100% On Topic and Civil Thread on AJ Ferrari's Wrestling Future

[ChiPackHawk]

Are you talking about the Trump Foundation and Trump University which both found guilty of fraud? If not what foundations have been convicted of fraud?

No - I'm specifically referring to the Clinton Foundation which has been exposed as a front. Note how donations plummeted after she lost the election. Why did the donations stop? I am also referring to someone like Biden and Pelosi who have accumulated generational wealth. Biden has had no other job other than as a public servant and did not come from wealth - yet look at him? Pelosi - insider trading makes it pretty hard to lose on a hunch. Biden has been found to have around 20 shell companies - for what? His "famiy" has been tied to approximatley 200 suspicious banking activities. Wonder if you have ever heard the fire the Ukrainian prosecutor speech - "well son of a bitch." The definition of quid pro quo. 10% to the Big Guy - hmmm?

Don't assume the lack of convictions had or has anything to do with a lack of guilt. That seems to be a correlation that is assumed with Trump , but not the before mentioned. Maybe take a look at who held the positions of authority to act on these actions.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

I'd be in favor of a mod implementing a policy to move all purely political discussion to an off topic thread.

Why? This topic/thread has already been obliterated. Just keep it here and leave the other threads alone.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Michael is Don Corleone at that point.

Don is a title, not a name.

Michael is Don Corleone at that point.

Don is a title, not a name.

While technically correct, at that point in the movie and book he is far more known as "Michael" and the "Don" was Vito. But it is hardly something I care to debate any further.

 

[jneffer]

No - I'm specifically referring to the Clinton Foundation which has been exposed as a front. Note how donations plummeted after she lost the election. Why did the donations stop? I am also referring to someone like Biden and Pelosi who have accumulated generational wealth. Biden has had no other job other than as a public servant and did not come from wealth - yet look at him? Pelosi - insider trading makes it pretty hard to lose on a hunch. Biden has been found to have around 20 shell companies - for what? His "famiy" has been tied to approximatley 200 suspicious banking activities. Wonder if you have ever heard the fire the Ukrainian prosecutor speech - "well son of a bitch." The definition of quid pro quo. 10% to the Big Guy - hmmm?

Don't assume the lack of convictions had or has anything to do with a lack of guilt. That seems to be a correlation that is assumed with Trump , but not the before mentioned. Maybe take a look at who held the positions of authority to act on these actions.

i look forward to your next lecture on the importance of our constitution.

and this is why the actual prosecutions never happen. GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT is a lot easier stomach if you can avoid ever having to try to PROVE someone's guilt. you can just hide behind a shadow conspiracy as the source of all injustice

 

[ChiPackHawk]

i look forward to your next lecture on the importance of our constitution.

and this is why the actual prosecutions never happen. GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT is a lot easier stomach if you can avoid ever having to try to PROVE someone's guilt. you can just hide behind a shadow conspiracy as the source of all injustice

Where did I give a lecture on the Constitution or is this another figment of your imagination? Be very specific where I gave such a lecture.

What conspiracy theories are you referring to? Pretty sure what I referred to in my comments are readily accepted. But I guess actual audio and whistleblowers aren't to be believed when it doesn't fit your narrative?

 

[jneffer]

Where did I give a lecture on the Constitution or is this another figment of your imagination? Be very specific where I gave such a lecture.

What conspiracy theories are you referring to? Pretty sure what I referred to in my comments are readily accepted. But I guess actual audio and whistleblowers aren't to be believed when it doesn't fit your narrative?

the conspiracy i'm referring to is the one in which no trump opponents can ever be prosecuted for any other their obvious and very provable criminal actions, despite the fact that trump was the head of the executive branch for 4 years

obivously, those people are being protected by some secret group that has now spanned multiple administrations (including trump's), right? that's what you're saying, isn't it?

