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A new GOP House proposal is set to ban trans women from women's bathrooms at the capitol building to target first trans Rep, Sarah McBride

With his magic SCOTUS anything is legal. Also there goes the argument that they're just trying to protect sports girls.
It's called compassion......trying to help these mentally ill whack-a-dos get the professional help they so desperately need.
 
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I thought transgenders are such a small number that they are inconsequential? There are really 15,000 in the military.
Inconsequential in what? The military? Who gives a crap if they are in the military...putting their lives on the line for us? I think you're trying to put a trans in girls sports narrative onto a vastly different thing.
 
Inconsequential in what? The military? Who gives a crap if they are in the military...putting their lives on the line for us? I think you're trying to put a trans in girls sports narrative onto a vastly different thing.
Every normal person being forced to serve, sleep, eat and shower with them, that's who!
 
Would love to know how that is legal…
Mental and physical health screenings have long been part of the US military. The trans shouldn't be around guns anyways given their statistics with suicide and assault. The unvaxed are coming back while the chicks with dicks are getting the boot. The military will be stronger as a result.
 
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I thought transgenders are such a small number that they are inconsequential? There are really 15,000 in the military.
That number is the highest estimate available. A later Rand study put the total number anywhere from ~2,000 to a little over 10,000. Given that the military had treated nearly 2,000 by 2021, it appears it would skew toward the higher number. That includes all NG troops as well.
 
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That number is the highest estimate available. A later Rand study put the total number anywhere from ~2,000 to a little over 10,000. Given that the military had treated nearly 2,000 by 2021, it appears it would skew toward the higher number. That includes all NG troops as well.
Yeah, it would be a very small percentage as I read somewhere that our military has over a million service members. Even if there are 15,000 transgenders, the percentage is very small.

The need to have to discriminate against some class of people is an American tradition. Must be in one of the sub-clauses of the Constitution I guess.
 
Yeah, it would be a very small percentage as I read somewhere that our military has over a million service members. Even if there are 15,000 transgenders, the percentage is very small.

The need to have to discriminate against some class of people is an American tradition. Must be in one of the sub-clauses of the Constitution I guess.
These past 4 years it was the folks who didn't want to take an experimental jab that often causes more issues than benefits. This cycle it's those with mental health issues that think men can get pregnant. I'd rather have a military composed of the former than the latter myself, and the majority of Americans agree.
 
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Why is Mace talking about undressing in a dressing room when her beef is about public restrooms? If she's undressing in the open in a Capitol bathroom, I think she's the one that needs to be banned.

You're letting Maga Republican propaganda affect you.

Dems barely if at all talked about trans issues during the 24 campaign. It was the Republicans obsessing about this issue during the campaign.
Again, this is the point. It's the fact that D's don't talk about it, makes it a problem. Every Republican thinks that democrats are all for boys playing girls sports, transitioning females playing girls sports, and trans people using bathrooms with kids/women.

Democrats are afraid to piss off a few on the far far left, yet don't understand that they lose more in the middle. STOP THE CRAZY..........
 
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Again, this is the point. It's the fact that D's don't talk about it, makes it a problem. Every Republican thinks that democrats are all for boys playing girls sports, transitioning females playing girls sports, and trans people using bathrooms with kids/women.

Democrats are afraid to piss off a few on the far far left, yet don't understand that they lose more in the middle. STOP THE CRAZY..........
Catering the the extreme left 100% cost democrats this election cycle. Dems have a choice to make, double down or do some soul searching and opt for change in the party. I don't see the left ever doing the latter.
 
Again, this is the point. It's the fact that D's don't talk about it, makes it a problem. Every Republican thinks that democrats are all for boys playing girls sports, transitioning females playing girls sports, and trans people using bathrooms with kids/women.

Democrats are afraid to piss off a few on the far far left, yet don't understand that they lose more in the middle. STOP THE CRAZY..........
Transgender women that have been through male puberty shouldn't be competing in women's sports. Either way locker rooms need changes to give all athletes, no matter the gender, privacy. While I've never seen a confirmed report of a transgender woman assaulting another woman in a bathroom or locker room, I've seen countless articles about boys sexually and physically abusing other boys in locker rooms.

Aren't you the poster who had concerns about a girl in the process of transitioning to male playing girls sports? How would the proposed rules/laws keep that from happening?
 
