Except he was terminated for his actions on October 16, 23, and 26 - at least according to the opinion.I’d say it’s accurate as to how the situation stood when he was terminated…
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Except he was terminated for his actions on October 16, 23, and 26 - at least according to the opinion.I’d say it’s accurate as to how the situation stood when he was terminated…
What was different on the 16th….player’s joined him I assume.Except he was terminated for his actions on October 16, 23, and 26 - at least according to the opinion.
Kirk Ferentz tells the Hawkeyes summer workouts are voluntary… totally fine if they don’t show up. Won’t have anything to do with playing time!Just to clarify, do you disagree that when a coach conducts any voluntary activity, it is inherently coercive?
Back to the original story. Were any players impacted by not participating and didn’t play or played less?Kirk Ferentz tells the Hawkeyes summer workouts are voluntary… totally fine if they don’t show up. Won’t have anything to do with playing time!
And anyone who wants to pray with him.Satanic guy should be allowed to pray by himself on the field after the game.....
I agree 100% but like someone said earlier, there will be some Karen's throw a fit and give them all the attention they're looking for.And anyone who wants to pray with him.
Back to the original story. Were any players impacted by not participating and didn’t play or played less?
Right. That's the point I was going to make. Also didn't read entire thread.Haven't read the entire thread, so maybe this was already covered. I get the concept of equal representation. If there was a Jewish player or a Muslim coach on the team who wanted to lead a prayer in his faith, go for it. I support your right to free religious expression.
But this guy has zero affiliation with the team, yes? Shouldn't you at least have to be in some way a part of the team in order to be allowed to lead a prayer? I mean, by that logic, if I want to lead the UCLA cheerleaders in a prayer before a game, the university has to let me. Right?
This point is exactly what is wrong with the decision. In what school district is a football coach immediately released of responsibility when the final horn sounds? None. Coaches are the last persons leaving the building postgame after the locker rooms are empty and the parking lots have cleared. If that is what the majority is hanging their opinion on, they’re mistaken and frankly unaware of the real world they live in and the actual responsibilities that school coaches take on.This is factually incorrect.
He IS responsible for the students "after the games are over".
Can he just leave kids at the away games "off the bus", because his duty ends when the clock expires?
Of course not. Yet another example of SC justices playing fast and loose with facts. Just like Thomas claiming "Covid vaccines come from aborted fetuses" in his ruling in that case.
A Court that is distanced from facts is not a Court that is ruling with impartiality.
What’s divisive about praying by oneself? And giving inspirational speeches to people who are voluntarily listening? The reaction is a lot more divisive than the initial action.IMO it really doesn't matter if they would or wouldn't have playing time impacted. This is a team game at a public institution and the football program belongs to the athletes ultimately. The adult leader knowingly decided to introduce something potentially divisive to his program for no apparent material benefit to the program. It should almost be considered professional malpractice if one's capacity for developing strategies for team building is made a priority for a coach's skillset. He should be probably coaching division 3 somewhere instead of at a public HS.
I was extremely silent when 40,000 Muslims prayed at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minnesomalia just 4 days ago. (I wasn't anywhere near Downtown as it turns out I'm allergic to crime infested Liberal Shitholes)If EVERYONE is required to maintain a "moment of silence" while led in Christian prayer, then they will be required to maintain the same "moment of silence" for any other religion's prayer.
Anything else is government favoring one religion over another.
I know many holier than thou football coaches that may not play kids. This is precisely the problem this creates.I think anyone should be allowed to pray by themselves after a game....if people want to join them. Fine.
Team prayers ect shouldn't be allowed.
There's a fine line and I don't think the SC crossed it with their ruling.
It's how this new Court rolls.This point is exactly what is wrong with the decision
You want a cookie or something?I was extremely silent when 40,000 Muslims prayed at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minnesomalia just 4 days ago
SureAnd anyone who wants to pray with him.
If he was pushing his religious views in school I’d agree with you….he wasn’t IMO. He was praying…I know many holier than thou football coaches that may not play kids. This is precisely the problem this creates.
would you be happy with teachers pushing their religious views in school and having kids wonder if their grades depend on playing along.
Only how people view it makes it a spectacle. Why is it so offensive to some?If this coach wants to “pray by himself” after games, why does he feel the need to go to midfield and make a public spectacle of it?
He's pushing them AT A SCHOOL FUNCTION. Where he is STILL responsible for the students ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.Sure
If he was pushing his religious views in school I’d agree with you
How many kids you seen leave. I’ve coached over 25 years too and haven’t seen it.Been doing it and witnessing it for 25 years. As a head coach and assistant coach, in the Bible Belt South I’ve never been part of one single conversation regarding who was not or was praying or what needs to be done about it. Every public coach knows about the 2nd amendment and separation of church and state. And while it may not prevent them from praying on their own, I’ve never seen anyone forced or made to feel left out for not participating. Because again…no one has ever noticed.
He wasn’t pushing anything. They voluntarily joined. Players asked other players to join including opponents. Two players initially felt uncomfortable, one agnostic and one non-believer, they both later became captains on the team.He's pushing them AT A SCHOOL FUNCTION. Where he is STILL responsible for the students ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
100%IMO it really doesn't matter if they would or wouldn't have playing time impacted. This is a team game at a public institution and the football program belongs to the athletes ultimately. The adult leader knowingly decided to introduce something potentially divisive to his program for no apparent material benefit to the program. It should almost be considered professional malpractice if one's capacity for developing strategies for team building is made a priority for a coach's skillset. He should be probably coaching division 3 somewhere instead of at a public HS.
Imagine Muslims praying at an organized religious celebration.I was extremely silent when 40,000 Muslims prayed at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minnesomalia just 4 days ago. (I wasn't anywhere near Downtown as it turns out I'm allergic to crime infested Liberal Shitholes)
Happy now?
In a stadium owned by the government?Imagine Muslims praying at an organized religious celebration.
So are public school grounds. A football game is not an organized religious event.In a stadium owned by the government?
What’s divisive about praying by oneself? And giving inspirational speeches to people who are voluntarily listening? The reaction is a lot more divisive than the initial action.
Leave because of prayer? Zero. On field Prayer has had met ZERO effect and has caused zero drama my entire career.How many kids you seen leave. I’ve coached over 25 years too and haven’t seen it.
Back to the original story. Were any players impacted by not participating and didn’t play or played less?
Yes, this is the total point. Guy is a douche bag Christian. Praying in the center of the field is as much an activist move as the satan guy asking to pray.If this coach wants to “pray by himself” after games, why does he feel the need to go to midfield and make a public spectacle of it?
I really don't think you read that closely. The awful she mentioned was about some of the SC rulings and their general thought processesWhat’s awful about satanic prayer?
This cartoon probably describes the situation as well as any. As another poster pointed out early on, it's really a question of whether the football field is public forum, not whether the guy can pray in public to whoever he wants. If he were an assistant coach or school administrator, or even a parent of a kid on the team I can't imagine there'd be a problem here.
He's pushing them AT A SCHOOL FUNCTION. Where he is STILL responsible for the students ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
The fact you made these 2 posts in the same thread is awesome.It's how this new Court rolls.
They just make up whatever facts they need to support their pre-conceived decisions.
Nope, he can do it at the same exact time as the guy in Colorado or whatever insisted he be able to do his Christian prayer.
As can the Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Zorastarians, Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Mormons or any other denomination.
I think it's stupid and unconstitutional, but that's our SCOTUS.
The fact you don't understand why it's concerning is awesomely concerning.The fact you made these 2 posts in the same thread is awesome.