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20 % of Democrats will jump to Trump.

What I see are lots of delays in international negotiations. I also don't see him being real capable of handling domestic issues.
Can't handle domestic issues. Don't understand this statement, he loves the vets wants to tax the hedge fund managers and get out finances in order. I think he is a good compromise for both parties.
 
What I see are lots of delays in international negotiations. I also don't see him being real capable of handling domestic issues.

It's not like we're really taking care of those right now. Look, there are a ton of countries out there. If someone doesn't want to deal, then we'll find someone else who will. That's the great thing about having multiple options and why competition f***ing rules!
 
You don't understand, they can't ignore him because they can't ignore the U.S. We are the world's currency. We are the number one consumer on the planet. We have all the power if we want to negotiate from a position of strength.

I certainly agree with most of that except that we have always negotiated from a position of strength and I can't see any changing that unless we fall on our own sword.
 
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I think I'd rather be an ambassador of like Libya or something, under trump rather than Hillary !!
 
Why is he so successful? You bring up 4 bankruptcies based on thousands of transactions. Have you ever owned a business or sucked on a w-2 your whole life? Business is challenging but don't think he got where he is based on luck. He has a tremendous work ethic even and as you can see passed it on to his children. Other countries don't like it because he will bring up points that need negotiated. Does South Korea pay us enough to keep NK in check? He brings up so many items that no other politician does.

So why again are you afraid of him? Because he wants what is best for this country.

I will grant you that I'm not familiar with anybody who has had as much success given little more than access to a lot if powerful people and about 8 million dollars in loans from his father.
 
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Not to mention that rarely does Trump speak the truth. If Hillary or Bernie lies, you have to prove it. Not just your conjecture.

I could easily list 20 proven lies a day by Trump. Trump is just feeding his ego and yours.

So he does know the business of politics.
 
He told you. "Some poll". Totally legit.
There has been some evidence from several posters that his support comes from more than Republicans. As a Republican myself I do not get his allure but his supporters love the confidence and braggadocio. People generally say some thing like he "tells it like it is". I do not get that either.
 
I think Trump appeals to a lot of old blue dog dems. Your typical working class dem is not an eviro or progressive type. This is being overlooked imo.

Wouldn't be crazy if another Clinton won without 50% of the vote!?
I can see this happening. Democrats have gotten further and further left. Leaving these people behind.

They typically vote on economic issues and the Dems have convinced them the Republicans are for the rich and out to shaft them. If the economy stays as the 2nd most important issue or worse. This vote could easily flip to Trump. He will not be seen as your regular Republican by many of them.
 
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I will grant you that I'm not familiar with anybody who has had as much success given little more than access to a lot if powerful people and about 8 million dollars in loans from his father.

He also rose from the dead when the empire was leveraged to the hill. How many people are capable of doing that.
 
There has been some evidence from several posters that his support comes from more than Republicans. As a Republican myself I do not get his allure but his supporters love the confidence and braggadocio. People generally say some thing like he "tells it like it is". I do not get that either.
but he'd be better than hillary
 
Why is he so successful? You bring up 4 bankruptcies based on thousands of transactions. Have you ever owned a business or sucked on a w-2 your whole life? Business is challenging but don't think he got where he is based on luck. He has a tremendous work ethic even and as you can see passed it on to his children. Other countries don't like it because he will bring up points that need negotiated. Does South Korea pay us enough to keep NK in check? He brings up so many items that no other politician does.

So why again are you afraid of him? Because he wants what is best for this country.

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so, we have a guy who follows the rules, the rules he did not make. we have a guy in trump who follows the bankruptcy rules, and that's bad. Hillary and Obama break laws, and that's good. ok.
 
Why is he so successful? You bring up 4 bankruptcies based on thousands of transactions. Have you ever owned a business or sucked on a w-2 your whole life? Business is challenging but don't think he got where he is based on luck. He has a tremendous work ethic even and as you can see passed it on to his children. Other countries don't like it because he will bring up points that need negotiated. Does South Korea pay us enough to keep NK in check? He brings up so many items that no other politician does.

So why again are you afraid of him? Because he wants what is best for this country.

If Trump truly wanted what is best for our country he would think before opening his mouth. And for the life of me I don't understand why rightists think liberals are scared of Trump. Hell, they said the same thing about Sarah Palin - and all we did was laugh at her and make fun of her - and the same goes for Trump.
 
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"And for f sake, America is not broke nor close to it, god I hate people that think that. "

why on earth do you think we did not get single payor or medicare for all? we could not afford it. we got this horrible aca thing, which we can't afford. medicare is broke, the aca is not gonna be funded, this proves it. America is broke.
We are approaching a twenty trillion debt, no prospect of paying it off. When the interest rate goes up, as it certainly will, that will either crowd out other spending or make the deficits much greater. All we have is a giant credit card. And that will not last forever
 
If you have any democratic or independent leaning at all there is no way in hell a person jumps to Trump.
I wouldn't, but anyone who only votes for a major party might not have a choice. Nobody with a shred of integrity could vote for Hillary.
 
Sorry. Not wanting Hillary isn't even close to a good enough reason for me to even consider voting for the embarrassments the GOP are throwing up in the primaries right now.
 
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Sorry. Not wanting Hillary isn't even close to a good enough reason for me to even consider voting for the embarrassments the GOP are throwing up in the primaries right now.
Then vote third party because there would have to be something seriously wrong with you to vote for Hillary.
 
rumor is Hillary might be in jail anyways, or at least indicted. can you guys vote for a criminal? scratch that, we know that you can and will
 
The Donald decorates like Liberace and runs beauty pageants. I don't think he has a problem with the gays. He's practically an honorary member. You cons are always playing the victim.
 
