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[Ihawkd9times]

While this class may lack a possible Gwiz-Snyder or Imart- Nolf, and lack the big four of the 125 class, IMO this is going to be hands down the best weight class for matchups over the course of the 6 sessions.

There are just so many battles to be had in the 2nd round of this class its going to be epic. No other class is going to be this insane on Thursday night or Friday morning.

Like 15 dudes could AA. This class is going to get after way before the others will. Anyone else think this is the most intriguing weight class to watch?

 

[crablegs1]

I agree with you. Other than Dean, this weight doesn't really have much firepower and I think most other weights (with the exception of 141) have better top tier talent. However, the 2nd round at this weight should be very exciting. It is going to be a blood bath.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Without a doubt. The weight class is loaded. Hope Brooks has his A game because he can beat anyone in the bracket and lose to about half of the guys.

If I had to guess which one seed would be most likely to not AA my pick would be Dean. Wrestle backs are going to be a bear.

 

[goiahawkeyes]

For sure. It's going to be great to watch. There could be 4-5 different champs if they wrestled this bracket 10 times. Dean is the favorite but his road is no cupcake, likely facing Dechow, McCutcheon, Boyd/Miller, Abounader/Zavatsky just to get to the finals.

If Sammy can just wrestle like he did last weekend I don't see why he wouldn't be in the finals. This is the epitome of "one match at a time".

 

[WrassleUSA]

133 is as weak a weight as any.

 

[SPOONER]

133 is as weak a weight as any.

Is it? You have the defending champ and runner up returning and neither are even the top seed. And Garrett is a 3 time AA, and Taylor, Hall and Conaway are all AAs. Then, you throw in Zane Richards.

That's 6 all-Americans, an NCAA camp and two runners up at the weight.

Is that as weak of a weight as any?

 

[WrassleUSA]

Is it? You have the defending champ and runner up returning and neither are even the top seed. And Garrett is a 3 time AA, and Taylor, Hall and Conaway are all AAs. Then, you throw in Zane Richards.

That's 6 all-Americans, an NCAA camp and two runners up at the weight.

Is that as weak of a weight as any?

Yes. Why does the 5th place 133 All American Gulibon go up to 141 and become unseeded and the 5th ranked All American 125 Garrett move up to 133 and become top dog? How many top international medalists are at 133? 125 has Gilman and 141 has McKenna.

Other than Hwt and maybe 197, you probably have fewer 133 rostered wrestlers so a narrower pool to draw talent from. Just my opinion, but I am not that impressed with 133.

 

[crablegs1]

Yes. Why does the 5th place 133 All American Gulibon go up to 141 and become unseeded and the 5th ranked All American 125 Garrett move up to 133 and become top dog? How many top international medalists are at 133? 125 has Gilman and 141 has McKenna.

Other than Hwt and maybe 197, you probably have fewer 133 rostered wrestlers so a narrower pool to draw talent from. Just my opinion, but I am not that impressed with 133.

Didn't the #4 seed at 133 beat the consensus #1 at 141? I think 141 is the weakest weight by far.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Because Garrett was sucking too much weight and wasn't as effective at 125. And Gulibon is a small 141 and has trouble finishing on tougher guys. Thought those two were fairly obvious.

 

[SPOONER]

Yes. Why does the 5th place 133 All American Gulibon go up to 141 and become unseeded and the 5th ranked All American 125 Garrett move up to 133 and become top dog? How many top international medalists are at 133? 125 has Gilman and 141 has McKenna.

Other than Hwt and maybe 197, you probably have fewer 133 rostered wrestlers so a narrower pool to draw talent from. Just my opinion, but I am not that impressed with 133.

By comparison, the top ranked guy at 141 has a 4th place finish to his credit. The #3 has a 5th. The #4 an 8th. That's it. Yes, there are some quality freshmen in there like McKenna but the list of accomplishments don't come close to measuring up.

 

[WrassleUSA]

I think 141 might be the deepest weight and I still think 133 is pretty weak. Because of how deep 141 is, it is mistakenly thought of as weak. The only way to compare weight classes is to use objective measurements: Look at guys that wrestle two weight classes and see how they do in neighboring weights, how have members of that weight done in international performance and look at the opens, and see which weight class pools are the deepest in terms of participants. Based on that criteria, 141 is a pretty strong weight.

 

[crablegs1]

Why are you ignoring the direct comparison from this year when the #4 133 pounder this year beat the #1 at 141?

 

[Stanley75]

133 is as weak a weight as any.

There are actually quite few good wrestlers a 133. I realize none of which are in Zane's linear. But with Zane on another level, it still should be quite a battle for second place.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

I think 141 is the weakest weight by far.

I agree and I don't think its even debatable. Even the top 2 Heil and McKenna are a bit boring to watch unless you like 4-2 matches.

