Brands seems pretty sure since he just said like yesterday that Marinelli is our #1 guy. He seems pretty sure, you pick your own.
Anyone giving updates tonight?
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Pretty sure there is no need to call Davies names. Also it is not socially acceptable to use that term anymore. It is offensive
We have evidence that Marinelli is better. Where’s the evidence that Young is better?
Why don't you ask the guy that asked the question? Is this Quoting thing too difficult for you?
Haha! Tough last name for the kid. Great win for Holloway though.
Sign of the times. I’m sure he is proud to be part Fagg.
Alex has a better overall resume
Alex has the head to head advantage
Alex has finished higher than him in the tournaments they were both entered in
How dare you confuse people on this board with facts!
Odd way to do that IMO, but Okie Dokie.
Good to see Gunther and Wilcke putting some points on the board, and Big Sam having a short night, easier on the knees....
I don’t know what’s odd about adding a supporting point. Had I started with “Get a clue...” that would be different.
Ok, I see a 1 point win in an open last year for Marinelli. Also, at Midlands Marinelli beat the CSUB guy that Young split with. Am I missing anything?
Young also beat Fogarty worse, and didn’t get decked by Valencia like Marinelli did.
Marinelli was a hair better last year, do we know that is still the case?
Small crowd. TG break, almost no students, weak opponent, and terrible weather. OK, you can scratch the last reason (beautiful night, around 50 degrees), but plenty of reasons for a small crowd for this one. There were still some pretty big roars — mainly after Stick’s stick.
C’mon people, do we have documented evidence that everybody can see that clearly shows Marinelli is the Guy at 165...I mean other than Brands saying so two days ago.
I didn’t ask if he’s the guy, I asked if he’s better. If he is, all the evidence says it’s by a razor thin margin, which is not a great sign for a hope of an AA at this weight.
I gave 2 examples of common opponents where Young performed better. As I said, at best it’s razor close and Marinelli is just slightly better.
Wrestlestat had us winning 19-13...it also had Walsh winning by major last night over Young.
McFadden is ranked 5th and Marinelli owns him in freestyle (not even Marinellis thing). I think Alex can beat anybody except PSU, Mich, and Illinois at that weight.
That’s nice, but unproven at this point. Absolutely steamrolled by Valencia last year.
I’m not saying Marinelli isn’t better, but think the difference between the two is minimal. I need more evidence to think Marinelli is a substantial improvement. Right now Marinelli is a 12-20 guy imo. Just haven’t seen it yet. Hope I’m wrong.
That’s right...you haven’t seen it yet so how can you make an informed opinion either way? Brands has seen it...everyday. He has emphatically said Bull is the guy.
You like to dwell on his loss to Valencia last year as proof that Alex isn’t elite. Valencia caught him in a cradle very early and pinned him. Credit to Valencia, but that tells us very little. Chance that he cradles Alex again? Very slim. Let’s see him go 7 hard minutes with Alex. I think that’s a totally different match.
I’m all for realism, but I don’t get fans using the negative as their default position. Whatever trips your trigger. Some of us prefer to take a positive approach.
I just asked a question. The only opinion I’ve made is that the two are very close and Marinelli is slightly better.
I think the hasn't seen it yet is a BIG factor in the wrestlestat info as well. I believe he puts more weight into current year results.
Actually you started out openly questioning why Marinelli is better. After supporting evidence was presented you softened your stance.
Well, thanks for the supporting point I guess. But if it we're me, I'd Quote the guy who posed the question, and "add" the info. Whatever works for you, or doesn't.
You don't hope you're wrong. You're not a hawk fan. You're just a troll. Right now Young is somewhere between 5-12 and the Bull is better period. 12-20? You're out of your mind! 4-8 is more like it and it's obvious.
Me thinks you were headed down a path then went “oh shit” and had to backtrack. Otherwise there wouldn’t be reason to ask the question.
