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2024 Sea Surface Temperature exceed previous records by wide margin

Then why is it noteworthy that 2023 was the hottest year on record? This seems to be a frequent point that your side likes to point out.

I agree that 1 year does not make climate change. But there are so many inconsistencies in your sides arguments.

I have also seen theories that as the earth warms, moisture in the air will increase which will increase cloud cover. This in turn will block some of the sun which will have a cooling effect.
I’m sure you’ve seen lots of theories on the moronic web sites you do your “research” on. Now tell us about Noah and the dinosaurs.
 
Then why is it noteworthy that 2023 was the hottest year on record? This seems to be a frequent point that your side likes to point out.

I agree that 1 year does not make climate change. But there are so many inconsistencies in your sides arguments.

I have also seen theories that as the earth warms, moisture in the air will increase which will increase cloud cover. This in turn will block some of the sun which will have a cooling effect.

It wouldn't be, if the preceding decade wasn't in the top 11 also....you're not very good at this science thing
 
And yet the climate has changed less than 1.5 degrees over the past 100 years. Yet when a volcano erupted in 1815 in Indonesia, it caused the following year to decrease by 3 degrees due to the clouds from ash blocking the sun.

And despite being told how "half lives" of various components work, you're still oblivious.

A single volcanic event can alter temperatures for a few years; then things revert to the norm.

CO2 buildup has a half life of hundreds of years, and we will continue to build up that heat for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.

Not to mention the serious impacts ocean acidification is having on the low-end of the food chain. You destroy that marine life with acidified oceans, and it resonates all the way up to driving the extinction of the seafoods WE need for sustenance.

And, yes, quite a lot of animal feed WE use for raising our animals comes from ocean sources.
 
I listen to the Tom Nelson podcast on YouTube. He has on lots of good guests including Matthew Wielicki.
Willie Soon is a hack, paid by Exxon, et al

Go watch the Frontline serious on Exxon & Big Oil.
Damn near every worker and contractor for Exxon back in the 70s/80s/90s regrets their work in covering up for them.

Key Congressmen are outright mad that Exxon lied to them about the impacts we are seeing today, that Exxon KNEW were coming.
 
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It wouldn't be, if the preceding decade wasn't in the top 11 also....you're not very good at this science thing
I guess this is where the actual data comes into play.

The adjustments that are done to "normalize" the data tend to decrease temps for older data and increase temps for more recent data. So there is a level of mistrust in the data.

At a minimum, when the data has to be adjusted like it is, it is subject to bias either conscious or unconscious. it is virtually impossible to manipulate the data and be completely accurate over hundreds and thousands of years without being off by a couple degrees. The difference of recording the temp at 9 in the morning instead of 7 in the morning could create a difference of a couple degrees.
 
I guess this is where the actual data comes into play.

The adjustments that are done to "normalize" the data tend to decrease temps for older data and increase temps for more recent data.


FALSE

This was Anthony Watts' claim prior to the BEST study.
Anthony was a co-lead on that study, and claimed he would "follow the data, whatever the result"

Only, the result showed that his claims of biases in the data and UHI effects were correctly compensated for, and the data clearly showed (back in 2009), a significant "human" signal in the data.

Lead author Richard Muller, who had been a skeptic of the data up to that time, completely reversed his opinion and proclaimed the science was right, all along.

Anthony bailed, and ran away from the work he had hoped would "disprove" what scientists had been telling him for years.

Muller behaved like a real scientist - shifting his position to follow what the data showed him.
Anthony ran away like a spoiled child. Yet, here you are, regurgitating those 15-year-old dispelled claims.
 
Willie Soon is a hack, paid by Exxon, et al

Go watch the Frontline serious on Exxon & Big Oil.
Damn near every worker and contractor for Exxon back in the 70s/80s/90s regrets their work in covering up for them.

Key Congressmen are outright mad that Exxon lied to them about the impacts we are seeing today, that Exxon KNEW were coming.
Most people have some bias when it comes to this stuff. The bias does not make their research invalid, you just have to account for the bias going in. The researchers at a very liberal university also have an equal amount of bias as Willie Soon may have. You are welcome to discredit his work, but you should also discredit the work of all science that is done at liberal universities or if its paid for by anyone who benefits from green energy (this includes the US government, especially under the Obama and Biden administration).
 
I guess this is where the actual data comes into play.

