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Not even going to guess that this is gambling related....
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Not even going to guess that this is gambling related....
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Ahron Ulis: Nebraska gathering evidence "on a situation." Allegedly placed 1,850 wagers (at least 1 Iowa Game) totaling $34,800 & Tampered w/ Records
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There's 26 total Iowa male student athletes being investigated.
* 4 came from Baseball
* 1 so far has come from Football (Noah Shannon)
The Wrestling, Men's basketball and Men's track & field programs are also involved, of course.
If I'm correct, the only scholarship player that was not allowed to be interviewed during the 2 media chances was.....wait for it, Riley Mulvey. Hope he wasn't the IOWA BASKETBALL PLAYER THAT WAS IMPLAMENTED IN IOWA'S GAMBLING SCANDEL.
Really will be disappointed if it's him as I'm hoping he sees considerable playing time this year.
Really will be disappointed if it's him as I'm hoping he sees considerable playing time this year.
Ulis was a good teammate and a better player than many thought. He was probably the toughest guard on the team. Hope he isn't in serious trouble.
You slaughtered the word implicated in your post. And no, Mulvey will not be getting significant time this year, very slow feet.
Footspeed is probably his best attribute.
It's everything else that's lacking.
But i agree there's no way he's getting pt this year if he couldn't get on the court last year.
Yes, Mulvey moves pretty well. I think his feet are fine.
It's just that a lot of times he doesn't seem to have a clue what's happening on the court. That will really slow a player down.
Hopefully the games slows down for Riley this year and he can play some productive minutes here and there
Thanks for pointing that out to me, lately even my wife has noticed that I have not been myself....as for my original post it's nice to know that it was not Riley, but evidently according to some, it was Ulis that was the perpetrator in the continuing saga of the Iowa gambling investigation. Oh well, it's Nebraska's problem now.
Regarding the gambling scandal - what is the likely punishment for these players?
Also, is it mostly because they were under 21?
Also, is it mostly because they were under 21?
The new NCAA guidelines are a sliding scale based off of how many bets were placed and how much money was gambled, so it's unknown how long suspensions will be until they announce the total bets and money.
There is reporting out there right now about the under 21 year olds due to there being public record of criminal charges. The NCAA bans all gambling, regardless of age, but I assume we will not hear about the players who aren't facing criminal charges until the NCAA announces their penalties much later in this process.
A story from the Des Moines Register is linked at the end of this post. Some excerpts follow. Note this portion of the article (there have been rumors that there were bets placed on the Iowa women as they made their run to the National Championship).
According to NCAA guidelines, which are in effect for violations reported on or after May 2, 2023:
* Hawkeye players' college eligibility would be in jeopardy if they bet on Iowa games (in any sport).
* Football players could lose half a season if they bet on any college football contests.
* For other wagering activity, they would face a loss of:
30% of the season if they wagered more than $800,
20% of the season if they wagered between $501 and $800,
10% of the season for $201 to $500,
and gambling education (no games missed) for $200 or less.
The Full Story:
Kirk Ferentz: 'Not a large number' of Iowa football players in sports gambling investigation
Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz said that there are “not a large number” Iowa football players involved in the NCAA’s investigation into sports gambling.
www.hawkcentral.com
Unless I missed something, the number of bets placed doesn't matter. According to the new NCAA guidelines (which follow), what matters is the cumulative dollar value of the wagers (ie, if an athlete wagered between $501 and $800, it doesn't matter if he placed 1 bet, 10 bets, or 20 bets; the punishment is loss of 20% of a season of eligibility plus rules and prevention education).
This was the full announcement from the NCAA on June 28 on the rules changes:
NCAA DI Council approves changes to reinstatement guidelines for sports wagering violations
June 28, 2023
2:30 pm
The Division I Legislative Committee on Tuesday ratified a Division I Committee on Student Athlete Reinstatement decision to amend guidelines for reinstating the eligibility of student-athletes who commit violations relating to sports wagering. The Division I Council was briefed on those new guidelines during its meeting this week in Indianapolis.
