2 deeps this fall

[karnack1955]

He wasn't "trashing him". He said he wan't a starter most of the year. You said he was. You were wrong. Now your moving the argument, again, which seems to be you deal......

no I am simply saying he started more than 10 games. its laughable to even suggest that number considering what he did and ended up a FR AA to boot.

Rebraca was not a good rebounder his first year. Part of it is opportunity, Kris was sucking up a lot of rebounds. Point being, no reason why Krikke, Sandfort and even PMac can’t improve their rebounding numbers.

in Rebraca's 1st season he avg 5.6 rpg while Keagon as a 1st year starter avg'd 8.7 rpg. even FR AA White avg'd 5.7 rpg, to me Rebraca did pretty good job of rebounding.
to add to this Kris avg'd 7.9 rpg vs Keagon avg'd 8.7 rpg. not exactly sucking up the rebounds as you put it and Kris was only 6'8 and 220 lbs. vs his brother who was 6'9 225 lbs

Krikke is 6'9 235 lbs and will be a 5th year SR. then there is Dembele who is 6'9 250 lbs 1 inch taller, 30 lbs heavier and a 4* coming out of HS, those give me the confidence that he will do just fine at the 4, 4* Cook was 6'9 235 lbs so he is the biggest true PF since Reggie Evans and if you happen to be old enough to remember RE you would know he was a beast in rebounding something this team needs.

 

[Steamboat529529]

What is this constant deal from you about posters "hating" on Frans recruits? Why do you make this shit up? Nobody is hating on them. Your making a supposition that because they put up good numbers in high school that correlates to their doing that next year. Those are NOT facts. There your hopes and nothing more then that at this point, not knowing how they adjust to B1G level play or how much they will actually play. As for Krikke again, no one is hating on the guy, or saying Fran screwed up, just another of your baseless narratives. It still remains to be seen, just as Rebraca went from being an all conference performer in his lower league to averaging 5 points and 5 boards his first season at Iowa. It was an adjustment, and he stepped up big time last season.

I agree. The step up from the MVC to Big Ten ball is one thing. Expecting true freshman, outside maybe like five star/top 50 recruits, to step into any average or above big ten team and start/star right away is another. It obviously does happen, but shouldn’t expect it.

 

[karnack1955]

why do you hate on Fran's new recruits so much. when you look at Fran's past recruits he did not bring in 1 n done recruit but the ones he did did just fine in rebounding

 

[kceasthawk]

why do you hate on Fran's new recruits so much. when you look at Fran's past recruits he did not bring in 1 n done recruit but the ones he did did just fine in rebounding

Okay. Obviously your just trolling to continue the argument. NO one here has been hating any players and yet you've posted that a half dozen times. Just stop making crap up.....

 

[karnack1955]

Nunge started the last 15 games all against BT teams and he ended up with these for stats
15.7 mpg, 5.7 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 21 steals and 25 blocks
Garza as a FR starter had these for stats
21.7 mpg, 12.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 211 total rebounds, 11 steals and 32 blocks.

the stats I post are taken directly from the stat book so they are not crap as you so lamely put it.

 

[karnack1955]

tp ,many Freshman have started for Fran had success from the 1st day they stepped on campus and played their1st game.

so stop acting like these FR haven't succeeded under Fran,

 

[Tylerl_28]

This site is much more bearable when you are wheeled off to bed for the night.

 

[karnack1955]

Fine. I love how you make assumptions about people you don't know at all with your "its obvious you've never done this, or don't know that", lol. So your putting out there that Pat is still dealing with cancer still ? Really? Where do you get that from? Also putting weight on, really isn't the issue all by itself. He has put on at least 30 pounds since his first year. He's just not a player with a physical mindset. If thats due to his cancer earlier, or what I don't know, but you can see it in his play. I hope he has an All american year, but I don't see it happening. Is that so hard for you to understand?

you have never dealt with cancer, cancer NEVER leaves your body like you try to make out to be.

why don't you take your expertise to the Hospital in IC and tell all those kids dealing with cancer that will all get cured and will live a normal life rather than just hoping/praying that they will just live another day.