 

[T8KUDWN]

Really trying to not post on the political side of this thread, but after reading the comments here page after page I do believe TDS is a real thing.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Clinton Foundation

Biden and Pelosi

Not sure if it might surprise some, but:

• I have never voted for Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi (not a CA resident) in either a primary or general election.
• I would've never voted for Joe Biden in a primary or general election had Barack Obama not chosen him as VP or he not been the candidate against Trump in 2020.

I didn't want Joe Biden as either VP or the 2020 Democratic nominee. All I can do is cast my vote then accept the results as the will of the people. I'll do the same in 2024.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

LMFAO, great deflection. You have NOT listed any radical political views. All you are calling a cult is that they give unwavering support to Trump because they believe the election was stolen and, more importantly, they 100% believe he believes it was stolen. That has NOTHING to do with cultish political views. Now, where I will admit cult behavior is how blindly and unwavering most of the are with following him and basically every word he says. Many admittedly do not think for themselves.

Mind you, to be clear, I DO NOT believe the election was stolen. However, our fundamental difference between all this stems from my belief that Trump ABSOLUTELY BELIEVED 100% that it was stolen. That belief is the core part that decides whether or not he committed any insurrection, sedition, etc. Because, if that actually were true, it means the statements had no seditious or treasonous intent and ALL he was doing was asking/begging/pleading for people, including the people in power like Pence or the Georgia contingent, to do what was in their power to stop the fraud and investigate to prove he was correct.

With that said, I do think he was wrong, although things were done right before the election that I didn't agree with to change voting rules and regulations, I DO NOT believe a conspiracy was remotely possible at the national level to fabricate hundreds of thousands of votes to steal an election.

Just remember, you are trying to argue how the law is supposed to be applied with people who expect the law to be applied the way they think it should.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Not sure if it might surprise some, but:

• I have never voted for Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi (not a CA resident) in either a primary or general election.
• I would've never voted for Joe Biden in a primary or general election had Barack Obama not chosen him as VP or he not been the candidate against Trump in 2020.

I didn't want Joe Biden as either VP or the 2020 Democratic nominee. All I can do is cast my vote then accept the results as the will of the people. I'll do the same in 2024.

Not sure why you chose to use my comments, but I would be more concerned if you chose to vote for Biden again, than when you did in 2020.

 

[el dub]

Doesn't mean anything. He has his own case. It doesn't help him, but it doesn't hurt him either.

RICO cases are known for getting co-conspirators to roll over and testify against those higher up the food chain. It means there will be members of the inner circle of seditionists potentially testifying against Trump. Btw, these types of deals are usually made only after a co-conspirator divulges information to prosecutors that is deemed worthy of reducing charges for the person in question.

 

[jmadden1998]

RICO cases are known for getting co-conspirators to roll over and testify against those higher up the food chain. It means there will be members of the inner circle of seditionists potentially testifying against Trump. Btw, these types of deals are usually made only after a co-conspirator divulges information to prosecutors that is deemed worthy of reducing charges for the person in question.

My 3 favorite Rico’s

1. Rico Chiapparelli
2. Uncle Rico
3. Rico Suave.

 

[Sharky1203]

RICO cases are known for getting co-conspirators to roll over and testify against those higher up the food chain. It means there will be members of the inner circle of seditionists potentially testifying against Trump. Btw, these types of deals are usually made only after a co-conspirator divulges information to prosecutors that is deemed worthy of reducing charges for the person in question.

100% correct. Doesn't mean she will sit on the stand. Thanks, el dub. We may never know what she gave for information, could be against one of the other co-conspirators, if they seal the case.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

If you are going to argue with me, keep it to what I have said.

the conspiracy i'm referring to is the one in which no trump opponents can ever be prosecuted for any other their obvious and very provable criminal actions, despite the fact that trump was the head of the executive branch for 4 years

obivously, those people are being protected by some secret group that has now spanned multiple administrations (including trump's), right? that's what you're saying, isn't it?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Not sure why you chose to use my comments, but I would be more concerned if you chose to vote for Biden again, than when you did in 2020.