My point on 184 is I think if they wrestled the same tourney 10 times. Dean would be in the finals like 8-9 out of the 10, but I think we may have 10 different finalist facing him.

 

[WrassleUSA]

Clark would get destroyed at 141.

 

[SPOONER]

I think 141 might be the deepest weight and I still think 133 is pretty weak. Because of how deep 141 is, it is mistakenly thought of as weak. The only way to compare weight classes is to use objective measurements: Look at guys that wrestle two weight classes and see how they do in neighboring weights, how have members of that weight done in international performance and look at the opens, and see which weight class pools are the deepest in terms of participants. Based on that criteria, 141 is a pretty strong weight.

Do you mean like when the 4 seed at 133 beat the top seed at 141...THIS year?

 

[WrassleUSA]

I agree and I don't think its even debatable. Even the top 2 Heil and McKenna are a bit boring to watch unless you like 4-2 matches.

My point on 184 is I think if they wrestled the same tourney 10 times. Dean would be in the finals like 8-9 out of the 10, but I think we may have 10 different finalist facing him.

141 doesn't have a dominant guy like Stieber this year, but has a lot of good wrestlers. 141 has no decisive NC so if that's your criteria for weak, I'd agree. But I think the weight class is as deep as any and I view that as a sign of strength.

 

[SPOONER]

141 doesn't have a dominant guy like Stieber this year, but has a lot of good wrestlers. 141 has no decisive NC so if that's your criteria for weak, I'd agree. But I think the weight class is as deep as any and I view that as a sign of strength.

My criteria is wrestling accomplishments. So is everyone else's.

I still can't figure out what yours is. You have the 4 seed at 133 beating the 1 seed at 141 this season and you still claim it is tougher.

 

[WrassleUSA]

Do you mean like when the 4 seed at 133 beat the top seed at 141...THIS year?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Heil only lost to Ward, a 141 guy.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Im not sure 141 has a lot of good wrestlers, I think its so watered down that average guys seem good.
Lets not forget how good Jevas record at 141 was last year. Do you consider Jeva was a really good wrestler? I guess I don't. 141 has been hurting for a few years and Stieber overshadowed it with his greatness. Wasn't too long ago when a 133 Ramos beat a 141 Carter.

133 has a lot more elite wrestlers than 141 even can dream about at this year.

 

[WrassleUSA]

My criteria is wrestling accomplishments. So is everyone else's.

I still can't figure out what yours is. You have the 4 seed at 133 beating the 1 seed at 141 this season and you still claim it is tougher.

That's not true at all. Heil hasn't lost to a 133 guy this year. My opinion is 133 is weaker than 141. We can agree to disagree. That's fine.

 

[WrassleUSA]

Im not sure 141 has a lot of good wrestlers, I think its so watered down that average guys seem good.
Lets not forget how good Jevas record at 141 was last year. Do you consider Jeva was a really good wrestler? I guess I don't. 141 has been hurting for a few years and Stieber overshadowed it with his greatness. Wasn't too long ago when a 133 Ramos beat a 141 Carter.

133 has a lot more elite wrestlers than 141 even can dream about at this year.

Elite? LOL I am not impressed with 133. I think its very overrated and 141 is very underrated. There is no depth at 133. Take out the top 10-12 wrestlers at the weight and the weight is very weak.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Agree to disagree I guess. I don't see how anyone can think 141 is better than 133 unless your cousin is Anthony Ashnault.

 

[JohnBasedow]

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestlin...llo-Brewer-win-bouts-at-NWCA-All-Star-Classic

Brewer beat Heil 11-10 in the NWCA Classic.

 

[WrassleUSA]

141 is a meatgrinder and 133 is almost a shoein for the top 4 guys. Clark, Garrett, Richards and Brewer will probably waltz into the semis without much trouble. 133 has virtually no depth to it.

 

[WrassleUSA]

The weight class that had the most division I wrestlers was 141. Source: Wrestlestat. 141 had 289 wrestlers. 133 had 222 wrestlers. There is a deeper pool of wrestlers at 141 than any other weight.

 

[WrassleUSA]

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestlin...llo-Brewer-win-bouts-at-NWCA-All-Star-Classic

Brewer beat Heil 11-10 in the NWCA Classic.

Thanks. This result wasn't in WrestleStat so I wasn't aware of it. I think the top 12 guys at 141 are all pretty much in the same tier and I don't think Heil will even be in the finals.

 

[YoungGun07]

Wrassle- You are confusing parity with mediocrity.

 

[WrassleUSA]

184 by the way has the fewest Division I wrestlers at 204.

 

[WrassleUSA]

Wrassle- You are confusing parity with mediocrity.

141 has more than their share of top 10 ranked recruits in the past 5 years (the average would be 5 (50 /10) but they have 8). McKenna, Chishko, Micah Jordan, Gullibon, Ashnault, Kolodzik, Mark Grey, Meeks were all top 10 recruits in the past 5 years.