For all wagering-related violations reported on or after May 2, the following guidelines will apply:
- Student-athletes who engage in activities to influence the outcomes of their own games or knowingly provide information to individuals involved in sports betting activities will potentially face permanent loss of collegiate eligibility in all sports. This would also apply to student-athletes who wager on their own games or on other sports at their own schools.
- If a student-athlete wagers on their own sport at another school, education on sports wagering rules and prevention will be required as a condition of reinstatement, and the loss of 50% of one season of eligibility will be considered.
- For all other wagering-related violations (e.g., wagering on professional sports), cumulative dollar value of the wagers will be taken into consideration with the following terms for reinstatement:
- $200 or less: sports wagering rules and prevention education.
- $201-$500: loss of 10% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
- $501-$800: loss of 20% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
- Greater than $800: loss of 30% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
"These new guidelines modernize penalties for college athletes at a time when sports wagering has been legalized in dozens of states and is easily accessible nationwide with online betting platforms," said Alex Ricker-Gilbert, athletics director at Jacksonville and chair of the DI Legislative Committee. "While sports wagering by college athletes is still a concern — particularly as we remain committed to preserving the integrity of competition in college sports — consideration of mitigating factors is appropriate as staff prescribe penalties for young people who have made mistakes in this space."
Previous reinstatement guidelines, which were implemented prior to the broader legalization of sports wagering, stipulated that in most cases, student-athletes who wagered on sports at any level would lose one full season of collegiate eligibility.
The council directed the national office to continue to explore issues around rules education and integrity monitoring and requested additional updates on these topics.
DI approves changes to reinstatement guidelines for sports wagering violations - NCAA.org
The Division I Legislative Committee on Tuesday ratified a Division I Committee on Student Athlete Reinstatement decision to amend guidelines for reinstating the
www.ncaa.org
Harsh.A story from the Des Moines Register is linked at the end of this post. Some excerpts follow. Note this portion of the article (there have been rumors that there were bets placed on the Iowa women as they made their run to the National Championship).
According to NCAA guidelines, which are in effect for violations reported on or after May 2, 2023:
* Hawkeye players' college eligibility would be in jeopardy if they bet on Iowa games (in any sport).
* Football players could lose half a season if they bet on any college football contests.
* For other wagering activity, they would face a loss of:
30% of the season if they wagered more than $800,
20% of the season if they wagered between $501 and $800,
10% of the season for $201 to $500,
and gambling education (no games missed) for $200 or less.
The Full Story:
Kirk Ferentz: 'Not a large number' of Iowa football players in sports gambling investigation
Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz said that there are “not a large number” Iowa football players involved in the NCAA’s investigation into sports gambling.www.hawkcentral.com
A player can fail drug tests without any punishment, right?
Harsh.
A player can fail drug tests without any punishment, right?
From page 14 (link at end of post):
8.2.9.1. In the event of a positive sample B finding, the testing agency will contact the director of athletics and/or their designee at the applicable institution and the institution shall subsequently notify the student-athlete of the finding, declare the student-athlete ineligible, withhold the student-athlete from all intercollegiate competition and ensure the appropriate implementation of all other related NCAA eligibility procedures.
8.3. Appeals. The institution shall notify the student athlete of the right to appeal a positive sample B finding. Within two business days of the institution’s receipt of the positive sample B findings, its director of athletics and/or their designee must, upon request by the student-athlete, notify the NCAA-designated drug-testing agency of the student-athlete’s intent to appeal. The appeal request will be reviewed and an outcome will be determined by CSMAS. The student athlete will remain ineligible pending the outcome of the appeal.
Appeal hearings will be scheduled as soon as practicable, taking into consideration impending dates of competition and other relevant NCAA, institution and student-athlete scheduling factors provided all required documentation as outlined in the Drug-Testing Appeals Process has been properly submitted.
The NCAA Drug Testing Program, 2022-23:
Once an athlete fails the test, the school/AD doesn't have much of a choice but to "declare the student-athlete ineligible, withhold the student-athlete from all intercollegiate competition and ensure the appropriate implementation of all other related NCAA eligibility procedures."
