They're trying to play a verbal shell game.What is it then?
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They're trying to play a verbal shell game.What is it then?
I'm aware. Just wondering what kind of gymnastics he will try to perform.They're trying to play a verbal shell game.
Per Google's dictionary: Vehicle - a thing used to express, embody, or fulfill something.What is it then?
Part of speech: Noun.Per Google's dictionary: Vehicle - a thing used to express, embody, or fulfill something.
Lol - even better than I expected. So your content could be termed as:Per Google's dictionary: Vehicle - a thing used to express, embody, or fulfill something.
What, in your mind, is the gun "expressing", "embodying" or "fulfilling" in the case of a school shooting? Or in any case?Correct. The gun is just a thing used to express, embody, or fulfill something. what's the root cause?
No one said it wasnt. I said its not an automobile. Replace it with whatever you want: medium, means, mechanism, instrument, etc.Part of speech: Noun.
Evil, hate, mental illness - pick any/all you want.Lol - even better than I expected. So your content could be termed as:
What, in your mind, is the gun "expressing", "embodying" or "fulfilling" in the case of a school shooting? Or in any case?
This is going to get good.
You're so disingenuous. The 1st Google definition is, as follows:No one said it wasnt. I said its not an automobile. Replace it with whatever you want: medium, means, mechanism, instrument, etc.
The gun is doing those things? LOL. Love it.Evil, hate, mental illness - pick any/all you want.
You're an odd sort of troll, huh?
Ehhh...Mothers Against Drunk Drivers focused their efforts on the behavior of driving while drunk...not necessarily improved auto safety. Certainly, auto safety continues to be improved, but check their name, it says it all. They aren't Mothers Against Unsafe Autos after all.I think it's pretty obvious that certain events happen and can trigger a new interest.
If I had to guess, mother's around the country weren't fired up about drunk driving out of boredom. They may have lost a kid to drunk driver and it ignited a passion.
Someone posted about losing a kid to a car crash and not blaming the car... it's just a tool. I don't really buy that, we've improved the tool by making it safer. Through studies, technology, regulations, etc.
The point is this can be addressed on multiple fronts. Cars were too dangerous so it was legislated to make them safer. Just as it was to keep drink drivers of the road. And it has worked despite not eliminating car deaths or drink driving. Why not for the gun violence were seeing?Ehhh...Mothers Against Drunk Drivers focused their efforts on the behavior of driving while drunk...not necessarily improved auto safety. Certainly, auto safety continues to be improved, but check their name, it says it all. They aren't Mothers Against Unsafe Autos after all.
Why doesn't every vehicle have a breathalyzer in it these days? Because our society doesn't want to deal with the cost/hassle of EVERYONE having to pay for and use such a device, so as to block the some that still do drive while impaired.
A person with a murderous heart is going to find a way to exact their mayhem one way or the other. Yes, guns can greatly increase their "effectiveness" and as such, deserve special consideration as to how to prevent similar horrors in the future.
But the PRIMARY issue isn't guns, at least IMO. There have been, and unfortunately will likely be in the future, plenty of scenarios where an out of control person rage kills others, via one method or the other.
Are you under the impression words only have 1 definition? If so, English is not the language for you.You're so disingenuous. The 1st Google definition is, as follows:
1.
a thing used for transporting people or goods, especially on land, such as a car, truck, or cart.
"the vehicle was sent skidding across the road"
Of course not, the gun is the vehicle for "those things" - hence my entire point and position.The gun is doing those things? LOL. Love it.
I do. Do you know most car accidents aren't accidents, but are caused by imbeciles like you and the moron in TX no one seems to want to blame?Do you know what the definition of accident is?
Which is why I pointed out that you failed to reveal the 1st definition. And then asked a question because who knows what you're thinking.Are you under the impression words only have 1 definition? If so, English is not the language for you.
Of course not, the gun is the vehicle for "those things" - hence my entire point and position.
(are you paying attention, or just responding to things you wish I was saying? You're being particularly obtuse today - and in this case, I would be using the first definition of 'obtuse' per Google)
Ehhh...Mothers Against Drunk Drivers focused their efforts on the behavior of driving while drunk...not necessarily improved auto safety. Certainly, auto safety continues to be improved, but check their name, it says it all. They aren't Mothers Against Unsafe Autos after all.
Why doesn't every vehicle have a breathalyzer in it these days? Because our society doesn't want to deal with the cost/hassle of EVERYONE having to pay for and use such a device, so as to block the some that still do drive while impaired.
A person with a murderous heart is going to find a way to exact their mayhem one way or the other. Yes, guns can greatly increase their "effectiveness" and as such, deserve special consideration as to how to prevent similar horrors in the future.
But the PRIMARY issue isn't guns, at least IMO. There have been, and unfortunately will likely be in the future, plenty of scenarios where an out of control person rage kills others, via one method or the other.
I assume you're talking about drunk drivers. Has drunk driving incidents gone up or down with regulation?I do. Do you know most car accidents aren't accidents, but are caused by imbeciles like you and the moron in TX no one seems to want to blame?
Do you need me to alert you of every word that has multiple definitions? Are you incapable of comprehending context?Which is why I pointed out that you failed to reveal the 1st definition. And then asked a question because who knows what you're thinking.
The scrambling you're doing is fun to watch.
Do you think there should be efforts to make us safer from guns AND address the root causes of these types of massacres at the same time?
Ban cars!!!!
Both my Mom & Dad were killed in a car accident in 1986. I skim through the forum to stay updated and one thing I have noticed is you are the one who thinks he's so smart. You didn't answer any of my questions ......not sure why but all I was getting at is we have wackos out there that will use anything to accomplish the killings. I do believe we need to do a better job with the situations we are in as a country about these shootings. But you and your Tom Paris smart mouth think you are a lot smarter than you really are.It's such a silly part of their narrative but they use it every single time there's a mass shooting, thinking it makes them sound smart.
