax credits and more for individual taxpayers. Studies show the legislation likely boosted economic growth through raising U.S. capital investment, and raised spending as individuals had more after-tax income to spend in the first couple of years the law went into effect.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) traded at 30,000 in 2020 and jumped 57% overall during Trump's term.

Kept illegal immigration under control. With the current administrations open border policy going for 4 years, many cities have seen their services, Fire Departments, Police, Housing, Hospitals and especially Schools put under added stress.

Home lending remained strong.

Energy Prices from Trump's energy policies keep cost low.
Tax cuts have an immediate effect but have a negative effect in the long run and now the debt is ballooning in part because of those tax cuts. The tax cuts were not offset by corresponding spending cuts, which meant the U.S. government had to borrow more. Estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) suggest the TCJA could add roughly $1.9 trillion to the national debt over a decade. This increase in debt has long-term implications, as it can lead to higher interest costs, constrain future government spending, and potentially limit the government's ability to respond to future economic crises.

The tax cuts simply enriched those who were already wealthy. Although the tax cuts reduced the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%, many corporations used their tax savings to buy back shares rather than invest in long-term productive assets, research, or job creation. While stock buybacks boost share prices (benefiting shareholders), they do little to foster sustained economic growth. This allocation of corporate resources primarily benefits wealthier shareholders rather than the broader economy.

The Trump tax cuts provided short-term benefits for corporations and wealthy individuals, with some gains for middle-income earners. However, the long-term drawbacks include a higher national debt, increased inequality, and potential challenges to the stability of social safety nets, all of which could weigh down economic growth and financial security in the future.

 
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Nah. Not really.

And really; you’re carrying the water for @Gus is dead here, which is quite moronic on your part. He suggested that if Kamala is elected, she’d be the world's dumbest, least prepared, most vacuous President in the history of America.

I mean: we lived through Donald Trump from 2017-21 - and continue to have to put up with his stupid shit. Harris doesn’t come close to “dumb” and “vacuous”. It’s a silly argument.
She may be “book smart” as she apparently passed the bar exam, but she doesn’t have much common sense.
 
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She may be “book smart” as she apparently passed the bar exam, but she doesn’t have much common sense.

I’m 100% confident she passed the California bar exam. There’s no “apparently” about it.

Kind of a douche statement. But you do you.
 
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