 

[BirdistheWord]

the ship is not tilting like you are making out to be

okay, I welcome additional thoughts but I dont believe I am going out on a limb saying Saucy is very inconsistent. He definitely has an edge to his game that we desperately need, but he needs to raise his floor this year for sure.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

no I am simply saying he started more than 10 games. its laughable to even suggest that number considering what he did and ended up a FR AA to boot.

in Rebraca's 1st season he avg 5.6 rpg while Keagon as a 1st year starter avg'd 8.7 rpg. even FR AA White avg'd 5.7 rpg, to me Rebraca did pretty good job of rebounding.
to add to this Kris avg'd 7.9 rpg vs Keagon avg'd 8.7 rpg. not exactly sucking up the rebounds as you put it and Kris was only 6'8 and 220 lbs. vs his brother who was 6'9 225 lbs

Krikke is 6'9 235 lbs and will be a 5th year SR. then there is Dembele who is 6'9 250 lbs 1 inch taller, 30 lbs heavier and a 4* coming out of HS, those give me the confidence that he will do just fine at the 4, 4* Cook was 6'9 235 lbs so he is the biggest true PF since Reggie Evans and if you happen to be old enough to remember RE you would know he was a beast in rebounding something this team needs.

Not that it is a big deal, but I have heard Fran discuss Dembele several times and he has always referred to him as 6'8". Fran speaks of him as a good prospect, but I don't know if he will have an immediate impact like Tyler Cook did. Cook is a tremendous athlete.

 

[icwesthawk]

Risky to be relying on freshman to provide meaningful minutes and provide an immediate impact. Might get lucky and have one or 2 really contribute but one should not be expecting it, IMHO

 

[karnack1955]

Risky to be relying on freshman to provide meaningful minutes and provide an immediate impact. Might get lucky and have one or 2 really contribute but one should not be expecting it, IMHO

you mean like Dev, White, Gesell, Basabe, Bohannon, Cook avg 5.3 rpg as a FR, Nunge, Pemsl avg 5.0 as a FR, the 2016/17 season had 3 FR starters, and they went 19-15 and 1-1 in the NIT. TO finish the FR starters from 2017 thru the 22-23 season.
Garza, CJ Fredrick 28,7 mpg, 10.2 ppg, 1.9 rbg. hmm looks like he had very little trouble adjusting to the play in the BT, Wieskamp 29.3 mpg, 14.8 ppg. 6.6 rpg, 2nd on the team in these stats not to bad from a top 100 4* FR.
to bad some of you question the abilities of this years top 100 4* player.
Rebraca was not a FR but was a 1st year starter
21.3 mpg, 5.8 ppg, 5.6 rpg,

none of them really struggled with either starting as FR or as a transfer. this years group is bigger. and higher rated

 

[icwesthawk]

you mean like Dev, White, Gesell, Basabe, Bohannon, Cook avg 5.3 rpg as a FR, Nunge, Pemsl avg 5.0 as a FR, the 2016/17 season had 3 FR starters, and they went 19-15 and 1-1 in the NIT. TO finish the FR starters from 2017 thru the 22-23 season.
Garza, CJ Fredrick 28,7 mpg, 10.2 ppg, 1.9 rbg. hmm looks like he had very little trouble adjusting to the play in the BT, Wieskamp 29.3 mpg, 14.8 ppg. 6.6 rpg, 2nd on the team in these stats not to bad from a top 100 4* FR.
to bad some of you question the abilities of this years top 100 4* player.
Rebraca was not a FR but was a 1st year starter
21.3 mpg, 5.8 ppg, 5.6 rpg,

none of them really struggled with either starting as FR or as a transfer. this years group is bigger. and higher rated

Yes, you have it exactly. You list 11 guys that gave us something and it was much needed. Fran has probably brought in 50 or so freshmen over his Iowa career. So, if my math is right, about 20% have contributed enough for you to list them. Don't rely on freshman, it's nice if they can contribute.

