We are absolutely inferior to ISU in basketball.
Yes, we are "little brother" to Iowa st. in basketball. We have descended to the bowels of futility.
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We’ve had more than enough patience for Fran to give us something memorable.
It hasn’t happened. Start the coaching search.
We’re all aware of Iowa’s inability to advance in the NCAA tournament, but if you find other categories “meaningful,“ you’d find that ISU’s edge is not really all that significant. At least to me, because I do not use ISU’s results in MBB as a benchmark for Iowa. You have to admit there are plenty of Clone fans out there who genuinely think our histories are comparable when they are not—that’s being “little brother.”
That said, I’d like to see Iowa do better—never said I didn’t.
What exactly has Fran been strapped with? Please don’t tell me you can’t recruit to Iowa. You are right about one thing. Fran has done ok. Ok is mediocre. Just what all of us fans are looking for.
I’m not sure exactly what the categories are but since the turn of the century:
Conference Regular Season Titles:
Iowa State 2 ( Granted both of those were in 2000 and 2001)
Iowa 0
Conference Tourney Titles:
Iowa State 5 (Four in the last ten years and trying to make it five out of 11 tonight)
Iowa 3 (But two of those years were a long time ago and they have a tendency to win a conference title and then get bounced in the first round.)
NCAA Appearances:
Iowa State - 13 including this season
Iowa - 10
NCAA Sweet Sixteen or better:
Iowa State - 4 (Most likely five after this tourney)
Iowa - 0
Throw in the fact that Iowa State constantly produces NBA rotational talent to superstars and Iowa has only produced Keegan Murray in that category.
I don’t see Iowa even being close to Iowa State.
This season, night and day between ISU and Iowa. Watching the Big 12 title game. It is a whole 'nother level.
A pleasure watching teams that can defend and be physical.
I had not considered conference titles because wa are not in the same conference. I was mostly referring to head to head and total wins. Didn’t say they aren’t better I just don‘t see this as a great divide other than the aforementioned lack of tourney success. Tourney titles I’ll give you. 🤷♀️
This is why the tourney is signed to 2031 in KC. The west schools and Houston talk about it rotating to Dallas or Vegas, not going to happen. With the addition of 4 eastern schools coming, KC is the central point of the league in the future.
We’re not doing the whole thing where we go back and consider season’s from 25, 30, 40 years ago.
You know, like Nebraska football fans do when we talk sh*t because we’ve essentially made them our “little brother” on the gridiron.
Recent history = ISU easily superior in bball. Therefore.. You could see why some would consider us “little brother”
Literally. I can't remember the last time ISU had 5 white guys on the floor at the same time.
I also think thats it better to have turnover. 10 years is long enough for any coach unless he's a hall of famer. Barta was a moron that gave big long contracts that ties our hands. It would be nice to have a benefactor who could pays buy outs and bring in top NIL players.
We’re little brother in basketball.
Iowa State is little brother in football.
Is what it is.
Iowa State is little brother in football.
Is what it is.
Of the teams I watched this weekend, ISU is the best. They legit have a chance to win it all.
But we are just little ole Iowa, some delusional fans expect too much. Fran is a good guy. We should just settle for being totally mediocre. Remember are last shitty coach?
All stupid arguments
Yep, have a good coach and turned it around. Shame on them.
Fran has not proven he is a good investment for nil $$$.
Since 1989, they have not been comparable. Iowa State has been better with the exception of the Prohm years.
My point about how bad it is though that Iowa hasn't won the conference in 45 years. There are plenty of years where the the B1G just isn't that good.....
What we have with Fran is not changing. HE will not change his style of play and will continue to recruit to his style. Next year will be more of the same. Sometimes we win because the offense looks great. Many games we will lose because the offense is off, and the defense is really never part of the game. Sometimes we will just plain get our butts kicked like ISU did to us this year. It's not going to change with Fran.
The one he pulled out of his bunghole.
1980s: 6-4 Iowa
1990s: 5-5
2000s: 6-5 Iowa (because of an NIT game)
2010s: 6-4 Iowa State
2020s: 2-2
At no point in recent history, has Iowa been better head-to-head, and certainly not in the way of conference championships and tournament runs.
Because that’s a recipe for failure in basketball. However, if it’s a Pottery Barn sales floor, they’ll be right at home.