Have to see who the candidates are in the primary and general election.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Rico Petrocelli

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Really trying to not post on the political side of this thread, but after reading the comments here page after page I do believe TDS is a real thing.

Absolutely it is. Anyone still supporting Trump in 2023 has a serious case of TDS. Cult.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Puerto Rico 🇵🇷

 

[jneffer]

If you are going to argue with me, keep it to what I have said.

your paragraph that begins with "don't assume...", you are saying that the lack of convictions from all the accusations we've heard for the past 2 decades has more to do with who was in charge of getting those convictions than whether the accused were guilty or not. yes?

and since trump appointed or empowered at least some of those people, that would seem to indicate some secret movement or agreement among a group of people to not ever pursue convictions (which they seemingly would clearly and easily get according to you) against the above reference accused.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Not sure why you chose to use my comments, but I would be more concerned if you chose to vote for Biden again, than when you did in 2020.

I'd be more concerned if you chose to vote for Trump again, than when you did in 2016.

The 2024 presidential vote will be the easiest vote to make in our lifetimes and that isn't because Biden is an amazing candidate.

 

[jmadden1998]

I'd be more concerned if you chose to vote for Trump again, than when you did in 2016.

The 2024 presidential vote will be the easiest vote to make in our lifetimes and that isn't because Biden is an amazing candidate.

Ron Desantis?

 

[jneffer]

Ron Desantis?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Anyone still supporting Trump in 2023 has a serious case of TDS.

Here I thought TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), real or not, referred to anti-Trumpers who can't help but be triggered by anything Trump.

Trump derangement syndrome - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

I would be more concerned if you chose to vote for Biden again, than when you did in 2020

Agreed

I'd be more concerned if you chose to vote for Trump again, than when you did in 2016

Agreed.

I guess it's all relative and all are entitled to their own level-of-concern measurement system.

 

[MAGAman]

Yeah, you're a delusional nutjob so of course you'd gamble your net worth away without knowing anything about my personal life.

You think I'm an unemployed green haired pothead. I'll go ahead and assume you live in a trailer in the backwoods with 6 junker cars on your property, are morbidly obese, married to your second cousin, and on a bunch of heart and stroke meds, and collect disability.

See how this works. 🙄

Only difference is you dont believe that. However my description of you probably overshot your situation.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Here I thought TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), real or not, referred to anti-Trumpers who can't help but be triggered by anything Trump.

Trump derangement syndrome - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's one definition/interpretation, but I (and many others) think a more appropriate definition is the ardent Trump supporters who will defend him and stick by his side despite all of his crimes, and generally atrocious behavior.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Agreed

Agreed.

I guess it's all relative and all are entitled to their own level-of-concern measurement system.

You agree that given the choice between Biden and Trump (let's just assume those are the options for sake of argument), it'd be more concerning to vote for Biden in 2024 after Trump has shown how he responds to an election loss and attempts to overthrow democracy and is criminally indicted than in 2020?

I don't follow that conclusion.

 

[T8KUDWN]

That's one definition/interpretation, but I (and many others) think a more appropriate definition is the ardent Trump supporters who will defend him and stick by his side despite all of his crimes, and generally atrocious behavior.

So, you made up your own definition lol

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

So, you made up your own definition lol

From that Wikipedia source:

Political analyst John Avlon uses the term using a more generalized sense inclusive of positive emotions as well as hatred towards Trump, so that for example, TDS accounts for denialism about Trump's defeat in the 2020 election, as a "political diagnosis" of people who "simply can’t accept the fact that he lost the election."[15][16]

This new definition derogatorily describing the nature of Trump followers rather than his deriders has been picked up by others and widely used.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23]


As I said, many others agree that TDS is the nutjobs who still stand in support of Trump today despite it being overwhelmingly clear that he is an atrocious man who has attacked our democracy like no other president.