 

[karnack1955]

Yes, you have it exactly. You list 11 guys that gave us something and it was much needed. Fran has probably brought in 50 or so freshmen over his Iowa career. So, if my math is right, about 20% have contributed enough for you to list them. Don't rely on freshman, it's nice if they can contribute.

I just listed the most notable, now I can also post the other FR that started. also other than Gesell, Woodbury, Cook and Garza being 4* players. the rest were lowly 3* players. now Fran is bringing in 4* players. its funny how other teams bring in 4* talent and their fans brag them up and yet Iowa fans do nothing but trash the 4* players that Fran brings in. to small not athletic enough, they will get pushed around by these super studs that the other BT teams bring in

 

[karnack1955]

Yes, you have it exactly. You list 11 guys that gave us something and it was much needed. Fran has probably brought in 50 or so freshmen over his Iowa career. So, if my math is right, about 20% have contributed enough for you to list them. Don't rely on freshman, it's nice if they can contribute.

some of those that Iisted ended up multi year starters. they also put up the quality stats so other Freshman couldn't/didn't get the chance to put up the stats you desperately demand these players put up.

 

[icwesthawk]

some of those that Iisted ended up multi year starters. they also put up the quality stats so other Freshman couldn't/didn't get the chance to put up the stats you desperately demand these players put up.

I'm not demanding any quality stats from Freshmen. You seem to want to count on them. Good for you and good for the Hawks if they do perform well. My contention is that one should not count on Freshmen contributing a lot first year, you clearly disagree.

 

[icwesthawk]

I just listed the most notable, now I can also post the other FR that started. also other than Gesell, Woodbury, Cook and Garza being 4* players. the rest were lowly 3* players. now Fran is bringing in 4* players. its funny how other teams bring in 4* talent and their fans brag them up and yet Iowa fans do nothing but trash the 4* players that Fran brings in. to small not athletic enough, they will get pushed around by these super studs that the other BT teams bring in

You are a complete DB. I've never trashed an incoming Freshman and just because I caution relying on them their first year your undies are in a bunch.

 

[karnack1955]

they are 4*'s something that is a 1st in the Fran tenure. the 4 FR make up a 1/3 of the 12 scholarship players

looking at the roster these are the SO's or older
pg SO Bowen
sg SR Perkins backup SO Dix
sf RSSR Patrick backup JR Sanfort
pf nobody
c JR Mulvey
not yet here
RSSR F/C Krikke
JR F/C Brauns

so who do we have to count on other than FR? sorry we only have 2 players with starting time experience. that leaves 3 spots up for new players to fill this Fall.

Mulvey, Bowen, Krikke and Brauns will be battling for a starting spot as of now the only job's.

that is set is Perkins and maybe Patrick.

right now in my opinion the starting 5 until this fall looks like this.
PG/1 Bowen
SG/2 Perkins
SF/3 Patrick
PF/4 Brauns
C/5 Krikke

right now Fran only has 6 returning players and that is fact that can't deny or refute. but I suppose Fran can play these before anybody else
PG/1 Bowen 6'2
SG/2 Perkins 6'4
SG/2/3 Dix
F/3 Sanfort 6'7
F/4 Pat
with Mulvey as the 6th man as according to you we shouldn't/can't count on FR or even transfers from a lowly mid major conference like the MVC.

YUPPERS Fran can no longer identify talent as he only found the Murray twins in the last three years. and nobody else.

 

[BoiseHawk1]

Boys, it’s not looking good.

I absolutely agree. Not a lot of talent in this lineup. Perk will be our leading scorer, but after that...Not a lot of options. Defense and rebounding will again be an issue. We could mask that with a good O in the past.

 

[karnack1955]

I absolutely agree. Not a lot of talent in this lineup. Perk will be our leading scorer, but after that...Not a lot of options. Defense and rebounding will again be an issue. We could mask that with a good O in the past.

you don't remember the 2012 class that was rated #25 by ESPN where Gesell and Woodbury both started with Dev JR started at the 3, Aaron as a SO started at the 4
and May as a SR started as well in Fran's 3rd year.