I believe 133 has just two: Mason Beckman and Kaid Brock.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

ok so we finally figured out what really was going on here. High school rankings. Might as well add Thielke to your list and flush it.

 

[SPOONER]

The weight class that had the most division I wrestlers was 141. Source: Wrestlestat. 141 had 289 wrestlers. 133 had 222 wrestlers. There is a deeper pool of wrestlers at 141 than any other weight.

Elite? LOL I am not impressed with 133. I think its very overrated and 141 is very underrated. There is no depth at 133. Take out the top 10-12 wrestlers at the weight and the weight is very weak.

Who cares about the 289th guy in D1? Most of those wrestlers are substandard in quality. And only 33 make the NCAAs, anyway. Analyzing the weight by removing all of the good wrestlers is just plain awful. "Yeah once you take out a champ and a bunch of AAs not much is left." No crap? You seem to think that having a lot of guys close in ability means depth. It doesn't if their skill set isn't top notch. Again, the #4 guy at 133 beat the #1 seed at 141 this year.

To win 133, you have to beat out the defending champ, a couple of runners up, and 4 other all-Americans. You have to beat two 3-time AAs and a two-time AA. There are two wrestlers in the field at 133 with as much or more collegiate accolades than the entire field at 141 put together.

 

[tigerpride_32]

Do you mean like when the 4 seed at 133 beat the top seed at 141...THIS year?

He seems to like to ignore DIRECT results and common sense. At 133 you have 3 people who have wrestled on saturday night, at 141 you don't have any.

 

[crablegs1]

Wrassle- You are confusing parity with mediocrity.

This is exactly what is happening.

141 is a meatgrinder and 133 is almost a shoein for the top 4 guys. Clark, Garrett, Richards and Brewer will probably waltz into the semis without much trouble. 133 has virtually no depth to it.

Most of us think 133 is tougher because those 4 are better than anyone at 141. The reason 141 is a meatgrinder is because no one in that weight stands out as being that great. However, there are a lot of guys that are just good.

I think if you moved the 5-8 ranked guys at 133 to 141 they are in the discussion for a national title. Whereas the top 4 at 133 would all likely be the favorite at 141.

 

[letsgohawks44]

141 has more than their share of top 10 ranked recruits in the past 5 years (the average would be 5 (50 /10) but they have 8). McKenna, Chishko, Micah Jordan, Gullibon, Ashnault, Kolodzik, Mark Grey, Meeks were all top 10 recruits in the past 5 years.

I believe 133 has just two: Mason Beckman and Kaid Brock.

Are you on a bender or just trolling? You included 2 guys who have underperformed and some true/rs freshman. Their high school rankings don't mean anything.

 

[anon_hc7hkvtk15hp5]

Back to the original topic, IAWrestle posted their predictions for finalist at each weight and a good majority had picked Stauffer of ASU, with one even picking him to win. Since I mainly see BIG results and schools BIG teams wrestle, I had to go look him up. Most of the coaches polls had him in the 8-10 range and nobody else from the PAC 12 in the top 20. It backs it up that it's anyone's weight, but also shows the BIG was already that way and Sammy's mullet came through that well. If he keeps his focus he had, he really should be in the finals. Will be a lot of fun to watch.

 

[WrassleUSA]

Dan Neff would think 141 is a tough weight class. He was 7-8 at 141 and he's 19-0 at 149 this year.

 

[WrassleUSA]

Dan Neff would think 141 is a tough weight class. He was 7-8 at 141 and he's 19-0 at 149 this year.

This is exactly what is happening.


Most of us think 133 is tougher because those 4 are better than anyone at 141. The reason 141 is a meatgrinder is because no one in that weight stands out as being that great. However, there are a lot of guys that are just good.

I think if you moved the 5-8 ranked guys at 133 to 141 they are in the discussion for a national title. Whereas the top 4 at 133 would all likely be the favorite at 141.

I completely disagree. Cory Clark would not All American if he was at 141. He would get outmuscled.

 

[MSU158]

The top 5 at 133 are as good as any weight PERIOD. Garrett, Brewer, Clark, Richards and Taylor are absolute studs. However, the weight takes a significant dip after that. Beckman and Hall have had subpar performances relative to expectations. DiCamillo is solid, but not someone you would expect to be a top 6 guy at 133. I kept arguing that Conaway wasn't big enough to find his way to the podium at 133, but he may sneak on because McGuire, Montoya, DiJulius, Forys, Deutsch, Alexander and Kraisser are the kind of guy he will be fighting against to get to that 7th/8th match. 133 has significantly higher end talent, but is much weaker than 141 in the 7th-20th range!

 

[letsgohawks44]

I completely disagree. Cory Clark would not All American if he was at 141. He would get outmuscled.

Yeah that's what happens when you wrestle up a weight class. That doesn't mean they're better wrestlers.