 

[Sharky1203]

My 3 favorite Rico’s

1. Rico Chiapparelli
2. Uncle Rico
3. Rico Suave.

Chiapparelli was sure fun to watch wrestle and damn good too. He had one hell of a good MMA training place also, not sure if it's still in operation or not.

 

[T8KUDWN]

From that Wikipedia source:

Political analyst John Avlon uses the term using a more generalized sense inclusive of positive emotions as well as hatred towards Trump, so that for example, TDS accounts for denialism about Trump's defeat in the 2020 election, as a "political diagnosis" of people who "simply can’t accept the fact that he lost the election."[15][16]

This new definition derogatorily describing the nature of Trump followers rather than his deriders has been picked up by others and widely used.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23]


As I said, many others agree that TDS is the nutjobs who still stand in support of Trump today despite it being overwhelmingly clear that he is an atrocious man who has attacked our democracy like no other president.

Shocker, John Avlon and CNN changed the definition and those in the CNN cult jumped on board with it.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

You agree that given the choice between Biden and Trump (let's just assume those are the options for sake of argument), it'd be more concerning to vote for Biden in 2024 after Trump has shown how he responds to an election loss and attempts to overthrow democracy and is criminally indicted than in 2020?

I don't follow that conclusion.

I agreed that each individual totally personal relative concern (Biden in 2020 or Trump in 2016) could reasonably be less than Biden or Trump in 2024.

My statements of agreement did not presume either one would be their party's nominee or that both would be and they'd face head to head in 2024.

I have previously indicated I personally will never vote for Trump.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Shocker, John Avlon and CNN changed the definition and those in the CNN cult jumped on board with it.

I literally have no idea who John Avalon is and I don't watch CNN, but it's very clear to me that TDS is the appropriate term for current Trump supporters.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I literally have no idea who John Avalon is and I don't watch CNN, but it's very clear to me that TDS is the appropriate term for current Trump supporters.

So, you referenced someone you have no idea who they are??

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

So, you referenced someone you have no idea who they are??

I referenced the Wikipedia article which was the original link in this thread regarding the definition of TDS. You should just stay on the sidelines. You're out of your depth.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Chiapparelli was sure fun to watch wrestle and damn good too. He had one hell of a good MMA training place also, not sure if it's still in operation or not.

I used to train there when it was called RAW (Real American Wrestling) then in became R1 training center and it’s been closed down for a bit. Rico was great to work with as was Chad Zaputil. As a Hawk fan I was in heaven.

 

[Arbor1]

From that Wikipedia source:

Political analyst John Avlon uses the term using a more generalized sense inclusive of positive emotions as well as hatred towards Trump, so that for example, TDS accounts for denialism about Trump's defeat in the 2020 election, as a "political diagnosis" of people who "simply can’t accept the fact that he lost the election."[15][16]

This new definition derogatorily describing the nature of Trump followers rather than his deriders has been picked up by others and widely used.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23]


As I said, many others agree that TDS is the nutjobs who still stand in support of Trump today despite it being overwhelmingly clear that he is an atrocious man who has attacked our democracy like no other president.

Its so damn fun watching you spend your entire life trolling these boards with Trump nonsense. The irony of your ineptitude does match upwell with cagey Joe so there is that consistency. What a life!!!

 

[so cal hawkfan]

I'd be in favor of a mod implementing a policy to move all purely political discussion to an off topic thread.

Vodka, bro if you didn’t post politics you’d pretty much be a mute on this board.

 

[Sharky1203]

I used to train there when it was called RAW (Real American Wrestling) then in became R1 training center and it’s been closed down for a bit. Rico was great to work with as was Chad Zaputil. As a Hawk fan I was in heaven.

God, I guess. that's like being star struck every time you trained... or at least it would've been for me.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I referenced the Wikipedia article which was the original link in this thread regarding the definition of TDS. You should just stay on the sidelines. You're out of your depth.

Wikipedia article that referenced John Avlon who made up or altered an existing definition.
Do whatever you have to, to fit your narrative.
Dude I'll take you to deep waters and watch you sink.