 

[sb23]

Yes, you have it exactly. You list 11 guys that gave us something and it was much needed. Fran has probably brought in 50 or so freshmen over his Iowa career. So, if my math is right, about 20% have contributed enough for you to list them. Don't rely on freshman, it's nice if they can contribute.

In most years I think there were probably more upperclassmen that were already established at those spots that had Fran’s trust so freshmen or newcomers weren’t needed so didn’t necessarily get a chance to show what they could do. This year we don’t have that luxury so they’ll get their chance

 

[karnack1955]

did the Murray twins get much of a chance as FR?
again there were 11 FR in 13 seasons that stood out on teams that had solid starters or backup from the previous year.

 

[Steamboat529529]

did the Murray twins get much of a chance as FR?
again there were 11 FR in 13 seasons that stood out on teams that had solid starters or backup from the previous year.

Great point. Starting CMac over Keegan at the end of his freshman year really hurt that team’s chances of doing anything in March.

 

[Steamboat529529]

you don't remember the 2012 class that was rated #25 by ESPN where Gesell and Woodbury both started with Dev JR started at the 3, Aaron as a SO started at the 4
and May as a SR started as well in Fran's 3rd year.

Yea. Exactly. Funny how the three freshman (Gesell, Woodbury, Cook) were top 100 guys that had expectations to do things as freshman. The only Rivals top 150 guy in this class is P. Sandfort and I would think just because of his position, it will be hard to play a ton early.

 

[karnack1955]

Great point. Starting CMac over Keegan at the end of his freshman year really hurt that team’s chances of doing anything in March.

you really are a hater as Nunge started over Murray. OMFG why the F*** do you and others always blame the McCaffrey boy's for everything? the Murray's played the 4

while Connor played the as did Pat, just like blaming them for the lack of top recruits. which is pure BS.

 

[Steamboat529529]

you really are a hater as Nunge started over Murray. OMFG why the F*** do you and others always blame the McCaffrey boy's for everything? the Murray's played the 4

while Connor played the as did Pat, just like blaming them for the lack of top recruits. which is pure BS.

Explain to me how Nunge started over Keegan when Nunge didn’t start a game that entire year? 😊
Can’t wait for this answer!
Explain to me how Bohannon, CJ, Joe W, Keegan, and Garza shouldn’t have been the lineup in February and March while you’re at it.

 

[Steamboat529529]

Oregon’s 1 through 3 were 24 for 36 from the field for 63 points in that NCAA tourney game. Iowa’s 1 through 3 were 0 for 8 from the field for zero, ZERO, points.

 

[karnack1955]

Explain to me how Nunge started over Keegan when Nunge didn’t start a game that entire year? 😊
Can’t wait for this answer!
Explain to me how Bohannon, CJ, Joe W, Keegan, and Garza shouldn’t have been the lineup in February and March while you’re at it.

Nunge started the last 15 games after Pemsl started the 1st 18 until he got hurt in the7-18 season.

ahh that must really hurt that I actually know this. also these were Nunge's stats
33 games
15.7 mpg
5.7 ppg
2.8 rpg
21 steals
25 blocks

Pemsl stats
32 games
16.4 mpg
5.7 ppg
4.5 rpg
7 steals
10 blocks

don't know what the F*** or where the F***you came up with your complaint.

 

[Steamboat529529]

Nunge started the last 15 games after Pemsl started the 1st 18 until he got hurt in the7-18 season.

ahh that must really hurt that I actually know this. also these were Nunge's stats
33 games
15.7 mpg
5.7 ppg
2.8 rpg
21 steals
25 blocks

Pemsl stats
32 games
16.4 mpg
5.7 ppg
4.5 rpg
7 steals
10 blocks

don't know what the F*** or where the F***you came up with your complaint.

Well you know when you say “Nunge started over Murray” that would require Nunge to, you know, actually start a game when Murray was on the team!
What were Nunge’s stats as a starter in 20-21???

 

[karnack1955]

Oregon’s 1 through 3 were 24 for 36 from the field for 63 points in that NCAA tourney game. Iowa’s 1 through 3 were 0 for 8 from the field for zero, ZERO, points.

lets look at the 1-3 for Iowa.
starting with Fredrick played 13 minute due to a foot/lower leg injury
Connor was battling hip problems that required dual hip surgery only played 12 minites.
Bohannon had a shoulder injury and only played 19 minutes at the 1 and 2.