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Then vote third party because there would have to be something seriously wrong with you to vote for Hillary.

Hillary is too close to Reagan for my tastes.

I'm willing to bet that if 3/4 of the people who hate her so much were forced to choose candidates based on issues and and not know the names to the candidates would choose Hillary.

Except for those of you who just hate government and blame it for everything wrong in your life. You'd still pick Ted Cruz.
 
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Hillary is too close to Reagan for my tastes.

I'm willing to bet that if 3/4 of the people who hate her so much were forced to choose candidates based on issues and and not know the names to the candidates would choose Hillary.

Except for those of you who just hate government and blame it for everything wrong in your life. You'd still pick Ted Cruz.
Her name is not what makes her a psychotic pathological liar. She belongs in an asylum regardless of her political stances..
 
Her name is not what makes her a psychotic pathological liar. She belongs in an asylum regardless of her political stances..

But she's still not a fascist and her platform isn't based on open racism, bigotry, and taking away people's health care. Also, she hasn't promised to start World War III like every Republican candidate (who conveniently have failed to mention any plan to pay for said war). Voting for any of the GOP candidates should scare the shit out of you.
 
FWIW...This morning there was a poll in the paper that showed 25% of GOPers would vote for the Democrat nominee before they would vote for Trump. 6 of one, half dozen of the other? Lots of voter dissatisfaction in BOTH parties.
 
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But she's still not a fascist and her platform isn't based on open racism, bigotry, and taking away people's health care. Also, she hasn't promised to start World War III like every Republican candidate (who conveniently have failed to mention any plan to pay for said war). Voting for any of the GOP candidates should scare the shit out of you.
I won't be voting for any democrats or republicans. I beg to differ though with your description. The woman is undeniably a fascist and is a racist as well.
 
I won't be voting for any democrats or republicans. I beg to differ though with your description. The woman is undeniably a fascist and is a racist as well.

You can't just say that. What fascist or racist policies does she support?
 
Hillary is too close to Reagan for my tastes.

I'm willing to bet that if 3/4 of the people who hate her so much were forced to choose candidates based on issues and and not know the names to the candidates would choose Hillary.

Except for those of you who just hate government and blame it for everything wrong in your life. You'd still pick Ted Cruz.

Yeah, it's not the fault of the entity that helped ruin the economy, has started wars in half the countries in the middle east, spies on its citizens, murders its citizens, imprisons its citizens without due process, and steals from its citizens in order to pay for the non-citizens which are flooding into the country. Why would that entity hold any guilt in the f***ed up situation of the United States right now?
 
For all his intelligence and bravado he lacks the ability to work in a meaningful manner with other nations. None of his plans are realistic. Whether the bigots believe this or not, but not all Muslims are evil and anti-American. Not all those of Hispanic origin are illegal immigrants.
You are right but we need someone not controlled by either party.He will be someone working for the usa and not his party.He is a term limit politician.I think he may actually pave the way for term limits.For all his faults,he is much better prepared leader than Obama could ever dream to be.
 
You can't just say that. What fascist or racist policies does she support?
Her entire platform is fascist and her belief that she herself is above the law adds to that. She believes that blacks are inferior to whites in her black little heart and it slips out of her mouth often. She just gets a pass on it because she is a democrat.
That's rich coming from someone who supports a treasonous and racist symbol.
i suppose you might try to tell me that Lincoln wasn't a fascist? He was the textbook version of one.

And only an ignorant bigot thinks of the symbol in my avatar as racist.
 
But she's still not a fascist and her platform isn't based on open racism, bigotry, and taking away people's health care. Also, she hasn't promised to start World War III like every Republican candidate (who conveniently have failed to mention any plan to pay for said war). Voting for any of the GOP candidates should scare the shit out of you.
He probably is scaring are enemies as well.Wouldn't it be nice to have some cred and respectability for a change.
 
Her entire platform is fascist and her belief that she herself is above the law adds to that. She believes that blacks are inferior to whites in her black little heart and it slips out of her mouth often. She just gets a pass on it because she is a democrat.

i suppose you might try to tell me that Lincoln wasn't a fascist? He was the textbook version of one.

And only an ignorant bigot thinks of the symbol in my avatar as racist.
Lincoln was a fervent nationalist; not a fascist in the true sense of the term.

That flag is regarded by many people as a symbol of racism whether you accept that or not.
 
Lincoln was a fervent nationalist; not a fascist in the true sense of the term.

That flag is regarded by many people as a symbol of racism whether you accept that or not.
Lincoln arrested all who didn't agree with him. He actually took over both state governments as well as large portions of the media. There were newspapers that no longer exist because they had the audacity to question the "supreme leader". How is that not fascist?

Yes, I realize that some bigots view it as a symbol of racism, and they are ignorant.
 
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Lincoln arrested all who didn't agree with him. He actually took over both state governments as well as large portions of the media. There were newspapers that no longer exist because they had the audacity to question the "supreme leader". How is that not fascist?

Yes, I realize that some bigots view it as a symbol of racism, and they are ignorant.
Lincoln was quashing a rebellion. Wilson and Roosevelt were more fascist than Lincoln.

Ignorant bigots like yourself are incapable of seeing the symbolism that flag represents to a lot of people.
 
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