Ulis allegedly bet over 34,800 in aggregate.
www.thegazette.com
Former Hawkeye Ahron Ulis allegedly placed almost 2,000 sports wagers
Former University of Iowa basketball player Ahron Ulis faces a tampering with records charge amid the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation’s probe into sports gambling at Iowa and Iowa State.
www.thegazette.com
Rumor on Gopher board is that if a player failed a drug test and the test was taken at a hospital, it didn't count as a failed drug rest
Is Fleck that smart? I may have to modify my opinion of the Fleckster.
This is so incredibly stupid that this just involves Iowa and Iowa State.
He must have made some decent winnings early on, or you'd have to wonder where he got 35K?
Again, yes it sucks, BUT just who else would it involve. To this point this investigation was the baby of the DCI, Division of Criminal Investigation in Iowa. It wasn't initiated by the NCAA. What other states decide to start their own investigations, (if any want to head down that rabbit hole), remains to be seen.
yikesUlis allegedly bet over 34,800 in aggregate.
Former Hawkeye Ahron Ulis allegedly placed almost 2,000 sports wagers
Former University of Iowa basketball player Ahron Ulis faces a tampering with records charge amid the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation’s probe into sports gambling at Iowa and Iowa State.
It's incredibly stupid any of these idiots thought this was acceptable in ANY way, shape, or form.
But it's the era of ME.
All about what I want to do with no repercussions.
makes me sick that he allegedly bet on an Iowa men's basketball game
True. It certainly opens the door to questions about any player (especially one with the ball in their hands a lot), and what they might do to sway the outcome in either direction.
He transferred to Nebraska but you can't run from the Law. Probably good Aron moved on.
Iowa’s criminal investigation division has released the full list of 7 current and former Iowa and Iowa State student-athletes charged as a result of its investigation into illegal sports betting.
As DCI notes, its investigation is ongoing.
As DCI notes, its investigation is ongoing.
Looks like he'll be moving on from Lincoln very shortly. His college basketball career is essentially over.
Yeah it's amazing how many times I've seen folks talking about the amount of money as if each player lost that amount. I don't gamble, but I have friends that do small amounts on just about every single sporting event. I asked a buddy to look at his account last night to see how much he had gambled this year and he had wagered a total of 40K already for the year and he had made a total profit of about $600. I think he told me he put in an initial $250 deposit and has never cashed it out.
Was just about to say this.
These kids were most likely betting very small amounts of money over and over and not winning or losing much in total.
He was charged, not convicted. Personally, I wasn't looking forward to facing him this year, he had some solid games last year for us.
Criminally, yes, he has been charged and not convicted.
He's looking at a permanent loss of NCAA eligibility, however based on these new NCAA guidelines & what Chad Leistikow of the Register tweeted out this afternoon. As you can see, Chad wrote that he is "likely facing permanent loss of NCAA eligibility."
The new NCAA Guidelines:
- Student-athletes who engage in activities to influence the outcomes of their own games or knowingly provide information to individuals involved in sports betting activities will potentially face permanent loss of collegiate eligibility in all sports. This would also apply to student-athletes who wager on their own games or on other sports at their own schools.
- If a student-athlete wagers on their own sport at another school, education on sports wagering rules and prevention will be required as a condition of reinstatement, and the loss of 50% of one season of eligibility will be considered.
- For all other wagering-related violations (e.g., wagering on professional sports), cumulative dollar value of the wagers will be taken into consideration with the following terms for reinstatement:
- $200 or less: sports wagering rules and prevention education.
- $201-$500: loss of 10% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
- $501-$800: loss of 20% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
- Greater than $800: loss of 30% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
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This has been my thought from the beginning. Absolutely no chance multiple athletes from numerous colleges aren’t doing this exact thing.
Yeah you’re not wrong, but it doesn’t really pertain to his statement. They were idiots to do it, but zero chance there aren’t way more athletes out there at other colleges that were doing it as well. After this all hit, they probably decided it was a good time to quit tho.
