So we should start someone who isn't as good instead? I guess we could always forfeit. Both make more sense than putting a 3x NCAA qualifier in the lineup.
2024 Lineup and Expectation
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So we should start someone who isn't as good instead? I guess we could always forfeit. Both make more sense than putting a 3x NCAA qualifier in the lineup.
How many points has Assad scored in 3 years at Nattys?
I'll hang up and listen.
I would take an untested Swafford all day long if that's an either/or option.
am i the only one who thinks assad could beat truax?
If Assad could ever figure out how to FINISH his attacks, he could beat anyone at 184. Let's hope its just been his health that has held him back to this point and he can get healthy and strong enough this year to make that happen...
Yeah, after getting planted by a guy with a losing record in the Wisconsin dual, Assad ain't doing shit.
Sometimes shit happens and it can be for multiple reasons.
I'm going to stay on the optimistic side with the young man because he is very capable.
Yet, he beat Wittlake his very next match...
So to answer my question, you're going with the whole "start someone who isn't as good instead." Interesting.
In your defense, he did back up his sparkling runner up finish (at 174) at the Luther Open and 6th place finish (also at 174) at the Southern Scuffle two years ago with a couple of narrow wins over backups from Columbia and Bellarmine (also at 174) at the Soldier's Salute last season. Pretty much the same or better than qualifying for the NCAAs and winning matches at 184.
He's beaten Keckeisen before, I could see a healthy Abe beating Truax
Same here. Might be able to beat him once out of like 20 or 30. Just has to make sure that once happens when it counts, I guess.
I'm looking forward to the Caliendo/Kennedy Rumble in the Jungle wrestle-off. I wish I could get multiple kitchen passes to Iowa City each year...would love to see those two go at it.
I'm hoping it's all been because of injury/health issues and that this year we'll see what we expected when he stepped onto the campus...
I'd be good with this road map if you could get everyone on board.Don't worry guys, I have the road map thru 2027 for 65-84. Absolutely no faults in this plan😏 I'm also positive that all wrestlers would be fully on board with the proposal
23-24:
65-Caliendo(so)
74-Brands(sr)
84-Assad(sr)
Kennedy and Arnold place top 8 at Sr Nats and ORS
24-25
65-Caliendo(jr)
74-Kennedy(so)
84-Ferrari(fr)
Arnold RS
25-26
65-Caliendo(sr)
74-Kennedy(jr)
84-Arnold(fr)
Ferrari RS
26-27
65-Kennedy(sr)
74-Arnold(so)
84-Ferrari(so)
That “fall” over Assad was one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen.
Perhaps, but unless you're a freshman, you don't put yourself in that position to begin with.
That was middle school wrestling.
Good work here but 197 Ferrari top 3? Brooks finalist/favorite? NO, IF AJ is at 197 for IOWA, he is the favorite!
A lot of rumors of him being substantially heavier, the fact that he hasn’t wrestled in 2 years along with the stress of major legal issues means you HAVE TO pump the breaks a bit. Maybe he proves himself right away, but I need to see it first.
At final X, Brooks lost to Taylor 5-4, taking Taylor down twice. There is an argument Brooks is #2 in the world at 86kg. A lot would have to happen for AJ to win, but I would love to see the matchup.
So going with the above I could calculate a dual meet score of 25-6 from the above analysis or maybe 22-9 but I’m of the mindset whoever goes for PSU at 165 will win.
Is that sort of what you’re thinking or do you see it differently. I could see a few other matches going iowas way to be honest but I think I agree with your analysis.
I’m looking forward to the 184 matchup but the other 9 are gonna be fun !
I would pick Iowa at 125,141 and 165. I also believe they pull out 1 match between 149, 157 and 285. I wouldn’t give Ferrari a chance in the dual and would be SUPER surprised if he were to wrestle in that dual. But I definitely think he has a decent chance if he can shake off the rust by March.
As far as bonus points go, I really don’t see any, with Brands going at 174 being key to that statement. So, it would probably take some crazy big move or being caught in desperation for it to happen.
With that said, I would probably pick PSU 18-12. But, I definitely could see 21-9 without a problem. Anything better than 4 wins for Iowa would mean some drastic improvement by Assad on top of Voinovich and Cass. Even that would hinge on Franek staying 100% error free for all 7 mins.
86 kg is 7.5 lbs lighter than 197. Aj has the size advantage in this hypothetical matchup. I think there’s a need for Brooks to prove that he can be as dominate at 197 as he was at 84. Brooks is a good wrestler but if he’s 10% worse then there’s an opening for upsets to happen to him at this new weight. He’s not as big of a lock at 197.
If Aj does wrestle, and he wrestlers at 197 I think this is a pickum for the time being. To many questions on both sides.
Let’s see…
The guy who’s spent the last 3 seasons winning NCAA titles while day in and day out training in the best room in the country
OR:
A guy who hasn’t wrestled in 2 years while trying to stay out of the slammer.
Such a tough call.
Yeah, not seeing it. Truax grew by leaps and bounds in college (both literally and figuratively). In HS he placed 2nd @138 his Jr year and 3rd @145 his senior year. (The champ was future 0X AA Peyton Omania who ended up at Michigan St. btw) Truax is now a 3X D-1 AA. I can’t imagine he’s not going to improve with the workout partners he has now vs who he had at SLO. Abe has been a disappointment to say the least.
I don’t see Haines or kerk losing but yes I think the extra match is possible at 149.
I think we will see some bonus points because of the new rule changes . Depends how the refs call it in the mat.
If by “we” you mean me I think messenbrink is the real deal and he will get enough folk style in before the dual that he will be ready enough to win .
If facundo wrestles then I’m of the mindset he just isn’t getting the spot but is truly either beating messenbrink in the room or close enough to allow messenbrink to say red shirt.
It’s also possible Haines wrestles 165 but I think he is better than both facundo and Haines.
So as of today, if I were to make an even money bet I’d take the penn state wrestler at 165.
I’d put $ Assad would win the spot at 84 if Brands, Swafford, and Arnold all tried to take it from him this year. He’s the best we got there.
We haven't even heard from Iowa officially that they've been suspended.
Not a troll, but just haven't seen anything from Assad to make me think he suddenly turns it around.
The University itself has not confirmed any names that have been suspended. All the names that are floating around are technically unconfirmed except for Nelson, who admitted his suspension in a now deleted Twitter thread
We have seen Facundo vs PK last year. No reason to think that result gets turned around with the winner of PL/Caliendo taking the mat against PSU. Mesenbrink is a bit more of an unknown at 165 in folkstyle at this point.
"no reason to think that result gets turned around"
dude that was a 2-1 rideouts match. definition of a match that is likely to get turned around. coin flip every time.
People on here talk like he sucks. He's pretty good. Not good enough to AA so far, but consistently a top 20 guy.
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