Transgender women that have been through male puberty shouldn't be competing in women's sports. Either way locker rooms need changes to give all athletes, no matter the gender, privacy. While I've never seen a confirmed report of a transgender woman assaulting another woman in a bathroom or locker room, I've seen countless articles about boys sexually and physically abusing other boys in locker rooms.

Aren't you the poster who had concerns about a girl in the process of transitioning to male playing girls sports? How would the proposed rules/laws keep that from happening?
It’s only a problem if trans people do it to “normal” people.
 
Yeah, it would be a very small percentage as I read somewhere that our military has over a million service members. Even if there are 15,000 transgenders, the percentage is very small.

The need to have to discriminate against some class of people is an American tradition. Must be in one of the sub-clauses of the Constitution I guess.
It’s straight out of the authoritarian handbook. They need a small minority group to focus all of the anger they can at, while they move against the rights of the general population.
 
Propaganda, spread incessantly on Twitter, works very very well.
it does, especially when you have a presidential candidate advocating for providing hormone treatments for prisoners. That commercial is not propaganda and was as damning as any video made for the election.
It only takes a small group of zealots to damn the whole party when no one else shouts them down.
I'm as big a voter for democrats as anyone, my mind was already made up and even I found that commercial offensive. People in the middle or religious, like latinos, may have seen that commercial and been done with harris.
You may not like it, the LGBTQ community may not like it but it's a losing position. Heck, there are many gays who hate this trans position the party has put up with.
 
it does, especially when you have a presidential candidate advocating for providing hormone treatments for prisoners. That commercial is not propaganda and was as damning as any video made for the election.
It only takes a small group of zealots to damn the whole party when no one else shouts them down.
I'm as big a voter for democrats as anyone, my mind was already made up and even I found that commercial offensive. People in the middle or religious, like latinos, may have seen that commercial and been done with harris.
You may not like it, the LGBTQ community may not like it but it's a losing position. Heck, there are many gays who hate this trans position the party has put up with.
First, the policy she talked about actually began under trump.
Second, she talked about the treatments being available, not specifically advocating for it. Small but important distinction there (not one I agree with btw - while we have issues with how we approach healthcare for inmates; transgender treatments is not something I think the taxpayer should be footing the bill for).

Should also mention no inmate under trump or Biden ever underwent treatments either.
 
First, the policy she talked about actually began under trump.
Second, she talked about the treatments being available, not specifically advocating for it. Small but important distinction there (not one I agree with btw - while we have issues with how we approach healthcare for inmates; transgender treatments is not something I think the taxpayer should be footing the bill for).

Should also mention no inmate under trump or Biden ever underwent treatments either.
such is the subtly of the problem with the position that dems never speak of.
Doesn't matter when the treatments became available, all someone in the middle or right knows; harris, by default democrats, are for using taxpayer money for convicts to get hormone treatments.
 
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such is the subtly of the problem with the position that dems never speak of.
Doesn't matter when the treatments became available, all someone in the middle or right knows; harris, by default democrats, are for using taxpayer money for convicts to get hormone treatments.
Are you saying it's the Democrats fault that some voters are uninformed? How do you suggest they remedy this? It was done by a court order in 2011.

  • Fields v. Smith
    In 2011, the US Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled that a Wisconsin law barring hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries for incarcerated people violated the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment.

  • Adams v. Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
    This 2011 settlement required the federal government to guarantee access to hormone therapy and other medically necessary care for transgender people in BOP custody.
 
such is the subtly of the problem with the position that dems never speak of.
Doesn't matter when the treatments became available, all someone in the middle or right knows; harris, by default democrats, are for using taxpayer money for convicts to get hormone treatments.
Because republicans are totally not painting with a broad brush here.
 
Are you saying it's the Democrats fault that some voters are uninformed? How do you suggest they remedy this? It was done by a court order in 2011.

  • Fields v. Smith
    In 2011, the US Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled that a Wisconsin law barring hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries for incarcerated people violated the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment.
  • Adams v. Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
    This 2011 settlement required the federal government to guarantee access to hormone therapy and other medically necessary care for transgender people in BOP custody.
are you really citing case law as a reason voters are uniformed? Again this is part of the problem.
The only thing the vast majority of the country knows, is that democrats put forward someone that was a supporter of criminals getting taxpayer money for this.
What was Harris's counter to that commercial???????
 
are you really citing case law as a reason voters are uniformed? Again this is part of the problem.
The only thing the vast majority of the country knows, is that democrats put forward someone that was a supporter of criminals getting taxpayer money for this.
What was Harris's counter to that commercial???????
No, I'm pointing out that voters are uninformed. In general the public trusts whatever aligns with own beliefs. Harris stated clearly that she would follow the law just as Trump had done during her interview. What should she have said or done?
 
