Just like most everywhere in the world today, "Money is the root of all evil."
Wyatt Henson in the transfer portal
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Well IMO he has been mildly fishing for reasons (NIL) to come back at all. Gotta think there’s a number for a guy that is open about playing his cards right.
I get your point. even on today's show i said we knew it was gonna happen.
but this HASNT happened in wrestling till this point. in other sports, sure. so i'm not sure why you don't think it's a topic worth discussing
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It was also rampant prior to NIL. The NCAA just didn't want to regulate it so they made it legal.
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Pre NIL, the benefits of being sleazy and not caring about the rules/law benefited a program relatively more than during NIL era. If majority of programs played within the rules, and a few programs didn't, but also didn't have to worry about NCAA punishment, that's a massive competitive advantage.
Now it's legal for all which takes away the competitive advantage that the cheating programs had before.
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The fact that NCAA compliance puts the onus on school's own compliance departments to regulate and investigate themselves is hilariously fundamentally flawed.
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Derek Fix being the Okie State RTC coach wasn't just a pre NIL version of NIL?
What's the link to your show?
Which is why this sport, maybe even above football and basketball, will become the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers.
define 'it'.
Derek Fix (or Nate Carr) being an RTC coach isn't tampering. it's legal.
Derek Fix (or Nate Carr) being an RTC coach isn't tampering. it's legal.
agree 100%. but that really didn't become the case until after they lost the supreme court case.
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I think I remember a FRL from a few years ago where it was brought up that there was a wrestler/dad who specifically requested a job as a quid pro quo for their son attending a program. No idea who/which program and am not asserting that it was Derek Fix or Nate Carr.
I'm just skeptical that tampering didn't occur in wrestling prior to NIL.
here's the link https://rokfin.com/stream/16730/TFW-Open-Jobs--Bag-Men (paywall though)
to be honest i don't recall either stating that it was a prerequisite (i could be wrong though)
but regardless, it's legal.
you're right that self compliance is a joke though. it's downright unconscionable.
to be honest i don't recall either stating that it was a prerequisite (i could be wrong though)
but regardless, it's legal.
you're right that self compliance is a joke though. it's downright unconscionable.
As a die hard Dodgers fan, I welcome this comparison. Lots of similarities. Both have a legacy of excellence but have only won 1 title recently. Quite often favored to win and then injuries and the post season get to them. Much better than being a fan of an irrelevant team/program.
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Sure. Officially they can claim to be against it. Just like they claim to be against PED use, and countless other compliance related issues that they simply do not regulate and instead ask the schools to regulate themselves and notify the NCAA if they broke any rules.
This is happening in every sport in college right now. Huge in hockey, basketball and football too.
It's been that way since NCAA team championships began.
Oklahoma State- 34
Iowa- 24
Penn State- 10
Iowa State- 8
Oklahoma- 7
Minnesota- 3
Cornell College, UNI, Indiana, Michigan State, Ohio State- 1
Tell me more about how this is going to make wrestling MORE top heavy than it always has been?
There has never been a year where more than 3 or 4 teams have a realistic shot at winning the title.
Never said it wasn't worth discussing, you have to talk about something real or imagined right? (any topic)
This "new" stuff is just a regurgitated form of the old under a new format, IMO. There's always going to be nefarious characters trying to game the system. SSDD
No matter the topic, if there is money involved, ALWAYS follow the money.
I think we're going to see ISU become a real player here in a couple of years. MJ Gaitain just whopped on Riggins, Swiderski has whopped Jesse Mendez twice, and don't forget he beat Ayala, and Tate Naaktoboren is going to be real good.
Eerily similar to a school further west in every off season for football. If there was a lengthy sell out streak attached to it they would be almost the exact same.
still don't know what you're talking about.
what's happening in wresting rn has never happened.
Guess I didn't realize Nebraska football was getting elite recruits.... or not similar at all.
That's out in the open maybe. The NIL is new, the transfer anywhere at anytime is new. That's new for all Sports. Under the table money is not new.
The NIL supposedly brings things out in the light, but where there's a will there's a way and that too will get circumvented by some. Because why wouldn't it?
It's about development at ISU. They've accomplished nothing of significance in the lighter weights outside of Degen's AA stats. Parker is the among the guys that never improved. 125/133/141 have been revolving doors since Dresser arrived. And I won't even mention the gaps at 165/174.
Not sure what to think of Mendez and whether he's regressed a bit? I can certainly understand why Swiderski chose the Clones. The room is bare and he steps in as a starter in Day 1. Dresser has been a HC since 2006 and has one, count em one, Natty champ. What's the appeal to go to ISU?
We'll see what happens with the others you mention. Clone fans are expecting to be competitive with the Hawks in two years.
I'm not seeing it.
As much as anything, I used the comparison from a deep pockets analogy and a willingness to dig in them.
And the gap after the top 4-5 will become even wider. Just how many schools do you think will be able to put together a competitive NIL package, for wrestling? And that doesn't even factor in the post graduation wrestling club tie in.
How much wider do you think it can get? Penn State scored nearly double the amount of points as the 4th place team.
As long as Iowa is one of those top 4-5, and other schools don't drop their programs, why should we care?
Big fish in small pond pays well. I'll bet being a national champ in Madison WI is a super big deal. National champs at Penn State get Arby's gift certificates.
They're not a big deal if there aren't enough fans to fill a small high school gymnasium for a dual meet.
I hope that I am way wrong here, but this potential to make the "stratification" even more distinct could cause a range of "also ran's" to evaluate whether or not they even want to be in the wrestling game.
Even recognizing that Iowa is near the top of the D1 wrestling heap, it still concerns me greatly to see such a transformation in the "amateur" sports world, especially as it relates to non-revenue sports.
As an Iowa fan I would love that. The Dodgers go all in every year, unfortunately it doesn’t always pan out. Both teams lead their sports in attendance btw. 38,000 fans on a Tuesday night doesn’t suck.
It's already happened. There is FBS and FCS for football. There are D1, D2 and D3 colleges.
I was talking about just dropping programs all together. Something that I would hate to see.
Not compared to the equivalent to what ISU wrestling got.
We all would hate to see that, but why would progams get dropped? I just don't see it.
NIL doesn't increase program costs, if anything it can reduce it. There is already only 9.9 scholarship limit for a wrestling room of 35. Seems like the other 25.1 would have a chance to be better taken care of.
Do you think a school being a little less competitive in terms of Ws & Ls or Championship team points justifies them getting dropped?
Do you think current University Presidents currently care about the on-field performance of non-revenue sports?
I think coaches will coach the student athlete in front of them, and the student body, alumni, and fanatics of a given non-revenue sport will continue to support the student athletes of their team.
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