The adjustments that are done to "normalize" the data tend to decrease temps for older data and increase temps for more recent data. So there is a level of mistrust in the data.

At a minimum, when the data has to be adjusted like it is, it is subject to bias either conscious or unconscious. it is virtually impossible to manipulate the data and be completely accurate over hundreds and thousands of years without being off by a couple degrees. The difference of recording the temp at 9 in the morning instead of 7 in the morning could create a difference of a couple degrees.

Lmao...climate datasets were some of the datasets I used for Geostatistics. You have no clue what you're talking about
 
"Both Sides"

Even though your side is paid millions by Exxon, Koch, et al., who have trillions in stranded assets if we move away from fossil fuels. And you are literally too stupid to understand that point.

And, yes, Willie Soon is on Exxon's payroll.
You need to get it together old man. Just because one doesn't agree with your assessment or facts doesn't make them stupid. Do better.

I fail on this measure myself from time to time but you do it almost every post.
 
No; actually "this" has not been going on for billions of years.
Humans are releasing all the CO2 this time around.

When the Deccan Traps did this, it caused one of the Great Extinction Events we see in the fossil record.

You know what your study shows, DKJ? It shows that for several weeks in early 2023 the ocean temp rose dramatically and STAYED there. There is absolutely ZERO chance this was human caused rise in temp over such a short period of time. ZERO.

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"Both Sides"

Even though your side is paid millions by Exxon, Koch, et al., who have trillions in stranded assets if we move away from fossil fuels. And you are literally too stupid to understand that point.

And, yes, Willie Soon is on Exxon's payroll.
Right, because green energy isn't being funding by bias people. Bezos Earth Fund, Bill and Melinda Gates, Rockafeller fund, Bloomberg, etc.

They have a full on campaign to promote the climate change agenda. You are equally too stupid to realize that climate is more political than it is real science.
https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/fundraising-for-climate-change/
 
Call me when Obama sells his mansion on Martha’s Vineyard due to rising sea levels.
STFU. You would have to work really hard to sound dumber than this. He could sell it and you'd just find another excuse to dismiss what's coming. The day you predicate your behavior based on what Obama does...well, it's not happening.
 
You need to get it together old man. Just because one doesn't agree with your assessment or facts doesn't make them stupid.

In this case, it DOES make them stupid, because the documentation is available that demonstrates they've been lied to.

But that doesn't matter to the folks who will buy $400 worthless gold shoes.
 
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You know what your study shows, DKJ? It shows that for several weeks in early 2023 the ocean temp rose dramatically and STAYED there. There is absolutely ZERO chance this was human caused rise in temp over such a short period of time. ZERO.

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FALSE.

Previous El Nino events did not have SST's anywhere close.
 
In this case, it DOES make them stupid, because the documentation is available that demonstrates they've been lied to.

But that doesn't matter to the folks who will buy $400 worthless gold shoes.
You don't seem to understand capitalism, and it seems that you have managed, like multiple other times, to end up on the wrong side of this argument. I suppose you were all in on the beta max and Portable CD player successes, however.

A simple eBay search could’ve told you the answered the question about whether these are worthless or not. I advise you to check it out, I did.

Additionally:

 
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You don't seem to understand "externalized costs".
What sort of externalities are you worried about? People willingly parted with their money. He provided a product. You may feel like you are unhappy with the quality of the product, purely on the basis of its apparent country of manufacture and the producer of said goods sure but you don't have to buy them. Thankfully we are still a free country.

Admit it, you have no first hand basis for any of your claims do you? Can you point to a reliable source, that has owned these shoes, that can provide evidence as to their lack of quality?

Additionally, Id guess that many of these shoes will never be worn and probably many of them barely will leave their box. So, probably, quality is of little relevance really.

I suppose your a big fan of the Biden family art grift too? You think these are of high quality? Judged as masterpieces of generational or transcendent value? Would those be worth just as much if they were sold by you?
 
Please point out anything he's posted or published that's inaccurate.
How about I just link you to the guy who does it on Twitter?


He's a geochemist who turned his views on 'wokism' and climate into a lucrative Fox News 'climate expert' business.

I know geochemists, I like geochemists. But I don't rely on them for climate science. If I had questions about zircon formation in the early crust I'd trust his opinion. But climate? No.

But hey, you find the person who tells you want you want to hear and ignore everything else. Seems to work for you.
 
What is it then?

