Say nothing when you lose. Say less when you win. Act like you've been there. Other teams manage to do it. NCAA champs manage to do it. Wrestling is an emotional sport, but part of it sucking it up and manning up.
Soldier Salute Session IV Thread
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Thanks. This angle makes it clear that Rathjen did give a shove.
Now that the fire has cooled a bit. How do we feel about the squad after the tourney? drake has to be right back in the thick of AA status. Two beautiful wins. Teske wins but against who? Tourney guy. Woods being Woods. Rathjen working to make a name for himself? His spot over VV? I’d prefer it as maybe he’s not afraid to shoot. Franek is the man here. Not sure #2 but he high AA. Caliendo is our dude here. PK either needs to bulk or be ready if something happens. 174 gapping hole. Not sure it’s best for Gabe to go true frogs or not but yes clearly best in the room and a AA candidate no question. 184 MAJOR hole. 197 love glaziers fight even if AJ don’t sign and kind of hope he don’t now. I was on board but too much negativity everywhere. Not sure it’s shining a spotlight on us that we want. I think Glaziers quality enough to get a 7/8place at nattys. HWT huge hole.
What do we see? 6 AA? Two finalists? Maybe one champ? Bartlett going to give woods fits again
What do we see? 6 AA? Two finalists? Maybe one champ? Bartlett going to give woods fits again
So Rathje pushing after the match is great, but AJ pushing after the match is not? All this after match pushing has to stop. It seems when one of our guys does it (ADS, Spencer, etc) It’s ok, but otherwise it’s bad. Let’s give the Ferrari’s a fair shake and not hang them over a post match pushing that Brands has encouraged for years.
Ferrari ass kisser? Quote a single one of my posts where I've kissed his ass. I don't recall every saying anything good about AJ other than maybe he's a good wrestler.
It is moral inconsistency and hypocrisy on your part, and that's an objective fact.
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Well the morning after SS 2023 (shitshow 2023) can only imagine the convos going on behind closed doors in Iowa city. Gabe’s nonsense can be addressed with some punishing conditioning no biggy, 149 issues are non issues, iron sharpens iron just keep it in the room and settle it on the mat. AJ….. best of luck tnt on how to handle that.
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You don’t pick up on sarcasm very well. You equated what Gabe did to down play what AJ did. I’m saying no comparison. Most ridiculous comment ever, “suspend AJ for a couple games”. AJ is AJ and all the jay sayers need to realize it. Is winning at any cost really that important to you.
Some genuine public contrition could solve most of this but highly unlikely - obviously. AJ doesnt seem currently motivated or capable of managing his emotive behaviors. I dont want this to be true but it is what it is for now. He is far from the only clown in the circus but that doesnt matter either... too bad for Iowa wrestling. I'm very troubled by Gabe's behavior as I has higher levels of respect for him. AJ was always a fantasy 'maybe' but Gabe was supposedly rock solid character wise.🤷♂️ And Im talking the patty cake butt stuff not the flex so much.
I think tolerating, and supporting abhorrent behavior is "the reason we are where we are right now in this country".
That's an uncomfortable truth for many people.
Your opinions don't override the actual rules.
100% agree this isn’t acceptable.
Who is finding this whole thing more funny this morning - Cael Sanderson or John Smith?
I think we should all be thanking the Ferrari family for blessing Iowa wrestling with there presence. We are the lucky ones. They didn’t do nothing to deserve how the Iowa fans and fellow Iowa teammates treated them this weekend. Shame on Rathjen and Glazier for there match behavior and antics provoking Anthony and AJ to respond. If you ask me all Iowa staff should be terminated and let Daddy Ferrari run this ship. They are our only hope.
Totally kidding above
On a serious note. I just don’t see how you move forward with them now even if they want to stay and keep team unity. And I do agree AJ and the dad are the main source of the problems at this point. But they are all clearly a package deal at this point in time in my opinion. Little bro and baby bro need to break free and carve out there own name and path before they ruined before given a chance
Totally kidding above
On a serious note. I just don’t see how you move forward with them now even if they want to stay and keep team unity. And I do agree AJ and the dad are the main source of the problems at this point. But they are all clearly a package deal at this point in time in my opinion. Little bro and baby bro need to break free and carve out there own name and path before they ruined before given a chance
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So, if they take away AJ's points for the dq Iowa still wins the tournament or did they come in 2nd?
AJ isn't an Iowa wrestler but I'm sure you already knew that.
Sorry, woke up, fell out of bed, dragged a comb across my head, grabbed my phone, Yada, Yada, yada but it wasn't a dream after all...
So is blind devotion to a singular stance.
That shit is so passive aggressive, why even say it? Are you 12?
Respectfully disagree here.
Making special accommodations for a problematic few in a group is an almost sure-fire way to lose the respect and attention of the large majority that have been working within the system.
