I thought when he was here we had some pretty good WR. We had McNutt, DJK, and others. Now look at our current roster of WR, we are struggling at that position.
Are you confident Kirk & Co. can coach up all these 2 & 3* recruits?
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I thought when he was here we had some pretty good WR. We had McNutt, DJK, and others. Now look at our current roster of WR, we are struggling at that position.
How many years are you counting backwards?
Ferentz has a 19-21 in B1G play over the past 5 years and barely has a winning record overall during that same time.
In the event you've been Rumpelstiltskin, which I'm guessing you've been, we haven't demonstrated for quite some time we can win at a high level with 2-star recruits.
My point is, nothing he did at Iowa helped him land a decent job. I don't know the "internal" reasons on why, but it is obvious, he has had some issues when trying to gain high level employment. Heading to the CFL, getting fired mid season from that job, and now a staffer in a non coaching role at Michigan. His "profile" has dropped since he was told to seek a different employer by KF.
From your mouth to God's ears.......................... or however that little statement goes!
For sure that's a factor, but Iowa's QB situation isn't and hasn't been terrible. It's been adequate to win Football games, but you need help in all 3 phases, and Iowa's traditionally great teams are rock solid on Defense and Special Teams.
You also can't win using fullbacks in the tailback position for multiple years, or using swimmers and divers as punters and punt returners...............................
Excellent point, although I think you're overlooking one important factor.... These early commitments are Plan A kids that KF has been evaluating without the pressure to offer. He obviously saw skills/frame that he knows from experience can translate to Big Ten football. Big difference between a low-star Plan A in July and a low-star fall-back commitment in January after missing on some kids.
You're correct that offers say a hell of a lot more about potential than stars or rankings (other coaches get paid to evaluate kids, too), but I've learned that Plan A kids should always get the benefit of the doubt.
Agreed KF thinks he is an NFL farm team and player development his ultimate goal, not winning games. So, we continue to be stuck in average, sadly:-( As many as he coaches up he coaches down QB's.
Wow MattFoleyHawk, I actually agree with you for once! I see what the staff is doing and from my perspective I think it's a good approach. The approach appears to eliminate a portion of the tier offering system (offer primary targets first, then secondary targets, then tertiary targets) and focuses more on regional talent. It seems the reasoning is two-fold: 1) Retention - as they are from B1G states and are either close to home or will travel close to home for games during their career they are less likely to leave. As a result Iowa will get more of a chance to develop them. 2) Quality upgrade - It's not to say that tertiary targets are bad, but Iowa historically has the tendency to rely on these type of recruits near the end of the recruiting period. Sometimes this turns out great, but many times nothing seems to pan out and can be used to explain why Iowa has so many walk-on starters. Offering your secondary targets along with your primary eliminates the likelyhood of having to rely on tertiary targets to fill out a class.
No. Long gone are the days when we had a significant strength and conditioning advantage along with some great assistant coaches. The playing field has evened out with S&C and our best coaches have been gone for years.
Why do some obsess over NFL draftees at the price of losing. Get your priorities in order. Recruit top flight players. Successful teams win with top flight players. Hire coaches who know how to and will!!!!!
How successful you are at "coaching up" less heralded recruits is dependent upon your expectations. A good coach can coach up a team full of 2-3 Star recruits to be bowl eligible, competitive in games against higher ranked teams with an occasional upset, and be in the conversation for a conference title.
It is difficult to actually win a conference title when there are teams with more talent and as good or better coaching. Forget the National Championship barring some kind of miracle everything works to your advantage season.
Also having 2-3 top draft picks from a college team full of average college talent look so oodles when talking about having players from the team getting drafted or having NFL talent on the team, but doesn't equate to championship caliber teams.
A program like Iowa with the recruiting base will always have to be able to "coach up players", but recruiting "enough" top talent is the key to being a true championship contender. But that describes most college teams as well.
It is difficult to actually win a conference title when there are teams with more talent and as good or better coaching. Forget the National Championship barring some kind of miracle everything works to your advantage season.
Also having 2-3 top draft picks from a college team full of average college talent look so oodles when talking about having players from the team getting drafted or having NFL talent on the team, but doesn't equate to championship caliber teams.
A program like Iowa with the recruiting base will always have to be able to "coach up players", but recruiting "enough" top talent is the key to being a true championship contender. But that describes most college teams as well.
The coaches who "coached up" are gone? We have what 7 new coaches who have proved nothing! Love the optimism, but I would be careful.... This current staff has not proved they can do anything?
Bingo!! and I think the qb preparation and coaching has been subpar. Having said that the wr recruiting has been below average which has hurt our qb play. Iam optimistic with some talent in the pipeline with the likes of CJ, Wieggers, Boyle/Cook. can't wait to see some young wr's emerge like Scheel, Ogwo, Smith etc.
Yeah skill position players is the area that has hurt Iowa the most the past few years. When you don't have an elite QB you need an elite RB, Iowa has had neither. I think Rudock would have done fine if they had a RB that was actually elite. Add that to the fact that WR play has been down as well except for Smith last year. Look at Iowa's last really good teams and you will find talent at the skill positions.
2008- Greene, Hampton, Stanzi, DJK, 3 future NFL TE's in Moeaki, Reisner and Myers.
2009- Wegher, DJK, Stanzi, McNutt, Moeaki, , and Adam Robinson wasn't elite but he is much better than Weisman and Canzeri.
I didn't think or WR's were that bad....JR just couldn't get the ball to them! CJ seemed to be able to find open receivers down field? He didn't always complete the pass, but he found them. All you had to do was hit JR once and he had happy feet the rest of the game.