Keagon got 24 minutes
off the bench the top 2 iin minutes and points were these
Garza 36 minutes 36 points
Weiskamp 34 minutes 17 points

the only other player that reached dbl figures was Patrick 10 pts in 20 minutes.

 

[karnack1955]

Well you know when you say “Nunge started over Murray” that would require Nunge to, you know, actually start a game when Murray was on the team!
What were Nunge’s stats as a starter in 20-21???

played in 22 games until he had that knee injury
here were is stats
22 games
15.9 mpg
7.1 ppg
5.3 rpg
7 steals
19 blocks

why all the hatred for Nunge all of a sudden?

 

[Steamboat529529]

played in 22 games until he had that knee injury
here were is stats
22 games
15.9 mpg
7.1 ppg
5.3 rpg
7 steals
19 blocks

why all the hatred for Nunge all of a sudden?

No hate for Nunge. He was a great Hawkeye. Why are you hating on Keegan? 😊

 

[karnack1955]

No hate for Nunge. He was a great Hawkeye. Why are you hating on Keegan? 😊

you keep making up lies about Nunge, go away hater/

 

[Steamboat529529]

you keep making up lies about Nunge, go away hater/

I can’t believe Fran started Bohannon ahead of Andre Woolridge when they were at iowa.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

It's funny how the years have shown this same pessimism arises every season. Next year will be a disaster.

Probably aren't going to be much of a rebounding team but otherwise it will look much the same as usual. Score a lot of points, win around 20-22 games and maybe get to the second round.

Predictions: Payton reaches All Big Ten status next season. He can score in almost situation, has a good head for the game and is frequently around the ball. He and Patrick will both pick up their rebounding numbers. Tony will also find consistency and maybe make a jump to first team All Big Ten. A very good freshmen class, probably a bumby start but I think all four will be playing regularly.

Ladji and Owen were both good rebounders. They will help the rebounding by the last 1/3 of the season.

It's not like McC doesn't have a known history. In the last ten years Iowa has had 7 NCAA invites (out of 9 tournaments), would have qualitied in 2020 (so 5 consecutive years of NCAA worthy play), an NIT season and one losing season that kind of came out of the blue and was led by 1 senior and then all freshmen.

Why should this year be different? It might be, but going into it I see some areas of real strength and places where we should be pretty good (PG).

 

[Tylerl_28]

you really are a hater as Nunge started over Murray.

3 things:

1. They were on the team together one season.
2. Nunge started ZERO games that season.
3. You are an idiot.

 

[icwesthawk]

the Murray's played the 4

...and the 2 and the 3 and the 5. Do you even watch Iowa basketball?

 

[karnack1955]

...and the 2 and the 3 and the 5. Do you even watch Iowa basketball?

when did they ever play the 2 and 5. as Perkins or JBo or CJ manned the 2
Garza manned the 5 and last season Rebraca manned the 5 while Pat manned the 3.

you are one of the biggest liars just to start a argument with me.

 

[Tylerl_28]

when did they ever play the 2 and 5. as Perkins or JBo or CJ manned the 2
Garza manned the 5 and last season Rebraca manned the 5 while Pat manned the 3.

you are one of the biggest liars just to start a argument with me.

Why do you hate the Murrays and think the could not play multiple positions?

They were very good players and great people and here you are on this site hating on them.

No way you are a true fan the way you hate on Hawkeye players.

 

[icwesthawk]

when did they ever play the 2 and 5. as Perkins or JBo or CJ manned the 2
Garza manned the 5 and last season Rebraca manned the 5 while Pat manned the 3.

you are one of the biggest liars just to start a argument with me.

You don't think there was a time on the court when the Murray's were playing the 5 position, the 3 position and/or the 2 position? Really? I'll ask again, do you ever watch Iowa basketball? Fran recruits so that guys can interchange and play different positions with different combinations.