Yup. And to top it off, some here are actually making AJ out to be the victim in what went down last night.
Not a big ****ing deal lol Spencer did this to Drake where was the outrage
In my opinion, AJ is the only one that Iowa needs to separate from. Anthony did nothing wrong to warrant dismissal. Now whether he stays if AJ isn't on the team is another question. Probably won't hear anything from Brands, since he can't comment on AJ since he isn't signed with Iowa.
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I don’t have a problem with the 149 match. A little pushing and shoving is common.I don’t condone it but it is common. No big deal. The flexing? I just got a chuckle out of it.
Didn't love that he flexed all over an injured opponent.
We sure do have some piss and vinegar in late December...let's see what happens on Feb 9.
125 is wide open. The champ will be whoever wins 4 coin-flip matches in a row. Ayala's in the running.
133: Teske with 5-4 win over #33 in the finals. Still has cement feet, gifts every opponent 3 points in the first minute. But it's gonna be Teske and not Schriever, who crapped the bed against #33 after beating #12 Rini 2 weeks ago. Honorable mention to Petersen with a win over Rini.
141: Solid win over #5 McNeil. I feared it would be closer.
149: Not crazy about any of our options here, despite Rathjen's win. He got beat by an unranked guy at Lindenwood, then acts like he won the Olympics at Soldier Salute. Beat Lovett, then you can flex and talk smack. Otherwise it just looks like your highest goal was simply to make the lineup, which is troubling. I continue to believe Ferrari is the better wrestler, but he looked out of shape. Not sure what's up with VV. A lot of potential in all three, but as usual, we have 3 fringe AAs in search of one finalist.
157: Franek is always tough, but a SV win over #18 is more concerning than impressive.
165: Welp, it's gonna be Caliendo. He looked great, and Kennedy didn't look bad either. Kennedy took the loss like a man. Curious to see if he goes up or sits.
174: Arnold is gonna be a great one, but he's gotta start scoring more than one takedown per match, and clean up the extracurriculars. And way too excited after beating #13 in OT, following a close win over an unranked guy with a losing record.
184: Pass
197: AJ looked like an out-of-shape Mack truck. So much horsepower, but no set-ups, crappy reaching shots, and little urgency. He beat Glazier twice, once in regulation and once in OT but still managed to lose by being a d*ck. That's going to be the story of his life, btw: pissing it away by being a d*ck. Glazier is solid, but not going to score any points at NCAAs. Let's see what Brands does.
285: Pass
Overall, some excellent wrestling. The tournament is improving. I was entertained.
Not sure Brands can even discuss either AJ or Anthony because neither are officially on the team. The SID probably told reporters that before the questions could be asked.
What is the blind devotion that you're referring to? I see a lot of blind devotion and it's not coming from me.
AJ not being signed absolutely does not mean that Brands can't comment on it.
It was the punch that got him DQ’ed. stop muddying the water with any other comparison.
Being a boot licker has nothing to do with my opinion.
And yes, he should have different guidelines due to his history. It’s ridiculous you are even asking that question. It has nothing to do with whether I like him or not. 🤦
What’s the history of this player? First offense? Any other offenses? Look up Antonio Brown and let us know how he was handled. That’s the parallel.
And by the way, to be fair to all (including you), my guess is that yesterday won’t be a deal breaker at Iowa unless AJ continues to handle himself poorly in the aftermath.
Claiming AJ just pushed might be the most idiotic thing I’ve read on this board in the last 18 hours. Impressive stuff.
Ironside is beloved because he yells and screams and says stuff like Gol Darn and wizard... and because he's a relic of Gable's golden era.
However, he's not a great broadcaster and is severely lacking in knowledge of the national landscape.
He's no Gary Dolphin, but even close. But he could be better at what he does.
Why wouldn't they be able to discuss the opponent of their wrestler throwing a slap at him and then flipping off the entire arena at their home tournament. And that opponent is a prospective recruit who just took an official visit. How is that an off limits topic just because he isn't on the team? If an ISU wrestler did that against Glazier, brands could comment on it. I don't get the excuse. In my opinion, it's Brand's responsibility to address what happened to reporters/the public.
This is damning. Shows a complete lack of interest in the job. Zero homework done.
I stand by my earlier statement. And I love Mark and buy stuff from his store all the time.
Glad you agree with @A Fist Full of Hawkeyes too!
Pushing a guy’s head down after the match was a fraction of the overall spectacle he put on last night. Gimme a break man! If that was all that happened, it wouldn’t have been as big of a deal. Spencer Lee demonstrated class his entire career at Iowa. Ferrari has a shady past and showed last night he has zero class and that is not even including him pushing Glazier’s head down. If you can’t see this, I can’t help you.
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