Nah he's probably referring to reckless drivers - too fast, distracted, poorly maintained autos, etc. Drunks are one component, but hardly the only or main.I assume you're talking about drunk drivers. Has drunk driving incidents gone up or down with regulation?
No, there are plenty of traffic deaths due to idiots being idiots while sober. Down negligibly. Do those regulations impede law-abiding citizens minding their own business at home, from drinking alcohol until they piss from their ears should they so choose?I assume you're talking about drunk drivers. Has drunk driving incidents gone up or down with regulation?
So traffic deaths go up when regulation goes up?No, there are plenty of traffic deaths due to idiots being idiots while sober. Down negligibly. Do those regulations impede law-abiding citizens minding their own business at home, from drinking alcohol until they piss from their ears should they so choose?
Out of curiosity, do you anticipate felons (whom are already barred from buying and selling guns legally) to follow a hypothetical background check requirement? They aren't now, what would make them in your example? Would you incentivize private citizens to run their own sting operation? Its one of those options that everyone defaults to, but in practice, how do you make it work (and for now, we'll table the de facto registry this would create)State and national background checks on all gun sales, even private. Close that loophole.
National mental health database. If you see a provider or on certain meds you are in it. I heard the Michigan FBI wants or is monitoring social media looking for manifestos on violence and tracking these people. They would talk to friends, family, girlfriends, etc. Not against that either.
And tax dollars for school security.
Tax dollars for a national gun buy back program.
Of course the ACLU will fight this to the end.
Just because I am genuinely curious...in detail, what would "state and national background checks" consist of and how would that work in your view?State and national background checks on all gun sales, even private. Close that loophole.
National mental health database. If you see a provider or on certain meds you are in it. I heard the Michigan FBI wants or is monitoring social media looking for manifestos on violence and tracking these people. They would talk to friends, family, girlfriends, etc. Not against that either.
And tax dollars for school security.
Tax dollars for a national gun buy back program.
Of course the ACLU will fight this to the end.
I'm sorry you lost your parents.Both my Mom & Dad were killed in a car accident in 1986. I skim through the forum to stay updated and one thing I have noticed is you are the one who thinks he's so smart. You didn't answer any of my questions ......not sure why but all I was getting at is we have wackos out there that will use anything to accomplish the killings. I do believe we need to do a better job with the situations we are in as a country about these shootings. But you and your Tom Paris smart mouth think you are a lot smarter than you really are.
Those are all good ideas.State and national background checks on all gun sales, even private. Close that loophole.
National mental health database. If you see a provider or on certain meds you are in it. I heard the Michigan FBI wants or is monitoring social media looking for manifestos on violence and tracking these people. They would talk to friends, family, girlfriends, etc. Not against that either.
And tax dollars for school security.
Tax dollars for a national gun buy back program.
Of course the ACLU will fight this to the end.
What's your solution then? Because what we do does NOT WORK.Out of curiosity, do you anticipate felons (whom are already barred from buying and selling guns legally) to follow a hypothetical background check requirement? They aren't now, what would make them in your example?
We have a national database - the problem is the admins are not good at updating/maintaining it. The NICS system is lacking a lot of information. So what you want already exists - how do you make those people who's job it is to submit the info do it? Because if you have a solution, please share as that's something that can be and should be done presently.
I already said one - incentivize (or punish for not doing) those who's job it is update and maintain NICS.What's your solution then? Because what we do does NOT WORK.
How was the aerobics class?I went and worked out and came back to a shit show of a thread thanks to the usual suspects. Well done, HORT! Never change.
To those that tried, thanks and see you in another thread.
LOL....this is pointless..... 🤣So traffic deaths go up when regulation goes up?
Because it reads as if you lean towards more of what we are doing now. Like a little bit defensive of gun rights.I already said one - incentivize (or punish for not doing) those who's job it is update and maintain NICS.
As to the rest, why would I ask the questions if I had the solution?
Every cop sees Ben Crump hiding in the bushes ready and willing to ruin his and his family’s life if the cop shots first and the perp turns out to be a minority. I’m surprised any cop shots first nowadays…Good question, you should ask the multiple armed police officers who did nothing for 40 minutes in Texas. BTW, other countries don't require armed guardsmen at schools.
How was the aerobics class?
Lol - nope. When the context is clear it's easy to comprehend. When the context is, at best, garbled - not so much. But it's fun watching you spin things based on technicalities.Do you need me to alert you of every word that has multiple definitions? Are you incapable of comprehending context?
As to your last question; identifying and addressing the root causes is what will decrease homicides.
There's a lot to unpack with that post.Every cop sees Ben Crump hiding in the bushes ready and willing to ruin his and his family’s life if the cop shots first and the perp turns out to be a minority. I’m surprised any cop shots first nowadays…
Im extremely protective of gun rights.Because it reads as if you lean towards more of what we are doing now. Like a little bit defensive of gun rights.
If you can't comprehend context, thats a 'you' issue.Lol - nope. When the context is clear it's easy to comprehend. When the context is, at best, garbled - not so much. But it's fun watching you spin things based on technicalities.
That's not an answer. That's avoidance, again. But I'll try to interpret based on your "context" and say that you don't think there is anything that can be done with gun control to reduce homicides. That the ONLY thing that will work is to solve the "root cause". Correct me if needed.
That bring the case, what measures do you propose to solve the "root cause"?
Very eager to see your dance steps.
Don’t engage with him. He’s “never wrong” if you know what I mean. Just drives conversations nowhere.If you can't comprehend context, thats a 'you' issue.
Correct - identify and address root causes and enforce laws already on the books.