This is going to be good. Making popcorn.
Did I say I knew what it was? Did you read the article and they said they knew what it was? Do you think we unloaded thousands of nukes in the ocean to make it rise? Make some popcorn for being dumb.
 
"Clauser has not been welcomed everywhere. In July, he was scheduled to deliver a seminar on climate models to the International Monetary Fund’s Independent Evaluation Office, but then the event was “summarily canceled” with no explanation, the CO2 Coalition said in a statement at the time."

Its not a coincidence that the IMF does not want a climate denier speaking at their event. They are fully integrated with the WEF, UN, SDGs and everything that is climate change. Yes, he is being censored for not sharing the view they want.

🤣

The guy won his prize in physics. Not exactly the expertise needed to address climate change.

And he has been ostracized and thoroughly discredited by his peers.

Climate change is occurring and is caused by humans. This is the consensus of the scientific community.

You have to be willingly ignorant to believe otherwise.

Oh, if you do medical research (highly unlikely, most likely a lie to cloak your insecurity), please tell us where, so we can avoid the institution dumb enough to hire you.

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TRUE

Your own f*cking graph shows it. You're an idiot.
Wait...can you elaborate on that comment. The graph SHOWS that previous El Nino's produced the same extreme SST? Where on the graph do you see this? In what year or years are you seeing the temps of 2024 replicated? I'll hang up and listen. Thanks.

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And yet the climate has changed less than 1.5 degrees over the past 100 years. Yet when a volcano erupted in 1815 in Indonesia, it caused the following year to decrease by 3 degrees due to the clouds from ash blocking the sun. The effects were felt even in the usa.

This was a volcanic explosively index of 7, compared to Mt. St. Helens which was a 5.

The clouds have a much greater potential to affect the climate than co2 does.
I have also seen theories that as the earth warms, moisture in the air will increase which will increase cloud cover. This in turn will block some of the sun which will have a cooling effect.
Is the Earth's atmosphere warming?

If yes, does a warmer atmosphere hold more water vapor?

If yes, does that mean MORE clouds?

If true, why are more clouds leading to more measurable warming?
 
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Is the Earth's atmosphere warming?

If yes, does a warmer atmosphere hold more water vapor?

If yes, does that mean MORE clouds?

If true, why are more clouds leading to more measurable warming?
Clouds can cause both cooling and warming. There is no doubt about this. The volcano created clouds in the stratosphere which caused global cooling.

At this point, the effects of clouds and climate change is not well understood. They can only make predictions, but some scientists predict warming would cool and some predict warming would heat up the earth. The important thing is that its only a guess at this point. No one knows exactly what would happen.
 
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Lmao...climate datasets were some of the datasets I used for Geostatistics. You have no clue what you're talking about
Where did you get those datasets? Did you take them at face value, or did you look at the data collection methodology, and include asterisks to explain how the dataset collection might have an influence on statistical outcomes or variances?
 
Clouds can cause both cooling and warming. There is no doubt about this. The volcano created clouds in the stratosphere which caused global cooling.

At this point, the effects of clouds and climate change is not well understood.
You're just parroting the fossil fuel industry's propaganda.

Did you watch the 3-part Frontline series yet, on Big Oil? You may learn something.
 
Massive amounts of money are being funneled toward green research and the green agenda. This money rivals any amount that the oil companies have used.

Not remotely close to what fossil fuels have been subsidized for and spent over the past 100+ years.

The "green" lobby does not have tens of trillions in potentially "stranded assets" they are trying to maximize their return on, and pass the externalized costs on to the rest of us.
 
Where did you get those datasets? Did you take them at face value, or did you look at the data collection methodology, and include asterisks to explain how the dataset collection might have an influence on statistical outcomes or variances?
The BEST study looked at all of this.

Not that you'd understand one iota of it.
 
Clouds can cause both cooling and warming. There is no doubt about this. The volcano created clouds in the stratosphere which caused global cooling.

At this point, the effects of clouds and climate change is not well understood. They can only make predictions, but some scientists predict warming would cool and some predict warming would heat up the earth. The important thing is that its only a guess at this point. No one knows exactly what would happen.
The volcano-created clouds are sulfate aerosols that do not persist in the atmosphere. They are not H2O clouds. They can have a significant short-term effect, but they will not have any effect on the long-term warming trend caused by anthropic CO2. Period. You mentioned Krakatoa - its effect was gone within five years.
 
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