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No, I'm pointing out that voters are uninformed. In general the public trusts whatever aligns with own beliefs. Harris stated clearly that she would follow the law just as Trump had done during her interview. What should she have said or done?
1. Was that commercial very effective? To voters, especially those that thought harris was given the ticket and not earned it, that was a damning video.
2. Did Harris ever do anything to patch that leak? What she should have done was said: I follow the rules but I don't believe taxpayers should be paying for those treatments. THAT IS SIMPLE......
You saying: what should she have done is the same as saying the law is correct in many voters eyes..... AGAIN that is the problem. Perception is reality and the perception is that harris was happy to pay for those treatments. When you don't denounce the law you are in effect endorsing it. Do you think any voter in this country thought trump was ok with that law?
 
No, I'm pointing out that voters are uninformed. In general the public trusts whatever aligns with own beliefs. Harris stated clearly that she would follow the law just as Trump had done during her interview. What should she have said or done?
The thing is, Trump voters DO NOT CARE. Hell, we refute this nonsense on here daily and it doesn't change a single vote. You could show proof that Trump supervised personally a sex change operation in prison, and people like abby and northern would still vote for him. "Those are necessary surgeries."
 
The thing is, Trump voters DO NOT CARE. Hell, we refute this nonsense on here daily and it doesn't change a single vote. You could show proof that Trump supervised personally a sex change operation in prison, and people like abby and northern would still vote for him. "Those are necessary surgeries."
correct and for him, people would use it to show that trump does, in fact, follow the laws even if he doesn't like them.
Which is completely hypocritical because they wouldn't use the same logic for Harris. The republican party has turned into the hypocritical party..
 
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It doesn't matter if you know it, I know it, and go hawks knows it......That broad brush was never refuted and the "painting" becomes reality for the majority of the people that decided this election.

1. Was that commercial very effective? To voters, especially those that thought harris was given the ticket and not earned it, that was a damning video.
2. Did Harris ever do anything to patch that leak? What she should have done was said: I follow the rules but I don't believe taxpayers should be paying for those treatments. THAT IS SIMPLE......
You saying: what should she have done is the same as saying the law is correct in many voters eyes..... AGAIN that is the problem. Perception is reality and the perception is that harris was happy to pay for those treatments. When you don't denounce the law you are in effect endorsing it. Do you think any voter in this country thought trump was ok with that law?
Partly due to that ad coming in relatively late; but also the Harris campaign tried to create an ad to counter that, but couldn’t create one in the time available that’d be effective. 30 sec bits don’t do well when dealing with nuance.

Similar thing happened on the economic message. Voters just see high grocery prices and believed trumps message that the economy was a wreck, and didn’t listen/believe Biden/Harris campaigns when they tried to explain that.
 
11 pages in and were still at odds over the most basic of common sense issues.

Men should not be in women's spaces.
 
1. Was that commercial very effective? To voters, especially those that thought harris was given the ticket and not earned it, that was a damning video.
2. Did Harris ever do anything to patch that leak? What she should have done was said: I follow the rules but I don't believe taxpayers should be paying for those treatments. THAT IS SIMPLE......
You saying: what should she have done is the same as saying the law is correct in many voters eyes..... AGAIN that is the problem. Perception is reality and the perception is that harris was happy to pay for those treatments. When you don't denounce the law you are in effect endorsing it. Do you think any voter in this country thought trump was ok with that law?
Nothing Harris could have said or done regarding transgender prisoners would have changed a single vote. The anti-trans vote is clearly with the Republicans regardless of laws. I bet the law providing transgender treatment in prisons doesn't change while Trump is President either.
 
The solution has always been: replace group bathrooms with one-person-at-a-time bathrooms.

Whose idea was group bathrooms in the first place? Probably perverts and pedophiles.

Sure, group bathrooms are cheaper to build. And yeah, individual bathrooms would be hard to manage for large venues like sports stadia. But not so much for small or roomy venues.
 
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